Who Was Jesus? What Did He Teach? Letting His Words Do The Talking!

canuckgrow

canuckgrow

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Well I'll chime in here. If there is a god or Jesus that is all seeing and all loving why are there so many people suffering and dieing needlessly in this world? I mean really if god existed I think a good time to show up would have been say around the holocaust. Or take your pick of events that could have turned out so much better with just a little help from a god or a jesus. The bible is a collection of stories written over hundreds and some would say thousands of years if you include all the revisions you see today.

If anyone says that "god works in strange ways" I'm gonna hurl chunks soaked in bong water at 'em...No he doesn't work in strange ways...He just doesn't work.
I asked Jesus or god to show me one thing....just one little thing to let me know that they exist.....That was 30 years ago and I have yet to get an answer. Not even a "hang on we are working on it" no "Your call is in priority sequence and will be answered by the next available Jesus"nothing, Nada, Zip, zilch. Meanwhile on the other side of it a man blindlessy follows his faith in Jesus for 60 years living as the bible wanted him too. Same man lost all 3 of his kids at a young age to different events, Wife she is dead too, Poor chap starved to death in his old broken down house waiting for Jesus to bring him some groceries. He must have been too busy that day or maybe this guy just wasn't religious enough to warrant being saved LOL....What a crappapalooza. But hey whatever floats your boat or trips your trigger(Appropriate)
This is close to home but may shed some light on the subject. My 17 year old daughter is dieing of cancer. Her Mother and her mothers religous friends have been having a hay day prayer fest asking god or jesus to"help" my daughter. Trouble is she is getting sicker and sicker each passing week so it appears that the prayers are actually having a negative effect at this point. So go ahead all you "faithful" and put some "real thought" on that. i'll shoot you a PM when she does pass and we can discuss how your god failed yet again.
 
Tym

Tym

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crackerboy said:
Ok well if the person that made that claim also gave me a book. And when I read that book strange and miraculous things began to happen to me, then yes I would begin to believe. But wait, the more I believed in what is said the more began to work within me. So yes if all these things where actually happening to me than I would believe. Oh wait, that is what has happened to me.
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Just yes or no man.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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crackerboy said:
No really just address that one issue. Why is it that the majority of the people on earth believe in a God? You won't address it because you can't come up with a logical reason. Just because you don't understand it does not make it wrong.
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The majority of the people in this world might actually believe in a god but you made a claim that a majority actually "experienced" god. Would you care to support that claim with actual evidence?
 
Tyrannabudz

Tyrannabudz

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Everyone laughed at a joke, as if they never even heard it before.
And maybe they were truly amused, but every word that she spoke was a bore.
And maybe it's because they had seen, the previews on the TV screen.
Well this part is good and that's well understood,
so you should laugh if you know what I mean.

But it's all relative.
Even if you don't understand,
well it's all understood.
Especially when you don't understand.
And it's all just because.
Even if we don't understand,
and it's all just believe.

Everyone knows what went down.
Because the news was spread all over town.
Fact is only what you believe.
Fact & fiction work as a team.
It's almost always fiction,
in the end the content begins to bend
when context is never the same.

But it's all relative.
Even if we don't understand,
and it's all understood.
Especially when you don't understand.
And it's all just because.
Even if we don't understand.
And it's all just believe.

I believe I was reading a book,
or maybe it was a magazine.
Suggestions on where to place faith.
Suggestions on what to believe.
But I read somewhere that you've got to beware
you can't believe anything you read.
But the GOOD BOOK is good and thats well understood
so don't even question it if you know what I mean.

But it's all relative.
Even if you don't understand.
And it's all understood.
Especially when we don't understand.
And it's all just because.
Even if we you don't understand.
And it's all just believe.

There you go once again,
you missed the point,
and then you point your fingrers at me.
And say that I said not to believe.
But I believe.

It's all relative, I guess.

-Jack Johnson "It's All Understood"
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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crackerboy said:
Ok well if the person that made that claim also gave me a book. And when I read that book strange and miraculous things began to happen to me, then yes I would begin to believe. But wait, the more I believed in what is said the more began to work within me. So yes if all these things where actually happening to me than I would believe. Oh wait, that is what has happened to me.
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LOL. I'm becoming more and more convinced that crackerboy is a troll. I mean he SEEMS fairly intelligent, until he starts talking about religion. Once the topic of religion or god enters his brain all logic goes right out the window and he becomes retarded. Or he is a troll. Not sure which is the most likely. If he is being serious then he is pretty gullible. I was going to follow suit and post a definition, but gullible isn't even in the dictionary.
 
crackerboy

crackerboy

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canuckgrow said:
Well I'll chime in here. If there is a god or Jesus that is all seeing and all loving why are there so many people suffering and dieing needlessly in this world? I mean really if god existed I think a good time to show up would have been say around the holocaust. Or take your pick of events that could have turned out so much better with just a little help from a god or a jesus. The bible is a collection of stories written over hundreds and some would say thousands of years if you include all the revisions you see today.

If anyone says that "god works in strange ways" I'm gonna hurl chunks soaked in bong water at 'em...No he doesn't work in strange ways...He just doesn't work.
I asked Jesus or god to show me one thing....just one little thing to let me know that they exist.....That was 30 years ago and I have yet to get an answer. Not even a "hang on we are working on it" no "Your call is in priority sequence and will be answered by the next available Jesus"nothing, Nada, Zip, zilch. Meanwhile on the other side of it a man blindlessy follows his faith in Jesus for 60 years living as the bible wanted him too. Same man lost all 3 of his kids at a young age to different events, Wife she is dead too, Poor chap starved to death in his old broken down house waiting for Jesus to bring him some groceries. He must have been too busy that day or maybe this guy just wasn't religious enough to warrant being saved LOL....What a crappapalooza. But hey whatever floats your boat or trips your trigger(Appropriate)
This is close to home but may shed some light on the subject. My 17 year old daughter is dieing of cancer. Her Mother and her mothers religous friends have been having a hay day prayer fest asking god or jesus to"help" my daughter. Trouble is she is getting sicker and sicker each passing week so it appears that the prayers are actually having a negative effect at this point. So go ahead all you "faithful" and put some "real thought" on that. i'll shoot you a PM when she does pass and we can discuss how your god failed yet again.
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Im sorry about your daughter. But if it is her time than it is her time. It is common for people to blame God when tragedy strikes. But all life ends. It can be difficult to let go. If your wife is a Christian than she should take comfort in the fact that she will be with Jesus. As hard as this may all seem to you, this is the natural process of life. If Jesus stepped in and saved everyone that prayed to him and asked for his help, no one would ever die. Again I am deeply sorry for your family and will pray that God brings you all some comfort.
 
crackerboy

crackerboy

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guy incognito said:
LOL. I'm becoming more and more convinced that crackerboy is a troll. I mean he SEEMS fairly intelligent, until he starts talking about religion. Once the topic of religion or god enters his brain all logic goes right out the window and he becomes retarded. Or he is a troll. Not sure which is the most likely. If he is being serious then he is pretty gullible. I was going to follow suit and post a definition, but gullible isn't even in the dictionary.
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ARRRG boogidy blah blah blah

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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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crackerboy said:
Look I totally get what a fallacy is. You are still ignoring the fact that is an enormous amount of people to be just a coincidence. All these people are not delusional. He is real.

Look I don't really care about making arguments on this point. As you said i made a statement. I just want all of you to ask yourselves the question of why is it that you are one of the few in this world that don't have that connection. Are you the elite or the deprived?
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Just about all of humanity from the dawn of civilization has believed in God. Before the enlightenment and scientific revolution it was mandatory or risk death. This is what has led to the majority of people, today, still believing in a god. Their parents did, and their parents before them did. We've all been over all the different aspects of indoctrination organized religion provides. That's another part of it, the irrational fear of hell.

The 14% nonreligious number is growing by the year. Will this argument remain valid (to you) once the majority is atheist?

canuckgrow said:
This is close to home but may shed some light on the subject. My 17 year old daughter is dieing of cancer. Her Mother and her mothers religous friends have been having a hay day prayer fest asking god or jesus to"help" my daughter. Trouble is she is getting sicker and sicker each passing week so it appears that the prayers are actually having a negative effect at this point. So go ahead all you "faithful" and put some "real thought" on that. i'll shoot you a PM when she does pass and we can discuss how your god failed yet again.
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I'm sorry for your circumstances. :cry:
 
canuckgrow

canuckgrow

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crackerboy said:
Im sorry about your daughter. But if it is her time than it is her time. It is common for people to blame God when tragedy strikes. But all life ends. It can be difficult to let go. If your wife is a Christian than she should take comfort in the fact that she will be with Jesus. As hard as this may all seem to you, this is the natural process of life. If Jesus stepped in and saved everyone that prayed to him and asked for his help, no one would ever die. Again I am deeply sorry for your family and will pray that God brings you all some comfort.
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I have no doubt that you truly feel for those who suffer needlessly and I agree that when it is your time it is your time. However your view on the natural order of things is somewhat unbalanced. Its totally natural to think that a supernatural being will take care of us when we die....That has no logic or rationale to it......Funny I knew almost verbatim what you would type before you actually posted it. Why? Because christians always say the same things when they are confronted with people that do not believe what they do. Well at least you didn't say that god has a plan....That is the most common response for christians.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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I love it. A thread about jesus and you state it's not about debate :lol: All i know is that all i ever hear from christians from my various camping experiences etc, is that all they say is how good life is going about their life knowing that there's some figment looking over their shoulder, how everything is managable because of this knowledge that they're being watched. Damn, i feel exactly the same wihtout the need for someone else to dump my shit on. I must just be a stronger minded human being than a lot i guess :D
 
Papa Raazi

Papa Raazi

Member
tip top toker said:
I love it. A thread about jesus and you state it's not about debate :lol: All i know is that all i ever hear from christians from my various camping experiences etc, is that all they say is how good life is going about their life knowing that there's some figment looking over their shoulder, how everything is managable because of this knowledge that they're being watched. Damn, i feel exactly the same wihtout the need for someone else to dump my shit on. I must just be a stronger minded human being than a lot i guess :D
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Alot stronger minded, keep being dope
 
Papa Raazi

Papa Raazi

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Anyway if you look at the first quote on my sig you will know how i feel about this. Fuck anything that divides people up, we are 1 race...the human race.
 
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weed4cash

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Actually the real Jesus would relate more to ATHIEST then to modern day Christians.

Jesus told Peter that he was satan because he wanted the world when Peter told Jesus he should not die on a cross. Jesus was trying to tell Peter that the Kindom of God was GODS WILL and not MANS.

Most of todays Christians worship Jesus in thought and by their lips but they don't really give a shit about one another.

Jesus said that it's better to care about your brother then to care about me. Jesus taught to love one another and in doing so you love Jesus.

Most Christians today think that to love Jesus you have to praise and sing about him and act like some holy light is piercing your soul every time you hear music.

It's all bull shit. Jesus will tell these people he never knew them. The real people who will be saved are those who help one another and the poor. If a Christian is not trying to help his fellow brother every chance he gets he is waisting his talents and will be cast out by God.

That's it in a nut shell.

Here are my scriptures to back up EVERY thing I say:

Jesus wants men to love each other and not him only:

If any man will give a child a cup of water in my name he will in no wise loose his reward.
I will have mercy not sacrafice
Pray for your enemie
Pray for those who dispitfully use you and mistreat you
If any man have aught against his brother, let him leave his gift at the alter and first go make amends with his brother.
Make amends with thy enemie will he is in thy path.
 
Tym

Tym

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weed4cash said:
Actually the real Jesus would relate more to ATHIEST then to modern day Christians.

Jesus told Peter that he was satan because he wanted the world when Peter told Jesus he should not die on a cross. Jesus was trying to tell Peter that the Kindom of God was GODS WILL and not MANS.

Most of todays Christians worship Jesus in thought and by their lips but they don't really give a shit about one another.

Jesus said that it's better to care about your brother then to care about me. Jesus taught to love one another and in doing so you love Jesus.

Most Christians today think that to love Jesus you have to praise and sing about him and act like some holy light is piercing your soul every time you hear music.

It's all bull shit. Jesus will tell these people he never knew them. The real people who will be saved are those who help one another and the poor. If a Christian is not trying to help his fellow brother every chance he gets he is waisting his talents and will be cast out by God.

That's it in a nut shell.

Here are my scriptures to back up EVERY thing I say:

Jesus wants men to love each other and not him only:

If any man will give a child a cup of water in my name he will in no wise loose his reward.
I will have mercy not sacrafice
Pray for your enemie
Pray for those who dispitfully use you and mistreat you
If any man have aught against his brother, let him leave his gift at the alter and first go make amends with his brother.
Make amends with thy enemie will he is in thy path.
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Actually no. The only thing that makes an atheist an atheist. Is the lack of belief in a god..
That is it. There is nothing else to atheism, don't believe in a god? You're an atheist. Nothing else is required..
Jesus (if he existed) believed in a god.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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I'm all for intelligent discussion and debate. Everyone needs to stop responding to weed4cash and crackerboy though. They are either trolls or too stupid to warrant a response. Maybe if we stop feeding them they will go away.
 
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