Why Hydro Kicks Dirt's Ass ?

Lastly, people who grow hydroponically have an equipment investment to protect with their opinion. Hard to spend thousands on a large setup only to later find out it's not the best tasting way to grow. So they insist it is with no substantial proof to back it up.

Seriously, find me the gas spectrometer testing that says buds grown hydroponically are more potent that the same genetics grown organically. Everyone in med states tests their meds now, so this should be an easy one. I am genuinely curious if this has ever been studied.

smokinrav said:

Lastly, people who grow hydroponically have an equipment investment to protect with their opinion. Hard to spend thousands on a large setup only to later find out it's not the best tasting way to grow. So they insist it is with no substantial proof to back it up.

Seriously, find me the gas spectrometer testing that says buds grown hydroponically are more potent that the same genetics grown organically. Everyone in med states tests their meds now, so this should be an easy one. I am genuinely curious if this has ever been studied.

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Me too, that's a good point..look at the post its a fuct world out also covers the myth about ” organic” grows

I am reffering to growing and not the final product as I have tasted some of the finest dirt grown weed that can compete with there hydro grown bretheren any and every day.

Here is my quick three reasons

• Dirt is labour intensive (potting, preparing soil, soil removal); growing more than 25 plants and it takes time to move all the material and restart your operation. Hydro on the other hand, a sizable operation (25+ plants) can be harvested, sanitized, and back in operation in just a few hours.
• Hydro gets to the finish line faster
• Hydro hands over the controls to the grower, no medium as a buffer and if problems arise there is always the immediate flush (DUMP)

Now there are cons, again my quick three:

• Electricity is a must, unless you gonna blow bubbles with a straw through your rez.
• Timer, meters, and such get pricey
• Gets to the finish line later

Now Hydro (InOrganic vs Organics ) is something that needs to be discussed.

regards,

I dont care what people say.... Ive done it all 3 ways.... Coco is the shit.... I get the best quality, and best yeild... You are paying more for hydro why?? Well, for starters, your not getting half of the yeild you get in Coco.... Does that make the smoke better in hydro, and less potent from coco? NO... It is alot easier to grow hydro, and takes less care/labor.... but you wont get anywhere near the amount of bud you would if you did it in Coco... However, using Coco requires doing some work... In the end... Im getting the same quality and a BETTER taste (personally I think Hydro tastes like crap compared to soil or coco) with WAAAAY more of a yeild... Im getting like a lb and a quarter per 1000 watts in Coco, Im getting just over HALF of that in Hydro...

potency is not affected, but terpene profiles are way up, in dirt. for the record, I grow in hydro rocks, flood/drain, both pharma grade vitamins/nutrients and organic reservoirs x 8. I love hydro. once its mastered, planning, consistency,repeatability,cost, labor, failures etc are a thing of the past. I learned everything I had to know, while cleaning up after my first flood. today its 95% automated, and could be operated for a week without attention, of course it gets my full time attention though. last failure was a 20$ pump in a reservoir, two days would seriously hurt the plant, luckily there is more than one pump in each reservoir, now

jayfury said:

I dont care what people say.... Ive done it all 3 ways.... Coco is the shit.... I get the best quality, and best yeild... You are paying more for hydro why?? Well, for starters, your not getting half of the yeild you get in Coco.... Does that make the smoke better in hydro, and less potent from coco? NO... It is alot easier to grow hydro, and takes less care/labor.... but you wont get anywhere near the amount of bud you would if you did it in Coco... However, using Coco requires doing some work... In the end... Im getting the same quality and a BETTER taste (personally I think Hydro tastes like crap compared to soil or coco) with WAAAAY more of a yeild... Im getting like a lb and a quarter per 1000 watts in Coco, Im getting just over HALF of that in Hydro...

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Coco huh? Interesting...how many plants under that 1000w? Do you have any pics? I dont know much about coco to be honest, but id like to

pharmacoping said:

potency is not affected, but terpene profiles are way up, in dirt. for the record, I grow in hydro rocks, flood/drain, both pharma grade vitamins/nutrients and organic reservoirs x 8. I love hydro. once its mastered, planning, consistency,repeatability,cost, labor, failures etc are a thing of the past. I learned everything I had to know, while cleaning up after my first flood. today its 95% automated, and could be operated for a week without attention, of course it gets my full time attention though. last failure was a 20$ pump in a reservoir, two days would seriously hurt the plant, luckily there is more than one pump in each reservoir, now

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Nice set up...I run the same system....

jayfury said:

I dont care what people say.... Ive done it all 3 ways.... Coco is the shit.... I get the best quality, and best yeild... You are paying more for hydro why?? Well, for starters, your not getting half of the yeild you get in Coco.... Does that make the smoke better in hydro, and less potent from coco? NO... It is alot easier to grow hydro, and takes less care/labor.... but you wont get anywhere near the amount of bud you would if you did it in Coco... However, using Coco requires doing some work... In the end... Im getting the same quality and a BETTER taste (personally I think Hydro tastes like crap compared to soil or coco) with WAAAAY more of a yeild... Im getting like a lb and a quarter per 1000 watts in Coco, Im getting just over HALF of that in Hydro...

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when you hand water/feed your coco, it's coco, and when you put an automatic waterer/feeder dripping into it, it becomes hydro, using coco as a substrate, like sand, pebbles, bark, wood chips, clay rocks, etc. hydroponic is growing soiless plants, and coco is not soil. I would venture to say that eye balling your feed/water worked out better than constantly trying to adjust your reservoir ph? hydro grows me 6 foot trees that rival outside harvest weights in my state. there are other variables suffering in your hydro grow most likely. automation didnt do it.

jayfury said:

I dont care what people say.... Ive done it all 3 ways.... Coco is the shit.... I get the best quality, and best yeild... You are paying more for hydro why?? Well, for starters, your not getting half of the yeild you get in Coco.... Does that make the smoke better in hydro, and less potent from coco? NO... It is alot easier to grow hydro, and takes less care/labor.... but you wont get anywhere near the amount of bud you would if you did it in Coco... However, using Coco requires doing some work... In the end... Im getting the same quality and a BETTER taste (personally I think Hydro tastes like crap compared to soil or coco) with WAAAAY more of a yeild... Im getting like a lb and a quarter per 1000 watts in Coco, Im getting just over HALF of that in Hydro...

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I don't understand why your yield would differ in the end from hydro to coco, I have not tried coco yet (but it is on the list) but I would assume my yields would be comparable to other methods.

I have grow in soil, and for reasons I mentioned above and more I find a hydro set up much more easily managed than soil, my product (quantity and quality) has always been comparable despite the growing medium or method.

regards,

pharmacoping said:

potency is not affected, but terpene profiles are way up, in dirt. for the record, I grow in hydro rocks, flood/drain, both pharma grade vitamins/nutrients and organic reservoirs x 8. I love hydro. once its mastered, planning, consistency,repeatability,cost, labor, failures etc are a thing of the past. I learned everything I had to know, while cleaning up after my first flood. today its 95% automated, and could be operated for a week without attention, of course it gets my full time attention though. last failure was a 20$ pump in a reservoir, two days would seriously hurt the plant, luckily there is more than one pump in each reservoir, now

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Well stated, grow rooms only need to flood once It is the effiency in which I can run my rooms is why I love hydro, automation is the key when FAMILY is still PRIORITY #1

Go DWC and save a coconut

regards,

ru4r34l said:

I am reffering to growing and not the final product as I have tasted some of the finest dirt grown weed that can compete with there hydro grown bretheren any and every day.

Here is my quick three reasons

• Dirt is labour intensive (potting, preparing soil, soil removal); growing more than 25 plants and it takes time to move all the material and restart your operation. Hydro on the other hand, a sizable operation (25+ plants) can be harvested, sanitized, and back in operation in just a few hours.
• Hydro gets to the finish line faster
• Hydro hands over the controls to the grower, no medium as a buffer and if problems arise there is always the immediate flush (DUMP)

Now there are cons, again my quick three:

• Electricity is a must, unless you gonna blow bubbles with a straw through your rez.
• Timer, meters, and such get pricey
• Gets to the finish line later

Now Hydro (InOrganic vs Organics ) is something that needs to be discussed.

regards,

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it is not necessary to bubble a reservoir usually, and will freak out an organic one. Air actually only enters the water as dissolved 02 when the surface is broken, not by the bubbles in the water. Return flow form a flood and drain will dissolve much more 02 than a large bubbler in four hours. I use 12 volt solar (from lights) to run small pump fountains in the res's also. Lights off from a powerfailure is critical though. It cost me a few thousand dollars(few plants) to have an auto generator installed, plus special gen ready ballasts. My cell tels me when I lose power, and I dont break a sweat now.

I'll discuss inorganic vs organic in hydro, I think its fascinating work, and organic is tough

There are no cons to hydro if done right

hands down the healthiest, most vigorous, heaviest, highest quality plants/product I have ever experienced came from a under current system. granted, many issued with this hot running set up, but once invested, it is flawless and is capable of out performing every system I've witness since 1970. expensive to perfect, but wow! chillers, big dehumidifier, c02, big ac, and pre planned plant supports are absolutely necessary with it.

mikmike said:

Soil u have a buffer. the buffer is the soil so if u make a mistake u have a buffer. With hydro there is no buffer so if u make mistake then u have made mistake the plant will show it. hydro grows bigger and bigger buds.

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Also with hydro if you do make a mistake, it's a lot easier to correct than having to run 15 to 20 gals of water thru soil.

it only takes a hydro grower one mistake to perfect their grow and learn their craft, or they throw in the towel, and get dirty

soil advantage===in apower outtage dirt buckets can be shuffled outside for light . not so easy with hydro

I have seen soil/ organic grows blow away hydro in growth speed and yield depending on strain,
hydro takes a lot of room and more power eco friendly by far NOT they pour there reseviour down the toilet when doing rez changes lots of hydro growers do what flood and drain in what 4 - 6" cups 4x8 tray litterally flowering clones
where soil growers grow more plants per area , i have seen 2000 plant grows soil
cons of hydro MOLD 99 percent of the time mold will become evident in the household guaranteed algae
90 percent of the huge grow op's busted are not doing hydro
Now just scroll in the hydro section and see those huge yields and issues most are not 1 st time hydro growers either

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I think that was enough for me

WhyitHerb said:

I have seen soil/ organic grows blow away hydro in growth speed and yield depending on strain,
hydro takes a lot of room and more power eco friendly by far NOT they pour there reseviour down the toilet when doing rez changes lots of hydro growers do what flood and drain in what 4 - 6" cups 4x8 tray litterally flowering clones
where soil growers grow more plants per area , i have seen 2000 plant grows soil
cons of hydro MOLD 99 percent of the time mold will become evident in the household guaranteed algae
90 percent of the huge grow op's busted are not doing hydro
Now just scroll in the hydro section and see those huge yields and issues most are not 1 st time hydro growers either

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If you think Hydro causes mold 99% of the time, and lots of issues I think you need to look at or find more competent hydro grows.

regards,

Hydro can be so much easier than soil, there are less variables to control manually
the main causes of harming plants is over watering and over feeding
too much newbie love kills plants ,
folks starting out or with limited experience are not sure how often to water and feed plants
at the different stages of growth, as well as taking into account container size medium used drainage, environmental conditions
all contributing to how often to feed and water with soil

with hydro these problems can be avoided from the start, never having to worry about how often to water or feed plants
a handy little ppm/EC meter that gives you all the information needed
keeping plants healthy is very easy

soil and organic growing require more patients and skill imo
more personal judgement and experience on the part of the grower is needed
i think its harder to teach this kind of judgment needed with soil growing

with hydro its easy to teach folk to follow a simple list of instructions if they stick to them, the plants will grow without problems growing can be successful with no previous experience of hydro or growing plants at all
making a mistake in soil can cause longer time to show itself, the soil needs to be leached etc, this in itself can cause more issues
making a mistake in hydro is hard to do in the first place, unless you are not paying attention
but if a mistake is made, emptying the reservoir and filling it again with fresh food is less disruptive than leaching soil
which could cause over watering during the leaching and it could remove micro nutrients from the soil that may not be replaced

peace