Why do my leaves look droopy and sick

GOLDBERG71

GOLDBERG71

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Magnetic ballasts from what I understand hum some fairly loud. It's also old technology. Now a days most people use digital ballasts. I'd also check out bulb prices. Many times a 1000 watt bulb will be cheaper than the 600s. They would dim to 600.

I'd bet my life the bulb that comes with that set up isn't high quality.
 
Anonymous...

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GOLDBERG71 said:
Magnetic ballasts from what I understand hum some fairly loud. It's also old technology. Now a days most people use digital ballasts. I'd also check out bulb prices. Many times a 1000 watt bulb will be cheaper than the 600s. They would dim to 600.

I'd bet my life the bulb that comes with that set up isn't high quality.
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Can u recommend a link or maybe good set to buy
 
GOLDBERG71

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You're missing my whole point. I don't think there is a good set. Hoods are all different. Some concentrate light to a small footprint. Others concentrate on a wider footprint.

Here's the deal. It's all up to what you want to do and for how long. If you want a continually flower. You're going to need 2 areas. I thought I'd be happy with 2 lights 1 for flower and another for veg. That only lasted one cycle and I was hooked. That's why I say think about what YOU want to do. Expect a learning curve and don't be disappointed. In your planning think further ahead than the first batch of dried goods. Any plan you make in design will most likely need to be altered. Expect more heat build up than you can imagine. There's also other types of lights. Some swear by LED, others double ended systems, and ceramic metal halide systems. Each is different and needs to be treated that way. I started with digital 2 600s and then bought more. Then I swapped some 600s for 1000s. Im in my first run with the CMH in a tent. They vegged under digital ballasts so I can't compare them yet. Come to think of it there also CFLs. Don't do what someone else suggests. I know it's a lot to take in but the info is all here for your searching.

Just as an example. When I started I had done the math. I needed a 4 inch exhaust. I plugged in my 2 600 watt units put my freshly transplanted plants under them. Started under T5. When I turned the whole thing on I watched the temp go from 65 to 85 in about 6 minutes. And that freakin fan was at full speed. So the first thing I did was shut the lights off. The second was to order a larger filter and a larger fan. The third I went to Home Depot and bought an A/C unit. Cut a hole in the wall of my newly constructed "room" in my unfinished basement. I'm a carpenter by trade I had spent all this time on my design and the first day I'm cutting holes in the wall. So trust me when I say think ahead. You'll never get it perfect. I'm always tweeting my rooms. Another wise suggestion is think about how you're going work with these plants when they're at full size in bloom. If it's hard to reach when the plants are small forget about it when they're 3-4 tall. You can google everything. There's basic room designs and everything. Think about all costs (different bulbs last longer than others and cost more etc. over years that adds up!) and remember one thing. Some corners aren't worth cutting. A corner cut early can cost you dearly in final product. You'll also need a dehumidifier or you'll deal with bud rot. So much to say not enough time.
 
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Anonymous...

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GOLDBERG71 said:
You're missing my whole point. I don't think there is a good set. Hoods are all different. Some concentrate light to a small footprint. Others concentrate on a wider footprint.

Here's the deal. It's all up to what you want to do and for how long. If you want a continually flower. You're going to need 2 areas. I thought I'd be happy with 2 lights 1 for flower and another for veg. That only lasted one cycle and I was hooked. That's why I say think about what YOU want to do. Expect a learning curve and don't be disappointed. In your planning think further ahead than the first batch of dried goods. Any plan you make in design will most likely need to be altered. Expect more heat build up than you can imagine. There's also other types of lights. Some swear by LED, others double ended systems, and ceramic metal halide systems. Each is different and needs to be treated that way. I started with digital 2 600s and then bought more. Then I swapped some 600s for 1000s. Im in my first run with the CMH in a tent. They vegged under digital ballasts so I can't compare them yet. Come to think of it there also CFLs. Don't do what someone else suggests. I know it's a lot to take in but the info is all here for your searching.

Just as an example. When I started I had done the math. I needed a 4 inch exhaust. I plugged in my 2 600 watt units put my freshly transplanted plants under them. Started under T5. When I turned the whole thing on I watched the temp go from 65 to 85 in about 6 minutes. And that freakin fan was at full speed. So the first thing I did was shut the lights off. The second was to order a larger filter and a larger fan. The third I went to Home Depot and bought an A/C unit. Cut a hole in the wall of my newly constructed "room" in my unfinished basement. I'm a carpenter by trade I had spent all this time on my design and the first day I'm cutting holes in the wall. So trust me when I say think ahead. You'll never get it perfect. I'm always tweeting my rooms. Another wise suggestion is think about how you're going work with these plants when they're at full size in bloom. If it's hard to reach when the plants are small forget about it when they're 3-4 tall. You can google everything. There's basic room designs and everything. Think about all costs (different bulbs last longer than others and cost more etc. over years that adds up!) and remember one thing. Some corners aren't worth cutting. A corner cut early can cost you dearly in final product. You'll also need a dehumidifier or you'll deal with bud rot. So much to say not enough time.
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I'm gonna take your advise and go back to the drawing board BC now I am wondering I'd love to veg and flower continually and I could do two tents also your saying look at buying all my equipment piece by piece
 
GOLDBERG71

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I'm gonna take your advise and go back to the drawing board BC now I am wondering I'd love to veg and flower continually and I could do two tents also your saying look at buying all my equipment piece by piece
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Basically yes you'll have to buy piece by piece. On the other hand you can shop for it by the piece. Find the cheapest price from a reputable site. Each places pulls you in with a good price on one thing then kill you on another. But there's no savings buying a ballast and hood together because they "give" you a bulb. Rest assured it sucks anyway. So unless you want that ballast and that hood and get the bulb you want for less than all three individually. It's not worth it. I've been buying my bulbs from 1000 bulbs for years. But they might have just lost me. I never had a bulb failure with my brand. So I thought nothing of ordering early and putting it on the shelf. Well after DOZENS of bulbs I opened this bulb and it NEVER worked. And they wouldn't replace it because it had been 3-4 months. So I told the sales guy he already lost a sale of 3 CMH units. Now that came all in one box. Ballast bulb and reflector. lol believe it or not I'm going to contradict myself. That bulb actually was a good bulb but I researched it because I was prepared to buy a better bulb. BUT I DID GET EACH PIECE AS I WANTED BY ITSELF.
 
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GOLDBERG71

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If you go with 2 rooms and can't make up your mind. You can always buy 2 different types of lights and compare them early on. So when it's time to replace something you've got results to base your choices on. Not some forum or review! Remember there's no one who know your grow area better than you. You'll find a lot of know it alls around here. Many questions don't have exact answers. Because there's many ways to wind up with a bad environment. And when it comes to pests everyone has a different diagnosis. Same thing with nutes people argue all the time and have sides. Think it through. Read about over/under watering/feeding. Read about bugs. Read about the environment. Read about the problems people have had and the symptoms. So you might be able see the problem coming. When the leaves change color, get burned, or the plant gets infested with bugs. If you wait until it can be seen a mile away your situation will be worse. Have some form of "all purpose" fogger. You can spray plants in veg with azamax or many other things but after flower I wouldn't spray anything on my plants. But I've always got a box of foggers on hand. You don't want to waste time taking a poll or reading while your plants are under siege. Be clean as possible but sooner or later you'll get something. Whitefly, fungus gnats, but something. Those 2 are easy but it can be bad. I had a battle with spider mites they're a pain in the ass.
 
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GOLDBERG71 said:
If you go with 2 rooms and can't make up your mind. You can always buy 2 different types of lights and compare them early on. So when it's time to replace something you've got results to base your choices on. Not some forum or review! Remember there's no one who know your grow area better than you. You'll find a lot of know it alls around here. Many questions don't have exact answers. Because there's many ways to wind up with a bad environment. And when it comes to pests everyone has a different diagnosis. Same thing with nutes people argue all the time and have sides. Think it through. Read about over/under watering/feeding. Read about bugs. Read about the environment. Read about the problems people have had and the symptoms. So you might be able see the problem coming. When the leaves change color, get burned, or the plant gets infested with bugs. If you wait until it can be seen a mile away your situation will be worse. Have some form of "all purpose" fogger. You can spray plants in veg with azamax or many other things but after flower I wouldn't spray anything on my plants. But I've always got a box of foggers on hand. You don't want to waste time taking a poll or reading while your plants are under siege. Be clean as possible but sooner or later you'll get something. Whitefly, fungus gnats, but something. Those 2 are easy but it can be bad. I had a battle with spider mites they're a pain in the ass.
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actually i got a about four sticky fly traps around my plant and I haven't had an issue for two grows with a single bug problem knock onbwood but I also have a few daddy long leg spidders I let live in the corner.
 
Orlando737

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I'm confused
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The roots need air to breathe, so a build up of water is asking the plant to process nutrients in order to allow the leaves to grow.
If you are looking at your plants leaves deteriorating, its the plants way is telling you that it is drowning & starved of oxygen.
Your problem is very simple to rectify and you will probably make sure on your next grow you wont repeat it.
A lot of good advice has been given here by other growers & if you check the stickies and other post on here there is an answer to most growers problems.
You should do a bit more reading,
Best of luck !
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A.K.A. Overgrowem

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I can't keep picking up my pot its under a scrog net and getting to a point where its too much of a hassle here is a link with a full list of everything about my grow
https://www.rollitup.org/t/must-see-organic-scrog-soil-advise.924334/page-2#post-13069042
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You can get a little meter that will tell U when to water but mid-way into your second grow you won't use it any more. I have used smart pots, air pots, and nursery pots. With good soil, I saw little diff. in performance. Improvements are: Use right size pots for your goals. 2 to 3 gals. work for me. Get your soil profile by filling a jar 1/3 full of your soil, 4/5 with water, stir well, let settle. Sand layer will be on bottom, silt sized particle layer on top of that, then clay sized particle layer, above that is various light and heavier organic stuff. The "SAND" is the key to good soil. Check your sand layer if it is thin, add "CLEAN", "COARSE" sand to your mix, put some of your new mix in a small pot, water, check how it drains and over what time it dries, If you are happy get a new soil profile and adjust all future soils to that sand level. If not happy, repeat process.
 
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A.K.A. Overgrowem

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My leaves droop but not all around half also tips point down makes me think n. Deffecicy but I've cut down complety and flushed still seeing probs in new growth someone help me I'll answer any questions the link to original page with all info on mY grow I'll post after this msg
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Looks like she might like a little Cal/Mag.
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You guys are 100% right except I'm not watering too much I DONT HAVE GOOD ENOUGH DRAINAGE I took what u guys said and did a bunch of research and I'm positive that's my problem but how can I fix it without transplanting its too late for that or do y'all recommend I just let it dry out and be careful with waterings.
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Too late to help this grow. You do have the time to dial in your sand content in for the next grow. Well drained soil with big pieces of anything (wood) screened out and some perlite will make a WORLD of diff.
 
A.K.A. Overgrowem

A.K.A. Overgrowem

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Hot Dog! I found a big pile of white sand left behind the new Hardies in my hood today. Was getting ready to blend 5 gals. of soil for a new grow. Sand was what I needed. Goin to bring home buckets full. Happy as a pig eating shyte. Had to give a shout out.
 
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