White Widow From Seed - Just Started 12/12 on the 20th need help!

goonerbeatyaa

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Hi all,

This is my first grow so please be patient, I have tried to read as much as i can but there is so much to take in and always so much more to learn!

I germinated the white widow seeds that I bought from www.????.com ( is not a rollitup affiliate so am not sure if I can mention them but I have a feeling I should have been more selective!) using the paper towel method and planted them into a pre mix of soil on the 15th of Feb that had a PH of around 6/7. I will be using this soil throughout.

The Veg Room: I started with just two 18w (1500 Lumens each) strip daylight bulbs. As the seedlings got stronger I added 2 more 18w (1500 Lumens each) strip daylight bulbs. By the third week I added 2 65w (4500 lumens each) bulbs to hang over head as I have mounted all the strip lights vertically on 4 sides of the veg room. The light cycle has been 19/5 for all veg stage apart from the first week when I didn’t switch the timer on and it was 24/0 L not so clever… hence why I went 19/5 and not 18/6 as maybe that’s 1 hour less stress for the younglings.

I have a PH meter and all water I use is left out for 24 hours and has a PH of around 6.5. The guy at the hydro shop said to use this for the neut for veg stage and due to my 0 access to a hydro shop I could use this neut for the entire life of the plants! After careful reading etc I am worried so I have flower neuts coming at great cost (so I hope they reach me ok early next week).

The veg room started so weak and not really great but as you can see from the first picture (PIC1 & PIC1.1 & PIC1.2) for me now it couldn’t be set up any better as it has 5inch extractor at the top and another 5inch pointing the other way to bring new air in via a tube so that the new air is at the bottom forcing the old air up out the top. 4 strips on the side with two bigger lights from the top and mylar on all 3 sides plus the doors.

I am sure I over watered them at the start and also had the light a little too far away as they did stretch a little (See PIC2) but once in the upgraded veg room they soon started to get width (having strip lights vertical on the walls really helped the growth on the sides!) (see PIC3 & PIC3.1)

So a few weeks passed and they kept growing and looking green and healthy keeping in mind from one week to the next I have been making improvements and making little mistakes. The new veg room really made them fat and the leaves started to hit the sides and the length of each plant was between 12 and 7 inches so at the week end I put them in the flower room.

The flower room: 4x4x6 feet, 600 HPS with fan pointing at the bulb, large extractor at the top and on the opposite side a large flap with fan outside blowing on the plants and introducing new air. Also I have a 5inch extractor with a long tube (could be better if I could get it in a straight line as it’s not powerful as I would have liked!) still that supplies fresh air from the outside right to the plants at pot level which I thought would help with CO2 replacement. The temp in here is ranging from 19 degrees in the night to a max of 28 in the day. I have a dehumidifier in the outer room where the air supply comes from so that is always around 45% to 60%. All four sides are Mylar with the roof and floor in a dark plastic. I was told that if i reflect too much light to the bottom of the plant it may get confused and turn the leafs upside down. Also i have 6 feet high walls so it didnt seem worth making the roof reflective.

My neuts won’t be here for 7 to 10 days which I assumed wouldn’t be a problem as I need to give the plants time to settle into the new environment. My apologies for all the text but as I didn’t start my journal at the start of the grow because I was worried about posting my secrets ;-)

So my questions and problems:

I had 6 plants to start one died as I dropped the bulb on it but this was at seedling stage so was not a big loss. Out of the 5 remaining that are all over a foot tall one has take a turn for the worse! (See PIC4 PIC4.1, PIC4.2, PIC4.3 & 4.4) The plant is still green and looks healthy apart from the leaves have started to look like canoes! The leaves are strong I can bend them but they don’t break! I thought this was a neut issue as “leaves up I need something leaves down I have had too much” so I poured 6.5 water through it yesterday to see if this would help as this is flushing right? Also keeping in mind the other 4 plants had the same water etc and they are showing no signs f canoeing leaves! (see PIC5). Also you can see its place in the flower room and sorry for having the HPS on but I was in a rush! Also keep in mind I moved this plant near the veg room as I wanted to try and get some pic you could see!

The neut I have coming for flowing is: Canna Terra Flores and for the last couple of weeks 16/18 canna boost accelerator. If someone has the time could you help me work out a feed schedule so that I don’t make any mistakes during the flowering phase?

I have my light just over 2 feet (I did this slowly over the first 24/48 hrs to make sure the plants would adjust a little too the new 90000 lumens lamp) from the tops of the plants here is a quick shot of the grow room with the 5 plants in flower that went to 12/12 on the 20th see PIC6. Is this ok? Or should I get closer as last night one of the plants shot up by an inch and I don’t want a forest in my spare room ;-)



I have a million more things I want to ask but most I can find via google, I know I have started my journal late but I will keep it up to date as I NEED YOUR HELP!!! I have 5 more WW from seed that are about 3 weeks behind the ones we are discussing today see PIC7 I am trying out some bending/training which is going ok but is more of a test and a backup in case I blow the first lot! Also my pics are from my phone I will get a better camera for my next pics but hopefully you can see a little more from these and with this much text you need pictures to keep you interested :-D

More questions to follow ;-)
 

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CLOSETGROWTH

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Id ay your running too much nitrogen...

In fact im willing to bet on it...

Drop it down a few notches, and you'll be fine :)


G'luck :)
 

goonerbeatyaa

Active Member
Id ay your running too much nitrogen...

In fact im willing to bet on it...

Drop it down a few notches, and you'll be fine :)


G'luck :)
Still learning to use the site ;-)

Closet Growth:

I ran though 6.5 water yesterday to excess where i had a lot of water run from the top to the bottom into the saucer underneath... this water i tipped down the drain so that it didnt just suck it back up again!

Shoud i now just water this one with no neuts then resume feeding neuts when the leafs go back to normal. Also is it genetics that have made it like this as the other 4 are fine and they all had the same treatment?

thanks agian for you time!
 

goonerbeatyaa

Active Member
So a few people looking in but not so many comments :-( i am guessing my grow is a bit boring but i got to start somewhere!

But hey i am not giving up that easy :) so the bad plant out of the 5 which i tend to agree with the comment from ClosetGrowth but is still strange that it just happened to this one and not hte other 4! After running a load of 6.5 water through the plant the leaves haven’t tried to come back from their canoe shapes, but on a good note the new leaves etc are growing flat so hopefully i solved it.

The other issues i was having were about light distance from plants but after some reading there is no real exact level to go for some do 2ft others do with hand testing and others have better reflectors to extract the heat better. As i have a cheaper reflector and i don’t want to burn the plants i am going for the 2ft marker but i will be rotating everyday to make sure i get the most from my 600HPS.

Previous question "The neut I have coming for flowing is: Canna Terra Flores and for the last couple of weeks 16/18 canna boost accelerator. If someone has the time could you help me work out a feed schedule so that I don’t make any mistakes during the flowering phase?"

I am 4 days into week 1 of flowering and i am reading that week 2 i will give flower nuets at 1/2 strength along with 1/2 veg neuts then on the 3rd week ill go full strength with the flower neuts.

Question:What do you guys think is that sensible? from about two weeks into veg stage i was using Formulex to try and give the veg stage some kick.

I hope my continual posting will get some guys on my thread as its lonely in here :-D
 

goonerbeatyaa

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Also the seeds come from [FONT=&quot]cannabisseeds.com[/FONT] has anyone used this before or did i really start with some bad genetics? Also the camera is coming tomorrow so ill take shots of the 4 healthy plants and also an update on the sick one.

pics will be up in around 24 hours.
 

goonerbeatyaa

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Just read all the threads on cannabisseeds.com and its not looking good now i really know why nobody is intrested in my thread! should have got better seeds will get some on order now but will continue to push this grow and get some pics up so you guys can see for sure what happens with WW sedds from cannabisseeds.com after 6 weeks of veg and 1 week of flower!

sorry for wasting peoples time... i feel very silly for buying the seeds then reading and buying all the equipment AND what maybe a waste of 6 weeks electric and time!
 

Barnsy73

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Just read all the threads on cannabisseeds.com and its not looking good now i really know why nobody is intrested in my thread! should have got better seeds will get some on order now but will continue to push this grow and get some pics up so you guys can see for sure what happens with WW sedds from cannabisseeds.com after 6 weeks of veg and 1 week of flower!

sorry for wasting peoples time... i feel very silly for buying the seeds then reading and buying all the equipment AND what maybe a waste of 6 weeks electric and time!
Hey !!! Hold on there don't give up might be the best smoke you ever had !!! Just keep reading on here and you will find anything you need and if you have problems just snap a pic and put it in the right thread and you will no doubt have the answer !! And your plants look fine just a nute problem but easy fix I noticed that in my grow they liked it better a little drier roots don't like to be drowning is what i'm saying just remember that less is always better I learned that first hand . I use a shot glass and an 8 ounce cup to water my plants the same amount everyday instead of every few days. but you will do great !! Andsoon be enjoying your smoke !!! Peace

Oh and I might order from them just to see what they have 20 bucks why not
 

goonerbeatyaa

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Hey !!! Hold on there don't give up might be the best smoke you ever had !!! Just keep reading on here and you will find anything you need and if you have problems just snap a pic and put it in the right thread and you will no doubt have the answer !! And your plants look fine just a nute problem but easy fix I noticed that in my grow they liked it better a little drier roots don't like to be drowning is what i'm saying just remember that less is always better I learned that first hand . I use a shot glass and an 8 ounce cup to water my plants the same amount everyday instead of every few days. but you will do great !! Andsoon be enjoying your smoke !!! Peace

Oh and I might order from them just to see what they have 20 bucks why not

Barnsy73,

thanks for the confidence boost but i have to say am still thinking its over for these (POSSIBLE) boy plants... i still have hope but its fading fast with the more reading i do :D

the ones i have in flower should be showing in the next few days... i know 20 bucks is 20 bucks but for me its more the risk, time and effort plus the other spend that’s required for the test, imagine getting busted with a load of male plants how pissed would you be!! i got a camera coming tonight that will allow me to take some hi res pics.

i hope they are female as i am dying for a smoke of sweet sweet green :)

ill keep you posted but for now i would say dont order as the majority say its not a good breeder and this many people cant be wrong or just a coincidence!

thanks for taking the time to come back to me hope you stick around to see how it turns out ;)
 

goonerbeatyaa

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Also last night ordered from navana just incase ;-)

[FONT=&quot]AK-48 feminized (5 seeds)[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bubblelicious feminized (5 seeds)[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
 

Barnsy73

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Also last night ordered from navana just incase ;-)

[FONT=&quot]AK-48 feminized (5 seeds)[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Bubblelicious feminized (5 seeds)[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]


Can't go wrong with the AK48 I love that strain and the smoke is so incredible !!! Can't wait to try mine when its fully cured !!!
 

goonerbeatyaa

Active Member
Can't go wrong with the AK48 I love that strain and the smoke is so incredible !!! Can't wait to try mine when its fully cured !!!
Turns out the sick one with to much N could be the only female lol such is life!


I am so jealous fella when you say cured i know that you so much closer to enjoying your work than i am ;-)

also bought some cheese/train wreck from attitude as in the UK where cheese was born you cant get a better smoke but when you cross it with some train wreck should be biblical!

i tried to take more pics as the sex of the cannabisseeds.com are coming out... from a novice guess i have 2 males and 1 female out of 5 but will wait till the morning before i chop out the gay boys

the plants look so healthy all green leaves so even if they are all male i have learnt so much and when the real seeds arrive i should be good to go. i tried to take phots but everytime you cant see enough deatil with a 7MPixal camera but i have some signs of sex will try again tomorrow would be good to get you opinion.

thanks for following my thread as your the only one and i cant tell anyone i know about this so is good to chat with someone and get some help and positive thinking :-D
 

goonerbeatyaa

Active Member
Looks like cannabiseeds.com is livving up to its rep....

cut out two clear males today both looked like they had piles :-D

maybe have 1 female and 1 hemie and the other i am still not sure....

will keep people posted who are intrested in the so called cheapest seed bank online
 

goonerbeatyaa

Active Member
always keep the cfls within a inch and a half of the plants
yeah i am with you on that but the 65 W bulbs hangin from the top in the veg room get very hot... they are hanging on chains so i adjust them higher/lower etc the 18 W strip lights that a set vertically dont get hot at all plus they privide them with some extra help.

thanks for you comments and for looking in on my grow :) have to wait another couple of hours till lights on but will see today if the sex is showing better on the last two but am hoping they wont be males :(

never buy form cannabisseeds.com anyone who says its just 20 bucks has too much time on there hands ;) i have wasted 6 to 8 weeks on those mo fos
 

villian13

Member
im growing white widow myself,3 weeks from seed,dont give up,hardly anyone reads my stuff either.i tried cfl also, 2 spotty i thought,broke down & got 2 400 hps,now its great.mine r from nirvana,good stuff thus far.ive got another female ive been cloning but not a widow,sumthing 2 practice on til the widow is good.keep ur head up,what doesnt kill us only makes us better growers.
 

kool cat

Active Member
Hey all is a Learning exp. I got the same deal,I planted 5 White Widow seeds on 12-10-09. All 5 sproted. 2 dyed 3 days later. Out of 3 plants ,I got ONE female, 5 foot tall. The buds are 2-4 inches long now.Just starting to show trichs real heavy now, I got till 4-20 before ready to cut. Looks like maybe 2 oz or better on it. all Good comes with time.Next grow now is Autos.
 

goonerbeatyaa

Active Member
im growing white widow myself,3 weeks from seed,dont give up,hardly anyone reads my stuff either.i tried cfl also, 2 spotty i thought,broke down & got 2 400 hps,now its great.mine r from nirvana,good stuff thus far.ive got another female ive been cloning but not a widow,sumthing 2 practice on til the widow is good.keep ur head up,what doesnt kill us only makes us better growers.
Thanks for checking out my grow :-) The only issue i really have is if you look at the breeder i got mine from all is bad i dont see any succesfull or nice things to say about cannabisseeds.com... cant wait now for the nirvana delivery ;-)
 

goonerbeatyaa

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Hey all is a Learning exp. I got the same deal,I planted 5 White Widow seeds on 12-10-09. All 5 sproted. 2 dyed 3 days later. Out of 3 plants ,I got ONE female, 5 foot tall. The buds are 2-4 inches long now.Just starting to show trichs real heavy now, I got till 4-20 before ready to cut. Looks like maybe 2 oz or better on it. all Good comes with time.Next grow now is Autos.
kool cat, did you also get your seeds from cannabisseeds.com with WW for 20 bucks? is cool to hear that you got one good one... if mine get to that hight ill be f**ed as my flower room is only 6ft tall :-D

this has been a great trial run but so far "touch wood" so good just cant wait to get some bud for all my hard work ;-)
 
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