Who belives in this American Ideology

I live in Texas. Yes he was biased. You might want to look into his history alittle more. Plus look into our state goverment a little more too to see all the corruption. So no i dont by the report. That doesnt mean that all illeagals are bad people. You bring up white males raping children? That means nothing(on this discussion any way)....When i said illegals i didn't say Mexicans or Africans. I said illegals. Again I state I don't care were they come from if you are illegal immigrant or illegal alien. We are discussing the merits of this whole fucked situation. We will always have crime. We do not have to have illegals in our country. That is an avoidable expense on all of us. Nor have i said all illegals are bad people, but they are illegal and have no right to be here as they are not citizens. Please don't knick pick me on this and say people cant come to the US on vacation either. I have no issues with tourism. I my self love to travel. I respect the country's i go to though. I try to learn some of their language and culture....and I am just visiting. I treat people how i would want to be treated and expect and demand the same in return. I have no problems with people wanting to come to our counrty to improve their lives. We are all desendants from immigrants from other counrtys after all. SO you want to keep trying to bring up laws and how can one law be good and another not be....how about the laws that say it is illeagal to eat pussy or suck dick under any circumstances. Two concenting adults have the right to do as they please ot each other. Sorry some laws are bad and no i do not follow all laws. It is called common sence.

justlearning73 said:

I live in Texas. Yes he was biased.

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again, asserting something does not make it so.

why was he biased? how was his report biased? what were the flaws in his methodology?

justlearning73 said:

You bring up white males raping children? That means nothing(on this discussion any way)....When i said illegals i didn't say Mexicans or Africans. I said illegals.

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and i said 'white males'. there are also black males and asian males and south american females that rape kids.

my point was that crime is not unique to illegal immigrants.

justlearning73 said:

We do not have to have illegals in our country. That is an avoidable expense on all of us.

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no, it isn't avoidable. not at all.

want to know how 40% or more of all illegals got here?

legally.

justlearning73 said:

Sorry some laws are bad and no i do not follow all laws. It is called common sence.

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i believe in common sense as well.

some laws are bad. i believe our immigration laws are among them. we would benefit mightily from a common sense guest-worker program. it would allow the farmer to get the workers he needs and encourage more workers to become documented and pay taxes.

i think if you asked them, they would say it is common sense to break a bad law to feed their starving family. wouldn't you?

or, would you let your family starve in order to obey a bad law?

beardo said:

I lost my rights and was incarcerated for stealing.

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i don't like people that lie, cheat and steal.

what'd you steal?

I hope Uncle Buck is playing Devil's Advocate.

The Cryptkeeper said:

I hope Uncle Buck is playing Devil's Advocate.

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what do you mean? why would i sit here and let falsehoods prance around as truth?

better question, why would you?

UncleBuck said:

i don't like people that lie, cheat and steal.

what'd you steal?

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Neither do I at this point in my life. I think diffrent than I used to-I used to be a real asshole
got caught shop lifting numerous times once with over 600$ worth of DVD's

UncleBuck said:

what do you mean? why would i sit here and let falsehoods prance around as truth?

better question, why would you?

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I wouldn't. But this is a debate of opinions, not facts and falsehoods.

Because he makes money off the illegals, he was not just a comptroller he has his own business's as well. So does the state of Texas. That is documented. How most of the illegals get here is by crossing the border illegally. Yes I agree some do get here legally and then go illegal. That does not make it right. I understand crime is not unique to illegal immigrants but it is what we are discussing here is illegal immigrants. Their crimes are avoidable.
i think if you asked them, they would say it is common sense to break a bad law to feed their starving family. wouldn't you?
or, would you let your family starve in order to obey a bad law?
No i wouldn't. But then again I have been able to stay out of that situation. so let them stay in their country and steal from their countrymen to feed their family's.
By they way we already have that guest worker thing. I have worked with many a person who has done this at a high tech company here in Texas. They were people from China, India, Mexico and Canada. I had no issues with them. Again they went through the proper channels to get the proper paper work, why cant the rest of them? I know i seem a little harsh, but the reality is not everyone gets a trophy in this life time nor does everyone have it good. It is a part of life. Life is not fair and never will be. Yes I do practice what i preach by the way. Just ask my old Chapter in the MC i used to belong to, and was President of. I had to drop it all to take care of my family. Is it fair i had to lose something very special to me, no but it is life and i will go on.

beardo said:

If you can't get a job and they offer you one beating on your neoghbor and taking his shit you would probably take it if shit was bad enough especially if you were told it was the right thing to do. If you had to have a war to keep your house or job you would vote for it. the guy who gasses puppies at the animal shelter might not think it's super awesome but it 'has to be done' and it 'pays the bills' and 'puts food on the table' same as the guy who evicts you from your house-it's a job. In democracy people will vote for free lunches untill they run out then you have to vote to take someone elses lunch.
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Do illegals vote? Do they vote for more or less Govt and taxes? more or less welfare? more or less war? Dem or Repub?

beardo said:

Do illegals vote? Do they vote for more or less Govt and taxes? Dem or Repub?

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No. ......

The Cryptkeeper said:

No. ......

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So they just do whatever the fuck they want while your hindered by rules and regulations and proper procedures.

beardo said:

So they just do whatever the fuck they want while your hindered by rules and regulations and proper procedures.

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Just that. Well, they also participate in organized crime and also have yet another child so they can reap the benefits provided by the government. But beside those few things, and the things you said, and maybe a few things I might be forgetting, that's it.

UncleBuck said:

i don't like people that lie, cheat and steal.

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Then why are you proclaiming your support for illegal immigrants? Or do you only disapprove if it is an American doing these things?
If I cheat it is wrong if they cheat it is excusable? shouldn't I have at least as much rights as an illegal immigrant will get in my own country?
And why do you always drop out of debate or leave questions unanswered........

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UncleBuck said:

no, i am honestly picking on your 'victim' mentality.

it is pathetic, truth be told.

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You'd prolly be better off giving up, you're starting to fall apart here.

beardo said:

Neither do I at this point in my life. I think diffrent than I used to-I used to be a real asshole
got caught shop lifting numerous times once with over 600$ worth of DVD's

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i don't really have anything against you for that, i just imagined home invasion or stealing cars. or stealing from trusted friends. i had no idea you could lose your license forever for that.

once, when i was 15, a friend and i would steal all sorts of food from grocery stores just for fun. we never even ate the stuff for the most part, it was just for the rush of stealing. i'm lucky i never got popped for that.

I'm still out $8,000....

The Cryptkeeper said:

I wouldn't. But this is a debate of opinions, not facts and falsehoods.

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so when someone expresses a false opinion, should we not correct them?

for example, someone said earlier that 'most illegals are running drugs or escaping cartels', which is patently false. in this debate of opinions, should we disregard truth?

when someone expresses their opinion that 'we should deport all illegals', am i wrong to express my opinion about the impracticality and enormous cost of locating, tracking down, removing by force, and internationally transporting over 12 million people, many of them children who had no choice in their family's decision to move?

should i not express my opinion of the inhumanity involved with what happens to the children who are birthright citizens of this nation, yet whose family may be illegal?
that is a situation in which a citizen of our nation would be forcibly relocated or separated from their family for something that it had no choice over.

if someone expresses an opinion about what should happen, am i wrong to point out the practical consequences of that opinion?

i don't believe a debate about opinions is a debate at all. everyone simply throwing their opinions around is not a debate.

UncleBuck said:

so when someone expresses a false opinion, should we not correct them?

for example, someone said earlier that 'most illegals are running drugs or escaping cartels', which is patently false. in this debate of opinions, should we disregard truth?

when someone expresses their opinion that 'we should deport all illegals', am i wrong to express my opinion about the impracticality and enormous cost of locating, tracking down, removing by force, and internationally transporting over 12 million people, many of them children who had no choice in their family's decision to move?

should i not express my opinion of the inhumanity involved with what happens to the children who are birthright citizens of this nation, yet whose family may be illegal?
that is a situation in which a citizen of our nation would be forcibly relocated or separated from their family for something that it had no choice over.

if someone expresses an opinion about what should happen, am i wrong to point out the practical consequences of that opinion?

i don't believe a debate about opinions is a debate at all. everyone simply throwing their opinions around is not a debate.

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Dude....an illegal still owes me $8,000...Wtf.

UncleBuck said:

i don't really have anything against you for that, i just imagined home invasion or stealing cars. or stealing from trusted friends. i had no idea you could lose your license forever for that.

once, when i was 15, a friend and i would steal all sorts of food from grocery stores just for fun. we never even ate the stuff for the most part, it was just for the rush of stealing. i'm lucky i never got popped for that.

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License lost for having an old warrent I won't be able to get a licence unless I take care of that and I'm losing my eyesight and probably couldn't pass the eye exam anyways.
second amendment lost because stealing from a store is a felony- depends on the amount and the intent-IE did you have money when you went in the store.