whole plant dry ??

okay so i have dried many ways and i have also tried wet vs dry trimming over the years. i have settled on whole plant drying over the last several harvests as i found it to be by far the best way for me to assure 7+ days on drying without environment controls in a drying room.
now onto my question. i am now growing shorter smaller plants than normal and i also bought a set of screens because i pollinated my crop and wanted to sift when i pick out seeds. not everything is seeded i will be curing some to. what i was thinking of trying is removing all the fan leaves before i hang the whole plant, but i worry this will decrease my dry time too much given smaller plants and removing the fan leaves. it's like removing a buffer to me. i wanted to do this to make seperating my hash grades easier and maybe to get a lil before the plant is dry. how i was gonna do this was cut off the fan leaves, dry them on my screens and then bounce em in a cpl days as leaves dry super fast. by the time the plants are dry i will have processed the fan leaves aka most of the junk. i realize there are very little trichs on fan leaves save for the stems and they are usually immature or over ripe compared to the bud trichs however something a week earlier is better than nothing.
do you guys think this is a waste of time or i am risking drying the bud too soon if i remove the fan leaves when i harvest?

anyone can answer but i would rather hear from a person who whole plant dries and not from ppl who prefer to wet trim etc.

I trim all my fan leaves before I dry the whole plant. That helps me ensure a good dry here. I wouldn't waste my time trying to harvest a handful of trichomes off fan leaves.

If you need something to smoke, take some of the lower nugs and make a quick batch of qwiso. Fresh frozen material makes delicious concentrates.

It depends on who is consuming it
If it is for others then remove them for better bag appeal

Thundercat said:

I trim all my fan leaves before I dry the whole plant. That helps me ensure a good dry here. I wouldn't waste my time trying to harvest a handful of trichomes off fan leaves.

If you need something to smoke, take some of the lower nugs and make a quick batch of qwiso. Fresh frozen material makes delicious concentrates.

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lol yea ikr. i have made qwiso and fresh frozen bho in the past hwen i needed something to smoke asap, but i am like a kid on christmass with my new screens lol, i wanted an excuse to use em. they have been sitting here for a week staring at me lol
thanks for the anwer to

With smaller plants though depending on your RH, they will dry out faster if you remove lots of vegetation. My smaller plants have been drying out too quickly the last 2 chops and I’m not happy with the product/cure. I also wouldn’t waste my time bouncing those leaves.

Herb & Suds said:

It depends on who is consuming it
If it is for others then remove them for better bag appeal

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oh maybe i wasn't clear. i don't mean the final product. i mean for the purpose of making life easier and maybe having something to sift before the buds are dry tho admittedly i won't prolly get anything i just wanted to use my new screens haha. but ye i don't mean bag appeal at all. i dry trim, and from now oon i'll be dry trimming over my screens even. it is just for me tho so bag appeal doesn't matter. i sometimes leave allot of sugar leaves on the bud to cure with the bud if they are frosty enough. sometimes i roll it all sugar leaf and bud in joints sometimes i rub off the brittle cured sugar leaves and put em in their own jar and when full qwiso it or something. regardless i would say i never manicure for appearence

outliergenetix said:

lol yea ikr. i have made qwiso and fresh frozen bho in the past hwen i needed something to smoke asap, but i am like a kid on christmass with my new screens lol, i wanted an excuse to use em. they have been sitting here for a week staring at me lol
thanks for the anwer to

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Just run the sugar leaves and larf/lower nuggets.

ChronicWonders. said:

With smaller plants though depending on your RH, they will dry out faster if you remove lots of vegetation. My smaller plants have been drying out too quickly the last 2 chops and I’m not happy with the product/cure. I also wouldn’t waste my time bouncing those leaves.

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okay i will give up the idea of bouncing the fan leaves. i already figured this was not gonna get me anything, as i told others i am just impatient and wanted too use my screens that are sitting here unused. i totally agree with your drying points tho. this is what concerned me about doing it. a cpl of mine are way to small compared to previous grows so i was already worried even leaving the fan leaves on it would dry to quick. nothing ruins a harvest like a fast dry imo. personally i don't understand how ppl wet trim and cut nugs off the stem when wet. unless you live in a rainforest that shit will definitely suffer lol. maybe i will do as @Thundercat says and just qwiso the fan leaves and bounce the buds and sugar leaves
thanks for all your input everyone. i love hearing diff opinions

Just FYI I grow small single cola plants in a SOG. Removing the fan leaves doesn't make them dry to fast here. But I'm in an area that gets humidity.

As far as wanting to use your new screens. Just do it with some of the lower nugs. They will dry faster usually.

Don't put fan leaves in your qwiso!!!!

That's the fastest way to get low quality!

Only sugar trim and nugs!

Thundercat said:

Don't put fan leaves in your qwiso!!!!

That's the fastest way to get low quality!

Only sugar trim and nugs!

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i def know the quality will suck on the fan leaves. i was just trying to get the trichs off the lower stems as they are pretty covered tbh. i thought a super quick rinse and filtering and winterizing it would cut down on the bad taste and color you get. i have run fan leaves in the past just not alone. the quality is def noticeably worse and if not careful even groww, but you can still cook with it.

outliergenetix said:

okay i will give up the idea of bouncing the fan leaves. i already figured this was not gonna get me anything, as i told others i am just impatient and wanted too use my screens that are sitting here unused. i totally agree with your drying points tho. this is what concerned me about doing it. a cpl of mine are way to small compared to previous grows so i was already worried even leaving the fan leaves on it would dry to quick. nothing ruins a harvest like a fast dry imo. personally i don't understand how ppl wet trim and cut nugs off the stem when wet. unless you live in a rainforest that shit will definitely suffer lol. maybe i will do as @Thundercat says and just qwiso the fan leaves and bounce the buds and sugar leaves
thanks for all your input everyone. i love hearing diff opinions

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I agree, I struggle here with the RH and how fast my plants dry. I have yet to set up a tent or designate a room for it, which I will do if I can’t figure it out. I’m just experimenting currently. I wouldn’t qwiso the fan leaves, they go in my compost, but that’s just me.

If you’re intent on using the fan leaves, use them for butter or oil and cooking.

Thundercat said:

Just FYI I grow small single cola plants in a SOG. Removing the fan leaves doesn't make them dry to fast here. But I'm in an area that gets humidity.

As far as wanting to use your new screens. Just do it with some of the lower nugs. They will dry faster usually.

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How many days does it take for them to dry?

ChronicWonders. said:

If you’re intent on using the fan leaves, use them for butter or oil and cooking.

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Yep this .

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How many days does it take for them to dry?

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Usually 7-10 days depending on my humidity I don't have a controlled room even after all these years.

I remove all fan leaves an hang them. 7-10 days later when they are slightly crispy on the outside but still soft inside, I remove them from the stems and put them in a paper shopping bag. Everyday I check on them once usually. I shake them around a little and stir them up. The paper bag allows the moisture to even out and the buds to come to a perfect texture/dryness. When they grind and smoke just right I take them from the paper bag, trim them up and jar/bag them. At this point they always smell dank going into the jars, and if you dried them right you won't have to "burp" the jars or use hygrometers or bovedas or any I that other hype stuff.

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Yep this .

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yea this is kinda what i was saying i did make butter or coconut oil when i ran shitty batches of trim before. i never ran just fan leaves tho and i am sure it is good for nothing but edibles.

as for who said run a sog, i have run sogs in the past. you can see in my partial grow journal last run i did 25 blue dream plants in single cola in a 30"x48" space 1 gallon pots. this in not the best way tho imo. yes it depends on strain, but it is way harder to get a good yeild in a sog. i am also not trying to grow for yield remotely. i waste allot of canopy seeing how plants grow untrimmed or not topped and trained. i am also new to pollen chucking so i am often not maximizing space because i cannot know the male female ratio before pre-flower starts. basically i run full 10 packs of two strains and flower the females in the space at 30-60 days veg no training regardless of size and number of females etc as my goal is to F2 or cross with pollen i collect. i also want to learnthe plants un trained growth patterns to better meet any breeding goals i have. it is also way to hard to branch pollinate and brown bag stems in a sog.
the determining factor for veg time for me is are they big enough to talke a healthy clone then let em grow for another 2 weeks before fli[p

Thundercat said:

Usually 7-10 days depending on my humidity I don't have a controlled room even after all these years.

I remove all fan leaves an hang them. 7-10 days later when they are slightly crispy on the outside but still soft inside, I remove them from the stems and put them in a paper shopping bag. Everyday I check on them once usually. I shake them around a little and stir them up. The paper bag allows the moisture to even out and the buds to come to a perfect texture/dryness. When they grind and smoke just right I take them from the paper bag, trim them up and jar/bag them. At this point they always smell dank going into the jars, and if you dried them right you won't have to "burp" the jars or use hygrometers or bovedas or any I that other hype stuff.

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lol you do exactly what i do, right down to the shopping bag, except i have left fan leaves on mostly to slow dry even more. i knock em off as they turn to dust. i just feel anything less than 7 days drying is not good. i strive for 10 for sure

Thundercat said:

Usually 7-10 days depending on my humidity I don't have a controlled room even after all these years.

I remove all fan leaves an hang them. 7-10 days later when they are slightly crispy on the outside but still soft inside, I remove them from the stems and put them in a paper shopping bag. Everyday I check on them once usually. I shake them around a little and stir them up. The paper bag allows the moisture to even out and the buds to come to a perfect texture/dryness. When they grind and smoke just right I take them from the paper bag, trim them up and jar/bag them. At this point they always smell dank going into the jars, and if you dried them right you won't have to "burp" the jars or use hygrometers or bovedas or any I that other hype stuff.

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I also haven’t established a room or separate tent for drying, but will be my next move if I can’t get these next couple attempts down. My plants are drying way too fast and I’m losing all the goodness.

outliergenetix said:

yea this is kinda what i was saying i did make butter or coconut oil when i ran shitty batches of trim before. i never ran just fan leaves tho and i am sure it is good for nothing but edibles.

as for who said run a sog, i have run sogs in the past. you can see in my partial grow journal last run i did 25 blue dream plants in single cola in a 30"x48" space 1 gallon pots. this in not the best way tho imo. yes it depends on strain, but it is way harder to get a good yeild in a sog. i am also not trying to grow for yield remotely. i waste allot of canopy seeing how plants grow untrimmed or not topped and trained. i am also new to pollen chucking so i am often not maximizing space because i cannot know the male female ratio before pre-flower starts. basically i run full 10 packs of two strains and flower the females in the space at 30-60 days veg no training regardless of size and number of females etc as my goal is to F2 or cross with pollen i collect. i also want to learnthe plants un trained growth patterns to better meet any breeding goals i have. it is also way to hard to branch pollinate and bown bag stems in a sog.
the determining factor for veg time for me is are they big enough to talke a healthy clone then let em grow for another 2 weeks before fli[p

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I actually said that "I" run a SOG. The plants stay smaller and still dry well without fan leaves.