thump easy
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Why do you reject the theory of evolution?
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eye exaggerate
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That is like asking if a surgeon who happens to be spiritual should suspend his logic while operating. I had a bit of a laugh there, thanks.
eye exaggerate
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10 things are written 'in stone'. The rest is still being interpreted. When you read something in your particular area of scientific study, do you understand it the way someone like Hawking (etc) would? So does that invalidate your interpretation? Should you laugh at yourself?
Nevaeh420
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What I should have said is this:
Science is the "disipline" of Atheists.
And thats true for a lot of Atheists. But Im sure some Atheists would say that that their disipline is science.
EDIT- In My opinion, science is great. I highly regard and esteem science. Without science we would still be living in the stone age. But...
Religion is the disipline of some Theists; and science is the disipline of some Atheists. Or am I wrong about this? I would hope that everyone has an appreciation for science because science has most of the truth.
~PEACE~
Guccizillaa
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Because the awesome thing about freedom of choice, is we have the freedom to choose.
Zaehet Strife
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To take in information as it is presented to me with a logical standpoint, is what i like to do most. The physics behind the way the planets move, rotate, and revolve around each other... those for example, are things that i cannot subjectively interpret. Those are ideas that are mathematically set in stone, in which no mathematical idea since it's discovery has ever been able to disprove the logic behind astrophysics.
Scripture, by far, is something completely different. For which anyone, anywhere, can present their own personal meaning to it, and can change it from what it is (a scripture to be fallowed objectively no matter what) into exactly whatever it is that they want it to be.
You cannot do that with the mathematical aspects of trajectory with astrophysics...
Which makes subjective scripture interpretation fucking ridiculous, because anyone, anywhere, at any time, can make up any bull shit scenario they want, and lie to themselves and make it a truth to themselves.
You cannot do that with astrophysics, if you do, people will call you a dumbass... kinda like how i am calling people who try to reinterpret the bible as subjective hearsay, fucking silly willy as shit!
No offense.
Zaehet Strife
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“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
thump easy
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hehehehe tic for tac lolz im amused i usto be anti god everthing got the horns on my head to prove it.. the only way to find out is at the end of our leash i guess??
eye exaggerate
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Lack of due diligence makes for difficult conversations, no offence either. What is your reference point for interpretation? What are you saying is 'word' when it comes to the word?
Zaehet Strife
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Lack of due diligence makes for difficult conversations, no offence either. What is your reference point for interpretation? What are you saying is 'word' when it comes to the word?
- Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
- Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
- Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
- Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
- Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
- Thou shalt not kill.
- Thou shalt not commit adultery.
- Thou shalt not steal.
- Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
- Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
You can interpret those 10 commandments any way you damn well please, you can make them into anything you want... just like most scriptures you read in the old testament about rape, slavery, mass killings...
You can take what you don't like and make it into whatever you want, you can pretend that the rape and killings of women and children is just a metaphor for the killing of their thoughts if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that who wrote the bible intended for you to take it at face value, not for each individual on the planet to interpret them as they so choose... if they wanted it that way they would have said fuck it and let everyone just write their own damn bible. No, the ten commandments are not meant for you to interpret subjectively, they are rules to fallow, unchangeable, just like the scriptures. And when you change it into what you want rather than what it is, not only do you make a mockery of the bible, you make a mockery of yourself.
You cannot interpret astrophysics, just like you cannot interpret the ten commandments if you so choose to believe in them... because no matter what i believe the laws of physics dictate the mathematics that go into the measurements of how the planets, stars and galaxies move in this universe.
Just as the ten commandments and the scriptures determine how you should live your life and how to act if you so choose to believe in such things.
I can pretend that i can make up my own mathematics on how the planets move, and you can pretend that you can make up your own interpretation of the bible... but then we would be doing exactly the same thing;
Making shit up so it fits into our personal wants, needs and desires of what how we wish things are, rather than how things really are.
eye exaggerate
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Well all of that text looks like something, but at the end of the day you're going on about something inconsequential. I argued against using imagination in the context of experimentation already. Read a bit, Strife. Old argument.
Zaehet Strife
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I am not anti god, i think the idea of gods existing has the same probability of the idea of gods not existing. I love the idea of god/gods existing, it is a much more comfortable idea than that of god/gods not existing, yet the truth is... when i am honest with myself, is that i do not know whether or not god/gods do or do not exist.
There is no basis, not even the "spiritual" or "miracle" experiences i have been through or witnessed, because the possibility will always exist that what i experienced or witnessed may have been something completely different, it may have been wrong, it may have not been what it seemed to be... so doubt will always be permissible in such situations, therefor i cannot make a logical conclusion about such instances.
Zaehet Strife
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You must not have read what i had to say... else i would have expected a better response to the points i made.
eye exaggerate
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You mean like me saying in a post to you a page or so back '10 things are carved in stone'? You quoted the 10 things that I was referring to. Did you provide context? From what I read you told me how I couldn't interpret astrophysics that same way. There are fundamental laws in physics, and a ton of theory. Looks the same on the other side of the fence, man.
Padawanbater2
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Is there anyone on this forum who believes they have a firm grasp on the theory of evolution and still rejects it?
Zaehet Strife
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Ok lets make this simple.
You said that you interpret the bible's mass killings of children, women, rape and slavery as merely a "thought killing interpretation" which to me, sounds like a pretty fucking HUGE scape goat on your part. Which is what i was trying to argue. Regardless, i have to acknowledge the OP's question.
Do you or do you not understand evolution, can grasp the geological and fossil evidence of this scientific theory... yet still find it more probable that creationism is a more logical standpoint than evolution. If so, we would all like to know why.
thump easy
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well we found the missing links
Padawanbater2
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The "missing link" idea has always been really strange to me.. part of me thinks these guys must be just fucking around.. 1 - 2, you find 1.5, now there's two "gaps" between 1 and 2, instead of just one.. the "missing link" is essentially an unanswerable question posed by people who don't understand the theory. Another way to put it is like having a fork and a spoon, then discovering a "spork" and asking "well what's in between the fork and the spork?".. and on and on.. The "gaps" aren't ever fully acknowledged as transitional species or there's a constant request for more, more, MORE! No matter how many are discovered there will always be more and more "gaps"..
Padawanbater2
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What are you saying, you should suspend your beliefs in favor of unsubstantiated claims because they're "passive" in their explanations?
eye exaggerate
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Strife: no
Pada: no
Pada: no