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why can you smell weed through sealed plastic bags

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stephaniesloan

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mrmadcow said:
I wonder how many false hits the dogs make. my mother in law lives on US/Canadian border & they have been on a drug bust frenzy. 2x in the last few weeks she has rolled up on roadblocks and had the dogs "hit" on her car so they searched it. found nothing, she doesn't smoke. suspect the dogs were smelling her dog's scent, it was in heat & in the car earlier in the day of both searches.
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hm now thats a good idea

a van with 8 dogs in heat in it, the little hairy fucker will be too horny running round the van looking for his legover, the smell of a bit cannabis will be the least of his problems the rampant little devil.

but knowing my luck the search dog would be a nasty little bitch.

and someone suggested sealing my dope in a candle, how do i get the yield from 50 plants in to a candle.
 
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mrmadcow

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stephaniesloan said:
........and someone suggested sealing my dope in a candle, how do i get the yield from 50 plants in to a candle.
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big fucking candles? LOL think mason jars
a dog or 8 in heat will cause the police dog to go off on your car & give cause for a search. unless you are clean, dont you want to avoid this?
 
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watchhowIdoit

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mattman said:
putting your grass in coffee beans does jack shit.... if you were to take mustard/ketchup/mayonnaise/peanut butter and mix it all up, if a dog could talk he would known what EACH ingredient was within your concoction.
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You are correct. I think alot of these folks watched Beverly Hills Cop too many times...
 
tet1953

tet1953

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newworldicon said:
If you put that plastic bag under a microscope, you will find a magnification point that shows microscopic holes in the plastic bag, it's at a molecular level for the PVC. Scent particles can escape but water particles are too large. This is why a sniffer dog can smell the stuff through barrels, it's sensitivity is at such a heightened state that it can detect at molecular levels the scent.
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Yep, same principle that causes helium balloons to lose their helium over time; passing through the gaps.
 
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newworldicon

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Because we now know that scent particles are able to permiate any substance it boils things down to time factor. How long will it take for the smell to permiate through my defenses and how long do I have to transport the product. Smuggling kilo bricks of Swazi "Rooi bart" to the UK required sealing the brick in an epoxy or polymer resin, always ensuring at leat a half inch of resin around the brick and once dried then placing that in a bag of o3 filled gas and sealed then one more bag with o3 for good measure. o3 is the only thing that will kill off the scent particles before it has the time to permiate further. The whole lot is then boxed along with household crap and sent to a friend who owns a courier company.

Now you know some secrets to smuggling...

PS. o3 is ozone for the uninitiated..
 
tet1953

tet1953

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newworldicon said:
Because we now know that scent particles are able to permiate any substance it boils things down to time factor. How long will it take for the smell to permiate through my defenses and how long do I have to transport the product. Smuggling kilo bricks of Swazi "Rooi bart" to the UK required sealing the brick in an epoxy or polymer resin, always ensuring at leat a half inch of resin around the brick and once dried then placing that in a bag of o3 filled gas and sealed then one more bag with o3 for good measure. o3 is the only thing that will kill off the scent particles before it has the time to permiate further. The whole lot is then boxed along with household crap and sent to a friend who owns a courier company.

Now you know some secrets to smuggling...

PS. o3 is ozone for the uninitiated..
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For anybody who's interested, it's kinda neat how ozone does what it does. I'm am not a chemist but I read up on it one day, pretty interesting. O3 is pretty unstable, it will lose that extra atom of O pretty easily, becoming plain O2 again. So, then you got this single atom of O floating around (I believe they call it a free radical). This atom of O will bind very easily to lots of molecules, including those that cause strong smells. Well, when that atom of O binds up with whatever, the whatever is no longer the same thing, chemically. Poof! smell gone.

So it doesn't cover anything up, it totally eliminates it by changing its chemical structure. Cool eh?
 
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newworldicon

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tet1953 said:
For anybody who's interested, it's kinda neat how ozone does what it does. I'm am not a chemist but I read up on it one day, pretty interesting. O3 is pretty unstable, it will lose that extra atom of O pretty easily, becoming plain O2 again. So, then you got this single atom of O floating around (I believe they call it a free radical). This atom of O will bind very easily to lots of molecules, including those that cause strong smells. Well, when that atom of O binds up with whatever, the whatever is no longer the same thing, chemically. Poof! smell gone.

So it doesn't cover anything up, it totally eliminates it by changing its chemical structure. Cool eh?
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BINGO......it changes it on a molecular level making it unrecognisable....
 
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stephaniesloan

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this is getting complicated, even though it is probably easy to smuggle the smelly stuff with the O3, i think sealed jars are the way to keep it in the car.
it wont keep the dogs at bay but that jobsworth promotion seeking young cops nose will not be bothering him.
 
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newworldicon

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stephaniesloan said:
this is getting complicated, even though it is probably easy to smuggle the smelly stuff with the O3, i think sealed jars are the way to keep it in the car.
it wont keep the dogs at bay but that jobsworth promotion seeking young cops nose will not be bothering him.
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We are talking about different things here, you are talking about a small amount from one county or state to the next, whereas I talking country to country, International. So yes that may be a bit much unless it was vast quantities that would be better off having the OTT treatment.

Either way though the young gun cop takes his cues from the dog and without fail the dog will smell the jar, the weed and even the last thing you had in the jar before the weed, say biscuits.

I'm all for sound reasonable reasoning and if it's a good call to drive with a jar then I say go for it. It's all down to a percentage at the end of the day. What are the chances of me getting caught considering the factors......always a tiny one.
 
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TJames

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Coffee is a myth as many pointed out. Smelly Bags work great for keeping the sink from the noses of humans. Dramatic.
I wonder if anyone's tried taking a package and surrounding the package with activated charcoal.

I believe a sealed wax jar is safe, as is a sealed mason jar. Scent particles are not able to pass through "any substance." That's also a myth.
 
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stephaniesloan

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TJames said:
Coffee is a myth as many pointed out. Smelly Bags work great for keeping the sink from the noses of humans. Dramatic.
I wonder if anyone's tried taking a package and surrounding the package with activated charcoal.

I believe a sealed wax jar is safe, as is a sealed mason jar. Scent particles are not able to pass through "any substance." That's also a myth.
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i certainly do not think that a dog can smell through glass.

but the metal or plastic lid, or even the rubber, silicon, or plastic seal, then who knows.
 
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TJames

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The whole purpose of a mason jar is for absolute airtight seal. Pull a vacuum and come back in a few years. Still under vacuum. The biggest smell source would be surface contamination from someone's hand on the jar surface
 
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kanx

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Apparently the smell can "soak threw" given enough time.

However I would imagine if you double seal with a JML vac sealer , that would seal the smell alot better than just the zip lock bags.
 
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TJames

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kanx said:
Apparently the smell can "soak threw" given enough time.

However I would imagine if you double seal with a JML vac sealer , that would seal the smell alot better than just the zip lock bags.
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Soak through what? A bag? Yes, certainly. Through a sealed mason jar? No.
 
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THENUMBER1022

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A lot of those dogs are trained to "indicate" on signal, if the cops are getting tired of the dog not finding anything and have a hunch youre hiding something.. A 2 peice lid on a glass jar inside of a candle! Some anti-mosquito candles are large enough to fit a jar inside. ....truth be told, you could put it in your tires and they'll still find it. If the dog indicates, they'll destroy your property recklessly, regardless to their findings. And as far as the guy who said he'll get off because the dogs found it and not the cops, thats their loophole. according to police, police dogs are always right and arent taught to lie. the dog is their legal passage to have their way with your car, even if youre innocent. the bottom line is: now they have youre weed and it was in your car. which is a crime.
 
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THENUMBER1022

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although I recall an instance where I just cleaned my car, and had qp in the trunk. pulled over for 74 in a 65, and he called the k9. k9 indicated and they ripped the car apart, but without a key - the trunk is safe. the k9 never indicated towards the trunk.
 
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ROBSTERB

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they tried all the above ways on mythbusters and they all got busted! except the female dog in heat, they sprayed the scent from a bitch it heat on someone further down the cue and the dog was distracted so much that the handler gave up! BUT he went and got a female dog who found it straight away, lol
 
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newworldicon

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If any of you think a dog will not sniff through glass then think again my friends, I grew up with extended family, a cousin that joined the South African Police dog squad as a handler and they can smell any scent trained to recognise through almost anything, including barrels of oil, fat, wax, petroleum.

Anyone thinking glass is not permiable or almost anything else widely available is a fool. But hey what do I know, I've only been there done that and now thanking my lucky stars able to wear the t-shirt.
 
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TJames

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RobsterB: You are mixing two episodes. The first was a really, really flawed episode looking at tracking dogs (nose) as they did not account for surface contamination when the dog searched. You can't smell through glass.

The second episode looked at what distracts a guard dog (different training) and yes, an un-focused dog is distracted by environmental factors.
 
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