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Why happened? Ph imbalance?

Rosekg420

New Member
Help. I'm new! Very!This is my first and was gonna be a wonderful grow.
but something went terribly wrong.
shes in her 35th day flowering .
i flushed really well five days who. That's the second pic
now,, five days later, she's dying .first pic
im using 125w cfl.
bud candy as my nute,
maintain a temp of 70-80.
just purchased an aquarium ph meter. Run off levels are 7.6.
not sure what to do.
any advise would be appreciated.
i read you guys threads a lot!
very helpful info.
 

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fridayfishfry

Well-Known Member
This used to happen to my plants.. what i thought was maturing early. It's prob a Mg deficiency. I have since discovered Epsom Salts(MgSO4) which i now understand is standard practice. I think of getting the 6lb bag that will last an eternity as a right of passage.
 

Rosekg420

New Member
Awesome! Thank you FFF for replying. Magnesium deficiency? Is the Epsom salt something I can get at a
local store? And should I just follow the instructions and add it to my already in use nutes?
Im so disappointed. Everything was going so well.
what is your input on my high ph levels?
 

fridayfishfry

Well-Known Member
7.6 is what tap water runs at sometimes always compare to what you pour in. yea pharmacies have ES there are instruction on there for plants.something like 1tsp/gallon/ft plant every 2 weeks. in hydro use 1g/gallon
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
The problem was not pH related as the follow up pic indicates...Mag def was it.
Soil when not over feed and with some addition of a "zyme" product/AACT tea. Self pH's....

Ok, now prepare for the pH in soil argument.:cuss:
 

Rosekg420

New Member
Thanks, I have well water which doesn't need to be de chlorinated .
so regular Epsom salt like for soaking, didn't know that could be used in plants. Good to know info!
i have that already lying around the house. I'll prepare that now.
so no ph balancing then?
 

Rosekg420

New Member
Ok, now prepare for the pH in soil argument.

On no argument there! I've been reading lots and feel like I understand the ph necessities in soil.lol
just didn't realize that I could fix a mag deff with epson.
just watered with last night. Don't wanna wait to try to correct problem.
hope I dont overwater now! She is the only lady with the problem.will this mishap hurt her production badly?
 

hermex

Active Member
Your biggest, oldest sun leaves changing color doesn't always mean something is wrong, you have a lot of healthy looking foliage in those pictures. No, I wouldn't be happy with that spotting either, but drastic changes aren't my thing. Personally, I wouldn't go crushing up epsom salts just yet, if you have well balanced nutrients to begin with then you don't always have to make corrections on that end. I would, however, address your PH. If you are using city water and you aren't already setting your buckets out for a couple of days then start, it will evaporate out the harmful chlorine, if you can pick up an air pump and air stone from wherever you got the aquarium ph meter, even better. Whether you are due for nutrients or straight water, PH your final mixture to 6.8. Tap water alone around here requires very little PH down, while a nutrient mixture typically requires comparatively more PH up. Always be precise, if you are not then you can't target problems as easily or accurately.

Regarding the flush. Every other watering should be with clean, PH'd water. A medium like promix HP is good because it drains readily, preventing root rot, and allows the plant to eat off of just what you are putting in the water bucket (and your air and sunlight of course). Also, by having consistently PH'd feedings I've never tested my runoff, but never had signs of PH issues either in multiple grows. By watering with clean water until the pot runs out the bottom (I recommend smart pots for a host of reasons) you are not only cleaning buildups from the roots and allowing clean uptake of the nutrients you give, but also running a clean base through the plant: this is partially why I recommend letting your soil go pretty dry before watering (Water, dry, nutrients, dry, water, dry, nutrients, dry) If your leaves aren't sagging then your soil is not too dry, my girls are top heavy at their driest. You want everything to be taken up into the plant and then everything replaced with your next application, whether it be nutrients or water. With consistent alternating water applications I do not personally see a reason to flush anytime other than two or three waterings before harvest. At that time, yes a thorough flush where the pot runs through for an extended period of time is advisable (as well as really letting them dry out between, like saggy leaves and all. Some think that this amps resin production in an effort to protect against the dry conditions).

I hope some of this input helps, there are many worse looking plants on the site, talk her through it and she'll level out.
 

Rosekg420

New Member
It does help ALOT,
part if my problem I thnk was so much water!
i like your method of water dry nute dry! I do use well water. But still my ph was at 7.6 run off.
too high right?
well I managed to lower it by using the 2 tbs of epson salt per litter dosage.
i read that this isnt necessarily good for drenching.but is a great foliage spray and would be helpful if indeed there is a mag deff.whats your input n this?
and I love your idea of talkng her through it. I have been doing this lately. Positive vibes ya know!
thanks a bunch
 

hermex

Active Member
Too much water can be a bad thing! I've been reading so much about people PH'ing their runoff that I did it today on a group that got week two nutes, it was 5.8. What that means, I don't really know, but my girls look like business as usual. I was reading a post earlier that was talking about deficiencies and the recommendation was to flush to remove the salt buildup blocking the magnesium uptake and then to resume normal feeding with balanced nutrients. As for foliar application, well the only thing I'll ever spray on the leaves during flower is some sort of pepper spray if I get bugs or some dilute hydrogen peroxide if I get mold, but knock on wood....wet buds don't make anyone happy and I'd worry about a buildup on what I was going to smoke, but other people likely know far more about treating a magnesium deficiency than I do. Unfortunately, it can take time to see the results of what you try, so be systematic.
 

Rosekg420

New Member
I do think I may have been over zealous about the water.
but after all the advice the other day, I did do the Epsom salts as a foliage spray.
i removed the dying leaves so that I could get a better idea of what's going on. This way, if things turn for the worse, ill
notice it sooner. Today is day two with the salts, she doesn't look much better, but she doesn't look worse.
i will post pics of her when lights are back on.
as for the ph run off right now, I don't even know for sure. Like you said, too much water can be a badddd thing.
im really following your advice H when you say,,water, dry. Nute, dry.
so on my next watering I'll be sure to get a run off.
i do have soil testers though, of the few I've taken, my phosphorus is what seems to be low.
any advice on what to do about this?
 
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