White Widow X Bigbud

jujment699 said:

Didn't I read earlier in this thread that some dudes was like under 3 feet veg got like 9 feet tall?

I'm sure if the stretching is controlled with soluble and fans and air cooled lights it would be only 1 foot, but from nature? I feel it would stretch more.

Edit: oh in a greenhouse. Nvm lol.

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So they have grown about 8 inches in the last week.

The303Yeti said:

So they have grown about 8 inches in the last week.View attachment 3474518

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That is quite a lot. It has been two weeks since my flower.
My girls grew 2 inches overnight like I posted earlier because I left my fan off. But since I have had it blowing on blast they have only grown one more inch in the past 2 weeks!!! I was really impressed I was able to control the stretching! Imagine if I can keep them at only 3 inches of stretch through all of flowering, those will be some CRAZY dense buds!!! I'm expecting this!

Last time my plants stretched 12 inches and I got this -_-


Anyway here are the updates
Clones exploded in their cups! Transplant already in less than a week!

And my clone mother is massive, can't wait to flower

And here are the flowering girls

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jujment699 said:

That is quite a lot. It has been two weeks since my flower.
My girls grew 2 inches overnight like I posted earlier because I left my fan off. But since I have had it blowing on blast they have only grown one more inch in the past 2 weeks!!! I was really impressed I was able to control the stretching! Imagine if I can keep them at only 3 inches of stretch through all of flowering, those will be some CRAZY dense buds!!! I'm expecting this!
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Last time my plants stretched 12 inches and I got this -_-
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Anyway here are the updates
Clones exploded in their cups! Transplant already in less than a week!
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And my clone mother is massive, can't wait to flower
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And here are the flowering girls
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Man that must have sucked. That clone mother looks healthy though. Should pull some nice product. Are you turning lights off/ cooler Temps before harvest?

The303Yeti said:

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Man that must have sucked. That clone mother looks healthy though. Should pull some nice product. Are you turning lights off/ cooler Temps before harvest?

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During the first three weeks of flowering the plants go through this transition: first a high powered oscillating fan that when on you think might destroy your plants if you're not careful The fan forces them to use nitrogen to grow short, thick, and strong in the wind instead of tall and lanky.
Second is day and night temps I keep only ONE degree different. Equal temps causes lots of problems for flowering plants and they can begin to yellow due to stored chlorophyll, I believe.
But close enough temps inhibits the burning of nitrogen during the night causing the plant to not grow tall.
Another thing I do is stop giving nitrogen two weeks before flower because nitrogen is what the plants burn to stretch.
They are pretty much thinking "holy crap it's flowering, and I'm not even big yet, better hurry up!"

I do that for three weeks to all new flowering up and comers. You will see the fan works well.

Those would be the best ways to prevent it then after I do keep different day night temps. Ten degrees F lower at night.

WW x BB round 2. Going with the same nutes at a lower frequency. Also to assist in the problem of super large buds bending stems, I have pinched the tops more, have included soluble Silicone dust into the solution, and continue intensive supercropping to strengthen the stems. This is almost one week into bloom.

jujment699 said:

During the first three weeks of flowering the plants go through this transition: first a high powered oscillating fan that when on you think might destroy your plants if you're not careful The fan forces them to use nitrogen to grow short, thick, and strong in the wind instead of tall and lanky.
Second is day and night temps I keep only ONE degree different. Equal temps causes lots of problems for flowering plants and they can begin to yellow due to stored chlorophyll, I believe.
But close enough temps inhibits the burning of nitrogen during the night causing the plant to not grow tall.
Another thing I do is stop giving nitrogen two weeks before flower because nitrogen is what the plants burn to stretch.
They are pretty much thinking "holy crap it's flowering, and I'm not even big yet, better hurry up!"

I do that for three weeks to all new flowering up and comers. You will see the fan works well.

Those would be the best ways to prevent it then after I do keep different day night temps. Ten degrees F lower at night.

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I'm not sure I completely understand what you are explaining here. I'm not going to say it's incorrect because everybody's grows are unique to their particular growing environment. However, I don't believe the factors you list are primary causes or solutions to "stretch". I agree a plant requires air flow and moderate temperatures, and nitrogen, but to say by altering these things you can influence stretch is, in itself, a stretch
I believe stretch is primarily influenced by strain, and even more so by phenotype within the strain. Light is also a significant factor of course... We've all seen those seeings started in weak light windowsills. This same principal applies to flowering plants of course.
I will stand corrected however for stating that this strain would top out at 2 meters... These are nearly that tall and they haven't even started flowering.

Maat Aatack said:

WW x BB round 2. Going with the same nutes at a lower frequency. Also to assist in the problem of super large buds bending stems, I have pinched the tops more, have included soluble Silicone dust into the solution, and continue intensive supercropping to strengthen the stems. This is almost one week into bloom.

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Super cropping is my personal favorite dude!!! They always get MASSIVE!!!! I will super crop sativas because they recover so well, and you can get mountainous colas! But I usually do a mix of lst as well.

Maat Aatack said:

I'm not sure I completely understand what you are explaining here. I'm not going to say it's incorrect because everybody's grows are unique to their particular growing environment. However, I don't believe the factors you list are primary causes or solutions to "stretch". I agree a plant requires air flow and moderate temperatures, and nitrogen, but to say by altering these things you can influence stretch is, in itself, a stretch
I believe stretch is primarily influenced by strain, and even more so by phenotype within the strain. Light is also a significant factor of course... We've all seen those seeings started in weak light windowsills. This same principal applies to flowering plants of course.
I will stand corrected however for stating that this strain would top out at 2 meters... These are nearly that tall and they haven't even started flowering.

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I totally agree man. Strain is a big one. But knowing this strain so far to be a big stretcher I am extremely impressed I've kept it under 3 inches in over two weeks, most reports give at least a foot of stretch in the first 2 weeks.

This is just simply my process and I've found it to at least universally prevent stretching by about 50%.
Some strains like indicas I can control by higher margins like 80-90 % but with sativas... Usually never that tight.

You seem pretty educated with growing as well maat attack. I'd like to hear some of your experiments! It's good to question methods so they can be improved, only thing is a lot of people speak from experience but not the same experience

What up everybody I happen to be growing some WWxBB, a little about my setup, 4 girls growing in a 5x5 tent with Promix soil and a 600w hps.

Everything has been pretty much smooth sailing, took these pics yesterday which was day 48 of flowering. Was wondering how much longer do you guys think I should let them go, I will be ordering a jeweler's loupe later on this month.

Enigmatic Ways said:

What up everybody I happen to be growing some WWxBB, a little about my setup, 4 girls growing in a 5x5 tent with Promix soil and a 600w hps.

Everything has been pretty much smooth sailing, took these pics yesterday which was day 48 of flowering. Was wondering how much longer do you guys think I should let them go, I will be ordering a jeweler's loupe later on this month.

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how far away is your light there in flowering...????? 600w

Enigmatic Ways said:

What up everybody I happen to be growing some WWxBB, a little about my setup, 4 girls growing in a 5x5 tent with Promix soil and a 600w hps.

Everything has been pretty much smooth sailing, took these pics yesterday which was day 48 of flowering. Was wondering how much longer do you guys think I should let them go, I will be ordering a jeweler's loupe later on this month.

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Hey,
its hard to tell because the trichomes say everything. The colas are nice but 48 days of flowering is not close to enough in my opinion. Most strain reports including ones from @Maat Aatack says that its more of a 10-12 week finisher.

Here s a really good way without using a jewlers loupe. If you have a smart phone, on the store look up an app called "zoom" or "zoom camera" and an app that zooms over 30x will be one of the first results! Make sure to turn your flashlight ON. And to take the plants OUT of the flower room, 2700K light makes trichomes look deceivingly ready. My camera is awesome tho! That is what i used before i could find a loupe (Because honestly they are scarce unless you buy online.) And it works perfectly fine, try it out and post pictures! Heres a pic i took with my phone!

This is a plant a few days before it is ready. Notice the cloudy mushroom heads how they bend over like they are sagging. Its because they are loaded with THC. But all those clear straight ones are no good yet.

You will see some amber ones, that indicates they are getting close, too much amber trichomes and all you will have is nyquil in weed form. sleep medicine.

lonzo212 said:

how far away is your light there in flowering...????? 600w

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I have two ladies that are 3 feet tall and then I have another two that's about 2 1/2 feet tall so the light is 20 inches away from the tallest ones.

jujment699 said:

Hey,
its hard to tell because the trichomes say everything. The colas are nice but 48 days of flowering is not close to enough in my opinion. Most strain reports including ones from @Maat Aatack says that its more of a 10-12 week finisher.

Here s a really good way without using a jewlers loupe. If you have a smart phone, on the store look up an app called "zoom" or "zoom camera" and an app that zooms over 30x will be one of the first results! Make sure to turn your flashlight ON. And to take the plants OUT of the flower room, 2700K light makes trichomes look deceivingly ready. My camera is awesome tho! That is what i used before i could find a loupe (Because honestly they are scarce unless you buy online.) And it works perfectly fine, try it out and post pictures! Heres a pic i took with my phone!

This is a plant a few days before it is ready. Notice the cloudy mushroom heads how they bend over like they are sagging. Its because they are loaded with THC. But all those clear straight ones are no good yet.

You will see some amber ones, that indicates they are getting close, too much amber trichomes and all you will have is nyquil in weed form. sleep medicine.

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Thanks, yea I was planning on letting them go for 70 days, ok once I download the app and take some shots I'll definitely post them.

lonzo212 said:

how far away is your light there in flowering...????? 600w

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You high bro? xD What information could you collect about his light height that could reveal the maturity of his plants? XD
DOn't worry im high too :3

ubernuber said:

You high bro? xD What information could you collect about his light height that could reveal the maturity of his plants? XD
DOn't worry im high too :3

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I am also high lol. Watching dexter ATM with my 2 footer quintuple percolator

jujment699 said:

I am also high lol. Watching dexter ATM with my 2 footer quintuple percolator View attachment 3475226

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I should really get a bong ....

jujment699 said:

Super cropping is my personal favorite dude!!! They always get MASSIVE!!!! I will super crop sativas because they recover so well, and you can get mountainous colas! But I usually do a mix of lst as well.
I totally agree man. Strain is a big one. But knowing this strain so far to be a big stretcher I am extremely impressed I've kept it under 3 inches in over two weeks, most reports give at least a foot of stretch in the first 2 weeks.

This is just simply my process and I've found it to at least universally prevent stretching by about 50%.
Some strains like indicas I can control by higher margins like 80-90 % but with sativas... Usually never that tight.

You seem pretty educated with growing as well maat attack. I'd like to hear some of your experiments! It's good to question methods so they can be improved, only thing is a lot of people speak from experience but not the same experience

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Hey thanks for not getting all bent out of shape from a difference of opinion... Far too often these strings turn into ego projectors instead of the valuable tools to share info like they can be.
My own experience prior to this last grow is limited to long term interest and about 5 other grows, one indoor and the rest outdoor. I have a degree in horticulture pretty much because I've wanted to grow seriously my entire life. Being able to do so legally has given me the time, space, and freedom to get into it on a deeper level.

So yea, wwxbb was my choise to grow because of its apparent ease to grow and its dominant indica genetics. As it turns out it's a monster producer. As far as potency, well it has potential. I think if pushed to 10-11 weeks of flowering lights, and if the right phenotype is found, this strain is a winner imo.

Enigmatic Ways said:

What up everybody I happen to be growing some WWxBB, a little about my setup, 4 girls growing in a 5x5 tent with Promix soil and a 600w hps.

Everything has been pretty much smooth sailing, took these pics yesterday which was day 48 of flowering. Was wondering how much longer do you guys think I should let them go, I will be ordering a jeweler's loupe later on this month.

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Haha! Looks very familiar! I know those colas are impressive! Are these clones or seed? What breeder?
What nutes are you using?

Maat Aatack said:

Haha! Looks very familiar! I know those colas are impressive! Are these clones or seed? What breeder?
What nutes are you using?

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Thanks, they were seeds from a company called Female Seeds, I'm using Advanced Nutrients.

Maat Aatack said:

I should really get a bong ....

Hey thanks for not getting all bent out of shape from a difference of opinion... Far too often these strings turn into ego projectors instead of the valuable tools to share info like they can be.
My own experience prior to this last grow is limited to long term interest and about 5 other grows, one indoor and the rest outdoor. I have a degree in horticulture pretty much because I've wanted to grow seriously my entire life. Being able to do so legally has given me the time, space, and freedom to get into it on a deeper level.

So yea, wwxbb was my choise to grow because of its apparent ease to grow and its dominant indica genetics. As it turns out it's a monster producer. As far as potency, well it has potential. I think if pushed to 10-11 weeks of flowering lights, and if the right phenotype is found, this strain is a winner imo.

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You make a good point. It's crazy how many pheno types there are.

Have you considered breeding?

This is of course my first time with wwxbb so I have yet to taste this "mediocre potency." However, this strain being indica dominant it would be easy to boost it's potency by mating it with a parent strain.

I have often thought since white widow is a South American/South Indian based sativa/indica hybrid I could mate it with a parent of that inheritance, since white widow is technically considered a parent these days. Doing this would produce an F1 hybrid (two true bred parents) which obviously is what you'd want considering they grow like 15%-25% faster.

Obviously due to phenotype a and chromosomes this would be a hit and miss at first.

What I plan to do is mate two wwxbb. Right now I have sprayed colloidal silver on one of my females. That way I can keep the breeding female for my first seeds. This will produce a true bred seed that I will then plant and grow. As this seed is grown into a beautiful girl I will start finding another strain of similar inheritance, similar dominant traits, and also itself, a very reliable true bred. It is best to find a male that is of the same stature, same general build, and has outweighing differences in terms of potency, and sturdiness. (Since WW is so weak.) using colloidal female pollen sacks for this step is an extreme risk in making sure your final product is an f1, at least in my experience. My last cross mating with feminized seeds resulted in very weak characteristics like weak stems and slow growth, So it's best to be safe with a male.

At this point you'll have an F1 stocked with hybrid vigor, you'll still be keeping 10/20 dominant traits. So in our situations we would want to select a strain that is equal in traits to the wwxbb but with it's 10 other traits you could select a sturdier plant with better potency, faster growing, better tasting bud than the traditional strain (and you'll get to name it!!)

I have mated before but tell me if my theories are incorrect because I have made strains simply of experimentation and not knowledge but I do have enough xp under my belt to be able to control most traits.

Ps. Can't believe you don't have a bong!

white widow is incredibly old. Mr nice guy invented it forever ago, and its only like 12% thc now... this would pretty much be like a strain reinvention you're talking about here

jujment699 said:

You make a good point. It's crazy how many pheno types there are.

Have you considered breeding?

This is of course my first time with wwxbb so I have yet to taste this "mediocre potency." However, this strain being indica dominant it would be easy to boost it's potency by mating it with a parent strain.

I have often thought since white widow is a South American/South Indian based sativa/indica hybrid I could mate it with a parent of that inheritance, since white widow is technically considered a parent these days. Doing this would produce an F1 hybrid (two true bred parents) which obviously is what you'd want considering they grow like 15%-25% faster.

Obviously due to phenotype a and chromosomes this would be a hit and miss at first.

What I plan to do is mate two wwxbb. Right now I have sprayed colloidal silver on one of my females. That way I can keep the breeding female for my first seeds. This will produce a true bred seed that I will then plant and grow. As this seed is grown into a beautiful girl I will start finding another strain of similar inheritance, similar dominant traits, and also itself, a very reliable true bred. It is best to find a male that is of the same stature, same general build, and has outweighing differences in terms of potency, and sturdiness. (Since WW is so weak.) using colloidal female pollen sacks for this step is an extreme risk in making sure your final product is an f1, at least in my experience. My last cross mating with feminized seeds resulted in very weak characteristics like weak stems and slow growth, So it's best to be safe with a male.

At this point you'll have an F1 stocked with hybrid vigor, you'll still be keeping 10/20 dominant traits. So in our situations we would want to select a strain that is equal in traits to the wwxbb but with it's 10 other traits you could select a sturdier plant with better potency, faster growing, better tasting bud than the traditional strain (and you'll get to name it!!)

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Breeding is definitely of interest to me, but I currently lack the time and space in order to do it AND continue with production. Also being new to growing seriously, I'm not sure which genetics I will consider using in any future breeding project. I like the idea of starting with the basics and going from there, so starting with genetics that are foundational is interesting to me. Whether anything worth wile can be created that hasn't already been created with old-school genetics I'm not sure of.... Just a bit of nostalgic fancy I guess, which coincidentally is another reason why I chose to grow this strain.