why do pitbulls get a vicious dog rep?

buckeyebuds

Active Member
I don't dislike pits, but 99% of dogs in fighting rings are pitbulls. There attacks on humans as well as other animals are by far more vicious than other common breeds. In many cases they fight to the death. They are persistant and refuse to give up! The breed is also known for it's dominance over there owner (not good).
 

jrainman

Active Member
Gonna get on my soap box here , Ok So you want a Dog , understand first its a liability any breed of dog has the potential to be aggressive.

1) You don't buy a dog because you like what it looks like , all pure bred dogs where bred for a reason ,every pure bed dog has what is called a Standard
READ the Standard for the breed you have in mind before purchasing , Why because it will tell you more than you think you know about what you are getting yourself into.

2) When you decide on a breed of dog you want , Do not buy from a pet store, do not buy from the guy around the corner that just had a litter
Why because the same reason you don't grow bag seed,( GENETICS).You buy the best seeds for growing to smoke top quality buds,
Well breeding dogs and breeding weed is the same in very real sense.

3) choose a breeder that has been breeding that breed of dog for at least 10 years, why because like weed he has the genetics there on his property (Kennel).(the mother plant) An established line that takes many year to prefect (sound familiar thought so)

4) any good breeder worth his salt will offer you a guarantee on health and ,temprment, top quality breeder will have cerf cert = (eyes ) and also at least 3 generations of OFA cert = Hips

5) visit at least 3 breeders ,see his stock , the best thing you can do is if the breeder has the grand parents at the kennel ,this is the dog or both you want to see ,because phenol and geno traits tend to skip a generation in dogs , another word the litter you are looking at will most likely turn out like the the grand dam or grand father.

6) choosing the puppy ok so there is a way to choose the perfect companion (puppy) , but most really good breeders will choose the puppy for you,and it all depends on your lifestyle. this gets a little deep but understand how dogs derive from wolf and they live there life in a pack (pecking order)

So if you are a family you want the most submissive puppy in the litter you are looking at. there is a simple test to find this out, when that litter of puppies is released on you and your family to choose one , you simply play gently with each one petting and general play as the puppy gets comfortable with you roll him over start with rubbing his belly slowly work your way up to his withers (neck) now just gently pin him down by his neck not much force just enough that he feel you have control , the longer he deals with the submission the more submissive the dog will ,a puppy who can hold that position for you for more then 30 to 45 seconds will become a dog that is easy to train and will no his place in your family his or her entire life

a puppy that will have none of this hold my neck down belly up is a dominate dog ,and more than likely will be harder to train and will try to move up the pack in your family witch can lead to aggression on your children first then your wife then you. you think that male puppy you bought home 8 months later starts humping your wife or kids means he wants to have sex , NO this is a true sign of I am going to be the boss.

I bred , showed, trained and judged dogs most my whole life ,and I always enjoyed how people who owned dogs with saying thing like my dog protects my newborn if any one come in to the baby room he will growl at them. Dogs do not react and think like people. what the dog is really saying and thinking is I am jealous and I want attention and I am not happy with this new person in my household .

7) A dog that shows more dominate should be owned by a single person they tend to do better in a one on one situation , and also a single person should get a puppy between 7 and 8 weeks of age as a family should get a submissive puppy at 10 weeks of age, the reason why is at about 5 week a litter will establish the pecking order, but socialization with littermates has really not started to develop till 6 weeks of age , a single person getting a puppy a 7 weeks mind you this is a dominate dog and that age he will bond with you like a brother or sister and be much easier to train.

8 to 10 week puppies start socializing with each other a puppy taken a 8 to 9 weeks will be more adapt to living with a family and also it will socialize netter with other pets. But a submissive puppy taken out of a littler a 10 weeks of age benefits from its mother. this is a very important thing for a submissive pup because at 10 weeks a mother will take one puppy at a time first by its head and taunt is till it learn how to defend them selves ,once it fights back then mom moves on to the next puppy.

what does this do well in short it makes for a very well rounded dog , remember this is a submissive pup and if taken before week ten you will end up with that skidish dog we all see from time to time that wants nothing to do with socialization.

So a dog is a companion that should be able to go anywhere you want it to go and listen to your commands . So training and socialization is key to have a great dog , but you must first choose the right breed and personality that will make a great dog.

And remember the most effective way that your dog understands who is the boss is you never ever let your dog eat before you ,you always eat first then feed him ,this sets the rules in his world and he understands what that means.

Sorry got out of hand with this post ,.but dogs and people are so misunderstood
 

cat of curiosity

Well-Known Member
They are persistant and refuse to give up! The breed is also known for it's dominance over there owner (not good).
hard headed, and they'll give up. a true master/owner will never allow a dog to be dominant over them. i've never met a dog bigger than me, and one who can't be convinced is one who can bite the bullet. no dog should ever be in a position to think it is dominant over any human.

i have a cattle dog, much more aggressive that pit bulls. he is always wary, and ready to defend/protect, but responds to me. if the threat needs to be handled, i command him to neutralize the threat. if it is not a threat, i call him down. i choose, as i am the alpha. he responds, and is a happier dog for it, as he does not need to decide when and where his force is needed. pits are not naturally dominant, and do not wish to be; being an alpha is hard work, and very stressful.

so, back to the 99.999% human error thing...
 

joe macclennan

Well-Known Member
Gonna get on my soap box here , Ok So you want a Dog , understand first its a liability any breed of dog has the potential to be aggressive.

1) You don't buy a dog because you like what it looks like , all pure bred dogs where bred for a reason ,every pure bed dog has what is called a Standard
READ the Standard for the breed you have in mind before purchasing , Why because it will tell you more than you think you know about what you are getting yourself into.

2) When you decide on a breed of dog you want , Do not buy from a pet store, do not buy from the guy around the corner that just had a litter
Why because the same reason you don't grow bag seed,( GENETICS).You buy the best seeds for growing to smoke top quality buds,
Well breeding dogs and breeding weed is the same in very real sense.

3) choose a breeder that has been breeding that breed of dog for at least 10 years, why because like weed he has the genetics there on his property (Kennel).(the mother plant) An established line that takes many year to prefect (sound familiar thought so)

4) any good breeder worth his salt will offer you a guarantee on health and ,temprment, top quality breeder will have cerf cert = (eyes ) and also at least 3 generations of OFA cert = Hips

5) visit at least 3 breeders ,see his stock , the best thing you can do is if the breeder has the grand parents at the kennel ,this is the dog or both you want to see ,because phenol and geno traits tend to skip a generation in dogs , another word the litter you are looking at will most likely turn out like the the grand dam or grand father.

6) choosing the puppy ok so there is a way to choose the perfect companion (puppy) , but most really good breeders will choose the puppy for you,and it all depends on your lifestyle. this gets a little deep but understand how dogs derive from wolf and they live there life in a pack (pecking order)

So if you are a family you want the most submissive puppy in the litter you are looking at. there is a simple test to find this out, when that litter of puppies is released on you and your family to choose one , you simply play gently with each one petting and general play as the puppy gets comfortable with you roll him over start with rubbing his belly slowly work your way up to his withers (neck) now just gently pin him down by his neck not much force just enough that he feel you have control , the longer he deals with the submission the more submissive the dog will ,a puppy who can hold that position for you for more then 30 to 45 seconds will become a dog that is easy to train and will no his place in your family his or her entire life

a puppy that will have none of this hold my neck down belly up is a dominate dog ,and more than likely will be harder to train and will try to move up the pack in your family witch can lead to aggression on your children first then your wife then you. you think that male puppy you bought home 8 months later starts humping your wife or kids means he wants to have sex , NO this is a true sign of I am going to be the boss.

I bred , showed, trained and judged dogs most my whole life ,and I always enjoyed how people who owned dogs with saying thing like my dog protects my newborn if any one come in to the baby room he will growl at them. Dogs do not react and think like people. what the dog is really saying and thinking is I am jealous and I want attention and I am not happy with this new person in my household .

7) A dog that shows more dominate should be owned by a single person they tend to do better in a one on one situation , and also a single person should get a puppy between 7 and 8 weeks of age as a family should get a submissive puppy at 10 weeks of age, the reason why is at about 5 week a litter will establish the pecking order, but socialization with littermates has really not started to develop till 6 weeks of age , a single person getting a puppy a 7 weeks mind you this is a dominate dog and that age he will bond with you like a brother or sister and be much easier to train.

8 to 10 week puppies start socializing with each other a puppy taken a 8 to 9 weeks will be more adapt to living with a family and also it will socialize netter with other pets. But a submissive puppy taken out of a littler a 10 weeks of age benefits from its mother. this is a very important thing for a submissive pup because at 10 weeks a mother will take one puppy at a time first by its head and taunt is till it learn how to defend them selves ,once it fights back then mom moves on to the next puppy.

what does this do well in short it makes for a very well rounded dog , remember this is a submissive pup and if taken before week ten you will end up with that skidish dog we all see from time to time that wants nothing to do with socialization.

So a dog is a companion that should be able to go anywhere you want it to go and listen to your commands . So training and socialization is key to have a great dog , but you must first choose the right breed and personality that will make a great dog.

And remember the most effective way that your dog understands who is the boss is you never ever let your dog eat before you ,you always eat first then feed him ,this sets the rules in his world and he understands what that means.

Sorry got out of hand with this post ,.but dogs and people are so misunderstood
damn JR...I thought I knew a thing or two about dogs....I just learned a LOT right there...

thank you sir!
 

mr sunshine

Well-Known Member
The only diffrence between a pit and another dog that size is the lock jaw.. so if i had to guess the lock jaw is what sets them apart....
 

doublejj

Well-Known Member
Having a pit is like having a loaded shotgun with the safety off, laying around your living room floor. It may never go off, but if it does, it won't be pretty!....
 

joe macclennan

Well-Known Member
I disagree jj. It's all about training imo.

a german shepherd can and will do just as much damage. having a lock jaw just means they won't release. There is a reason why german shepherds are one of the most prominent guard dogs. Nobody fucks with a shepherd.
 

doublejj

Well-Known Member
I disagree jj. It's all about training imo.

a german shepherd can and will do just as much damage. having a lock jaw just means they won't release. There is a reason why german shepherds are one of the most prominent guard dogs. Nobody fucks with a shepherd.
The difference is a poorly trained German Shepard is inclined to eat your face without warning, Pit's do it every day.....
 

cat of curiosity

Well-Known Member
I disagree jj. It's all about training imo.

a german shepherd can and will do just as much damage. having a lock jaw just means they won't release. There is a reason why german shepherds are one of the most prominent guard dogs. Nobody fucks with a shepherd.
it's not just training, but domination. a dog needs to know who is boss, who's in charge, and who calls the shots. no dog WANTS to be alpha, it's a tough job. it's OUR job, and the pups respond to our wishes, and look to us to understand if something is a threat or not. now, domination does not mean beating, or hurting your animal, but merely staying in charge. if a situation arises where you the master are challenged, it is imperative to put the dog in it's place. i have dealt with some the 'meanest' and 'most aggressive' dogs out there, and can have them roll and loll and play like babies. if a dog has to decide when and where and what to do on it's own, you the owner have not done your job as a pet parent.
 

joe macclennan

Well-Known Member
a poorly trained pit perhaps. I've been around several and never witnessed aggressive behaviour towards ppl. shit, I knew one guy who trained his pit to go to the fridge..open it, get him a beer, close the door and bring him the beer.....shit you not

I don't believe pitbulls are inherently dangerous. I believe most people who own them dont' know how to handle dogs and are just bad owners....they get them because they want to have a "badass" dog.
 

cat of curiosity

Well-Known Member
a poorly trained pit perhaps. I've been around several and never witnessed aggressive behaviour towards ppl. shit, I knew one guy who trained his pit to go to the fridge..open it, get him a beer, close the door and bring him the beer.....shit you not

I don't believe pitbulls are inherently dangerous. I believe most people who own them dont' know how to handle dogs and are just bad owners....they get them because they want to have a "badass" dog.
again, wild dogs will behave in a wild manner. this isn't breed specific. however, since pits are popular, there are many of them, and many that are neglected. these are wild animals, not examples of the breed.
 

joe macclennan

Well-Known Member
it's not just training, but domination. a dog needs to know who is boss, who's in charge, and who calls the shots. no dog WANTS to be alpha, it's a tough job. it's OUR job, and the pups respond to our wishes, and look to us to understand if something is a threat or not. now, domination does not mean beating, or hurting your animal, but merely staying in charge. if a situation arises where you the master are challenged, it is imperative to put the dog in it's place. i have dealt with some the 'meanest' and 'most aggressive' dogs out there, and can have them roll and loll and play like babies. if a dog has to decide when and where and what to do on it's own, you the owner have not done your job as a pet parent.
god damn I wish I could rep again.....well said sir
 

joe macclennan

Well-Known Member
my last dog was a malamute/wolf mix...wanna talk about a stubborn alpha male fucker lol.

he was my best friend and would do all kinds of tricks for me. when I first got him I was very worried about his lineage so I got him fixed...i always regretted that. he bit me once when he was a pup. I put him in his place and he was the most loyal and smart dog i've ever had the pleasure of having.... I miss that guy :(
 

cat of curiosity

Well-Known Member
my last dog was a malamute/wolf mix...wanna talk about a stubborn alpha male fucker lol.

he was my best friend and would do all kinds of tricks for me. when I first got him I was very worried about his lineage so I got him fixed...i always regretted that. he bit me once when he was a pup. I put him in his place and he was the most loyal and smart dog i've ever had the pleasure of having.... I miss that guy :(
i have raised several australian cattle dogs, the only breed of dog that is SPECIFICALLY bred to bite. they are the most stubborn, independent, and obnoxious dogs out there, with energy to work extremely hard for 16+ hours a day, and if not properly handled can be an extreme nuisance and liability. raising cow dog pups involves quite a bit of bites and blood, if used as a herding animal. as pets, it's important to halt bites early and never allow teeth to touch skin. my dogs know how to bite, how hard to bite, and how to let go. it's my call when and where they use their teeth, and early on, training involves stops when the dog goes too far. unattended, these animals are potentially deadly. they are six slots higher on the list of aggressive dog breeds than pit bulls...

it still surprises me that people can be so fearful of a goofy bully dog, but want to play with my 'cute' cattle dogs. if it were not for frequent socialization and stop training, these people would walk away bloody (if the dog is called down, worse if unattended). pits do not deserve the reputation and stigma that is assigned to the breed. the pit bull was once considered the american family dog, and for good reason. loyal, loving, and docile. remember petey from the little rascals?
 

BarnBuster

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COC, had Dobermans and Rottweilers since the mid 70's and couldn't agree more with your assessments of pup socialization and pack hierarchy. I had a female Rott as the only dog for several years. Watchful, attentive, protective and alert. Added a male Dobe to the house mix and the Rott seemed more than happy to allow him to takeover the "guard" role. She was still the beta in the "pack" mix but could spend more time sleeping on the couch while he was the one on alert status. LOL, those damn dogs
 
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