White Widow on life support.... to chop or not to chop....

Damn, my flower room has drastically gone downhill this week.
I'm not sure what hurt my ladies more... my slight overdose of CalMag, or one hot 90F day.

either way... HELP!?!?!

I flushed the crap out of her yesterday....ran at least 25 gal of water through her.
After flushing, I added a light dose of Fox Farms Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom, in hopes of supplying enough potassium to stall the browning.
This lady is just about to finish week 8 of flower...plenty of trichs... but those browning leaves smell like SHIT! (and not in a good ganja way either)

my big question is... should I chop it since all the leaves are dead or dying?
or should I try and let it finish?
she is only in week 8 of flower.

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How long were they exposed to 90 degree heat?

from what I can tell... it was only a few hours during it's night cycle...

if it wasnt the heat...I'm betting it is Potassium lockout due to too much Ca.

My biggest question is...should I chop? or risk wilting buds?

... I had one a week ago with similar symptoms and I had to chop because the bud tops were getting crispy.
she had just started week 8 of flower (breeder recommends 8 wk flower)
it's drying now..and has a weed like aroma when you are a few feet from it... but up close...fucking pine-cones.

I'm hoping my flush does something.... I'm so discouraged.
I've come so far with these plants only to have them die a week or two before completion.
fuck

is this ur first grow?? smell and good taste doesnt fully develop until ater proper harvest my friend

Looks like an overdose to me. If you cut it now it may not taste so good. I guess I would take my chances on flushing as much nutes out as possible and maybe grow it another week or two.

lilrob1887 said:

is this ur first grow?? smell and good taste doesnt fully develop until ater proper harvest my friend

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2nd year growing indoor....

I know, I'm not a complete idiot... but my flower room isnt supposed to smell like browning, dying wilting plants either!!!
the one I harvested was premature...and I dont want to harvest the next one unless it's in danger of loosing buds.
Which is the direction that potassium deficiency goes into from what I understand.

This is super frustrating to me
....I make one newb post on RIU and 1000 people post within 5 minutes to tell me I'm an idiot.
...I make a serious 'help my plant' post and get no real response while I get to sit here and watch my plant die.


I'm not asking advice on the plant I already chopped..
I want to know if I should risk leaving this lady on the stalk for another week or two.

Please SOMEONE give me some REAL advice!!

70's natureboy said:

Looks like an overdose to me. If you cut it now it may not taste so good. I guess I would take my chances on flushing as much nutes out as possible and maybe grow it another week or two.

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what do I do if I feel the top buds getting crispy?
should I worry? or should I just add more potassium?

Well, you have two options: cut the rest now and hope that you'll recover your aroma through curing, or you can try to add a mild to medium dose of veg nutes. Something with more Nitrogen. The Nitrogen will be used to repair whats left of the leafs. At this point in the race, you don't have many options. And it wasn't the heat. MJ is suppossed to live in hot climates, a few hours of hot heat won't make it do that.

I am so sorry to hear of this. Its not the heat. At this point I'd flush the hell out of her, move her into a position where she gets good light but not right directly under your lamp. I fear this didnt happen overnight for you. Looks like a serious overdose of something or some combo of things. What were you feeding them and at what strengths and frequency? I have also done this before and my problems were ph was way off and I overfed. And no the buds should not be crispy.

SeeRockCity said:

from what I can tell... it was only a few hours during it's night cycle...

if it wasnt the heat...I'm betting it is Potassium lockout due to too much Ca.

My biggest question is...should I chop? or risk wilting buds?

... I had one a week ago with similar symptoms and I had to chop because the bud tops were getting crispy.
she had just started week 8 of flower (breeder recommends 8 wk flower)
it's drying now..and has a weed like aroma when you are a few feet from it... but up close...fucking pine-cones.

I'm hoping my flush does something.... I'm so discouraged.
I've come so far with these plants only to have them die a week or two before completion.
fuck

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Well if it is not heat related, then flush to resolve any lockout issues and add high P bat guano, it's very hard to give our ladies to much Phosphorous and cause any toxicity from it. However you can lock it out via PH or excess Fe or Zn.
By the way too much Nitrogen and Calcium will cause a potassium lock out which cause leaves to curl and die as well.

So my friend either way, I'd flush, ensure pH is in the 6.8 range and give her a good dose of the P and K.

I would cut out the bad looking leaves. (the ones with black patches)
Then I would flush once, to get rid of the excesses. (dont overdo it, I read somewhere on RIU 4 gallon per 1 gallon pot volume)
Place the plant out of direct light, a bit out to the side.
Next I would try lowering the temperature in the pot (17 / 19 deg), reducing water transport and nutes absorption.
Make sure the air temperature is only a few degrees higher.
Slow down watering to a medium level every other day.
Stop anything that has to do with the plant to give it as much of revive time as possible.
No extra flushing, no touching the pot, no touching any of the plant.
Make sure it gets clean fresh air throughout the day and night.
After three or four days I would up the temperature of the plant to 20 / 21 deg and keep an eye on the water absorption, if it takes, its positive.

After this I believe the plant "could" start to display healthy symptons again.
And you could up the things again: place under light, more water, increase temperatures.

Some of the above steps I used myself, others I read about and wrote down in my own notes.

Personally I would see it like its a sick child, any disturbance will give a negative influence to its recovery.
Of course I can not garuantee it will work, but I its how I would approach it.

SeeRockCity said:

2nd year growing indoor....

I know, I'm not a complete idiot... but my flower room isnt supposed to smell like browning, dying wilting plants either!!!
the one I harvested was premature...and I dont want to harvest the next one unless it's in danger of loosing buds.
Which is the direction that potassium deficiency goes into from what I understand.

This is super frustrating to me
....I make one newb post on RIU and 1000 people post within 5 minutes to tell me I'm an idiot.
...I make a serious 'help my plant' post and get no real response while I get to sit here and watch my plant die.


I'm not asking advice on the plant I already chopped..
I want to know if I should risk leaving this lady on the stalk for another week or two.

Please SOMEONE give me some REAL advice!!

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Sorry I didn't say it in PLAIN english in my other post, but what I meant, was from what you have said you did, and what is going on, I would leave her and wait it out.

SeeRockCity said:

from what I can tell... it was only a few hours during it's night cycle...

if it wasnt the heat...I'm betting it is Potassium lockout due to too much Ca.

My biggest question is...should I chop? or risk wilting buds?

... I had one a week ago with similar symptoms and I had to chop because the bud tops were getting crispy.
she had just started week 8 of flower (breeder recommends 8 wk flower)
it's drying now..and has a weed like aroma when you are a few feet from it... but up close...fucking pine-cones.

I'm hoping my flush does something.... I'm so discouraged.
I've come so far with these plants only to have them die a week or two before completion.
fuck

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SeaRockCity,

I meant to ask you growing in soil correct?
Also what brand type calmag are you adding?
How many parts to a gallon of water mixed?
Wouldn't hurt could help to add some SUPERthrive

1-Naphthaleneacetic acid (syn. 1-Napthyl acetic acid), a plant hormone, one of the active ingredients in SUPERthrive

ok folks... first let me start by saying...
sorry for the arrogant tone.. I was panicked and extremely upset.
sorry for being rude...

anyway..
Here was the action taken:

I flushed the hell out of her two days ago..light soil conditioner (bigbloom) and even lighter Tiger Bloom
dimmed my ballast to 50% (600W HPS btw)
been pruning all the dead leaves off, without touching the buds

during it's last night cycle, I trimmed off the top buds that were most threatened by the wilting.
they were probably only 3-5 days from being fully done (breeder said 8wk flower time)

since the bottom buds are considerably smaller and still have a chance I figured I'd experiment and try to recover the plant and continue to fatten them..worth a shot right?
I have two others with the same condition..but they are considerably earlier in development.

DANKSWAG, I do have some Superthrive...but and SCARED AS HELL OF IT!
The first year I grew, I used a lot of bag seed and tried giving 1 drop in one gallon of spring water,
gave it to all my plants in about the 3rd week of veg.
They all died withing 24 hours.

I know it's probably a combination of whatever soil and nutrients I was using at the time...and other idiot newb mistakes.

I am growing in soil: 1/3 perlite 1/3 vermiculite 1/3 organic soil
I got CalMag Pro and fed about one 1/2 tbs per quart of water <---probably my fatal error)

I also use the Fox Farm basic three on the schedule for soil.
a pinch of Humbolt Nutrients BigUp every two weeks in flower
Unsulferd molasses (in moderation so as not to cause lockout... 1/4 tsp /quart once a week)
I was using Epsom before I got the CalMag...extremely liberal too... didnt even measure..just kind of dumped it in <---- I know, I know...not something I'm gonna do again.

thank you all for your time...happy 420

Actually it could very well be the type of calmag you added. Who makes the calmag pro? Is it nitrite base or carbonate?
That is to say what is the sources of the calmag? If you used a nitrate which is for hydro then that explains a lot.

General Organics makes a CaMa+ supplement for soil, it is made from carbonates not nitrates.
Use it per directions or one TBS Epson salt per gallon h20.

Never use a Cal Mag supplement that is nitrate base in soil.

DANKSWAG said:

Actually it could very well be the type of calmag you added. Who makes the calmag pro? Is it nitrite base or carbonate?
That is to say what is the sources of the calmag? If you used a nitrate which is for hydro then that explains a lot.

General Organics makes a CaMa+ supplement for soil, it is made from carbonates not nitrates.
Use it per directions or one TBS Epson salt per gallon h20.

Never use a Cal Mag supplement that is nitrate base in soil.

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This is what I used:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000J2CUPW

It's made by Botanicare..I think I used it two feedings in a row...before this tragedy happened.

I wish someone had mentioned that when I was asking about Calcium deficiency and told me to go use CalMag.
I had no clue there was a difference!!

SeeRockCity said:

This is what I used:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000J2CUPW

It's made by Botanicare..I think I used it two feedings in a row...before this tragedy happened.

I wish someone had mentioned that when I was asking about Calcium deficiency and told me to go use CalMag.
I had no clue there was a difference!!

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Yeah that is definitely your problem is the kind of Cal Mag supplement you used.

This is the kind you want to use General Organics CaMg+

daaaaaaaamn!!!

wish I had known that.
there goes 4 plants!!

Glad I have my veg stocked and ready to fill the need!

SeeRockCity said:

daaaaaaaamn!!!

wish I had known that.
there goes 4 plants!!

Glad I have my veg stocked and ready to fill the need!

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Hopefully you can flush it all out of your soil and replenish the soil with tailored supplements.
Be careful to not use hydro supplements in soil. I almost made that same mistake when I wanted a cal mag supplement that was more complete
than Epson salt. Fortunately my local indoor garden expert caught me before I purchased the same product you used, I am so thankful they were looking after me. Now even more so seeing how this has locked out your babies from getting what they need. So very sorry, what thread was it your were advised to get a cal mag supplement?

DANKSWAG said:

Hopefully you can flush it all out of your soil and replenish the soil with tailored supplements.
Be careful to not use hydro supplements in soil. I almost made that same mistake when I wanted a cal mag supplement that was more complete
than Epson salt. Fortunately my local indoor garden expert caught me before I purchased the same product you used, I am so thankful they were looking after me. Now even more so seeing how this has locked out your babies from getting what they need. So very sorry, what thread was it your were advised to get a cal mag supplement?

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Yeah, I gave them a good flush and harvested the most mature nuggs... they are curing up decently...
live and learn I guess.... fucking EXPENSIVE lesson!
I have been SO careful about what I feed my ladies only to use the wrong CalMag in the last few weeks of flower.
real life folks.... small variables have HUGE consequences... thousands of dollars in just a few hours...

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