White "dust" on leaves - HELP

I've got some white dust like substance on the fan leaves of several flowering plants. I can't imagine these are trichromes, so assuming it's a problem?

Pics attached - help is very much appreciated!

Environmental conditions - usually between 70 and 80 deg, low RH (55% down to 20%).
 

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captiankush

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powdery mildew...Lots of possible cures, environmental factors are really the key to controlling it and its a bitch to get rid of because its mildew, there are millions of spores in the air, ya dig? It only needs the right environment to reproduce.

Good luck.

CK
 

PapayaTwins

Member
That, my friend, is powdery mold/mildew. Not a big problem if you treat it early. I had this issue recently and here's what I did:

mix 1 part 2% milk to 10 parts water in a spray bottle and spray down the leaves with the milk solution. After you've hosed them down pretty well (over and under the leaf) make sure to clean out your sprayer well by running some water through it. Milk is excellent against mildew/mold and can be sprayed on plants to prevent the spreading of plant problems between each other.
 

spesh123

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hey papayatwins can u use that milk and water mix during the flowering phase? and will it affect the buds taste and smell in anyway???

thanks
 

PapayaTwins

Member
Milk will not affect the flavor of your buds and you can safely use the spray in all stages of veg and some stages of flowering. My caution to you is that if you're heavily into flowering and your buds are starting to get really compact, you need to avoid spraying the buds to prevent bud rot or not use it at all... but if you're only about halfway through flowering then you should be okay, just spray slowly, carefully and thoroughly.

My suggestion is to spray and repeat every day for 3 days, then spray 1-2 times a week for the next week or two- otherwise you'll see white powdery spots come back in a few days. After this, the mildew should not return. After you spray do not shut off your fans, let the air circulate, otherwise you'll have more problems. On the first spray, you can choose to make it more potent and use like 2-3 cups per galon.

Also, I heard that powdery mildew feeds on the nutrient your plants sweat out, so it may be a sign to decrease your nutes slightly. Just a thought. Also, make sure to disinfect your room as soon as you can. You don't want mold spores flying around.

Spraying with baking soda will apparently give you the same results and can also be used.
 

PapayaTwins

Member
I searched around on some other forums and found this (it's really good):
GrowFAQ : How do I recognize, control, and prevent Powdery Mildew?

Added by: ranger2000 Last edited by: snoofer Viewed: 236 times Rated by 21 users: 8.93/10
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Introduction:
Powdery mildew is a common fungal disease that can seriously damage indoor and outdoor crops. Powdery mildew can rapidly infect crops in both vegetative and flowering stages, coating leaves, stems and buds in fungus.

Powdery mildew typically thrives in cool, damp, shaded and poorly ventilated areas. Airborne spores brought into the grow room land on leaf surfaces and will germinate given favorable conditions. High night humidity levels often trigger the growth of mildew spores. Powdery mildew can attack indoor crops year round.

Powdery mildew is almost impossible to stop in late flowering, so early detection and control is essential. Perpetual harvest, dense scrog/sog systems, and damp basement grows are particularly vulnerable to powdery mildew. Note: strains vary in their susceptibility.

This FAQ focuses on indoor prevention and treatment options. Please read Bongaloid’s Powdery Mildew FAQ for more information.

Identification, Symptoms and damage:
Early signs of powdery mildew include white powder/fuzzy patches on leaves (usually low in the canopy) and a fuzzy white coating on lower stems. Note: powdery mildew can be wiped off the leaves for a quick visual check.

(photo provided by turtle power) (photo provided by just one blunt)

These fuzzy mycelium patches produce airborne spores that rapidly attack adjacent plants; mildew will eventually coat leaves and entire plants, reducing photosynthesis, plant vigor and bud quality.

Plants on the edge of a garden, in corners and under stress are attacked first; infection usually starts in the lower canopy where conditions are optimal. As infection progresses, mildew will spread to the top of the plants and finally attack the buds.

Infected buds may appear normal; but are internally dusted with white powder (which cannot be removed by drying), and have a stale, musty/moldy smell when dry. Smoking or trimming infected buds can cause sickness and lung infections, and is not recommended. Infected leaves should be discarded. Lower buds are the most susceptible.

Powdery mildew is difficult to 100% eradicate; control requires prevention, early detection, and pro-active measures.

Preventive gardening:
Preventative gardening techniques can be effective in defending against powdery mildew.

Maintain healthy plants. Stressed plants are often attacked first, so it is important to monitor and remove unhealthy plants.

Detection. Inspect corners, edge and lower portions of the garden frequently. Remove infected leaves, or move infected plants out of the main garden.

Dont water plants at night. Reduce or stop watering before the lights have gone out to help evaporate and reduce room humidity (thnx dutchmaster).

Reduce plant density. Spread plants apart to improve air circulation. Don’t place plants directly against walls or into corners, typically areas of poor air circulation. Pull plants 6”-1’ away from walls or reflective surfaces, and blow air to these areas.

Pruning. Remove the lowest leaves as the plants mature and prune the bottom 1/3 of the plant during veg to increase airflow inside the lower canopy. Remove all unnecessary growth. Put an oscillating fan down low to blow through this pruned area.

Foliar feeding. Foliar feeding can sometimes cause excessive nighttime humidity levels. Discontinue if mildew appears.

Harvest early if mildew is a problem.

Environmental control:
Improving growroom conditions is an excellent way to passively prevent and minimize damage by powdery mildew.

Monitor humidity levels. A quality humidity gauge should be used to monitor day and night r.h levels. Avoid prolonged high humidity levels: 50-60% r.h is ideal. Humidity must be kept below 70% during the night; levels over 80% will guarantee infection within 48 hrs.

Ventilation. Constant air movement inhibits mildew, and lowers humidity. Use oscillating fans on all sides of a garden to circulate the air. Ventilate air out of the grow room periodically during the night cycle to reduce humidity from irrigation and transpiration.

Note: Once mildew is established, oscillating fans may actually spread spores throughout the garden. Stop fans, treat infected areas, and then resume airflow.

Heat night air. Warm air holds more moisture than colder air. Heat helps dry the air and lower humidity during the night cycle. Heat the room at night and exhaust the room periodically to remove this warm/moist air.

Dehumidifier.Very effective in preventing mildew from spreading. Set controls for 40-60% and let run during night cycle.

Hepa filter. Filter the intake with a Hepa filter to eliminate spores from entering room. Inspect and change filter frequently.

Ionizer / Ozone generators. Leak some output to kill airborne pathogens and spores.

* Sulphur burner. These devices vaporize (not burn) elemental sulphur, coat the room with a fine film of sulphur, inhibiting PM spores from germinating. Also inhibits insects to some degree.

Run for 12 hours initially (at night, exhaust blower off, circ fans on), then 1-4 hrs/night thereafter. Some discontinue when buds begin to form, other let it run up to the last week. Very effective prevention :)

Chemical control:

Note: Chemical information sourced from maximumyield.com and cannibisculture.com

Chemical control should be considered a last resort. Chemicals should be sprayed only in veg or early flower to prevent absorption into the buds and burning bud hairs. Chemicals may have to be applied repeatedly to be effective, and may take a few days for noticeable results. Use a surfactant to help adhere chemical to leaf surface. Some chemicals are more harmful than others; follow label directions and observe precautions.

Always spot spray first. Spraying individual leaves can be an option.
Note: many chemicals will leave a residue that appears similar to powdery mildew!

* Alkaline water:
Alkaline water can affect powdery mildew, as mildew cannot grow in basic conditions. Mist plants generously with water at 8.0+ pH frequently; discontinue when buds begin to mature to prevent budrot.

[Editor's note: this does work and is effective in late flower. Alkaline water does not seem to affect buds or bud hairs. The effect is temporary, but drastically slows mildew grow and spread. Reapply every 4-5 days.]

Baking soda: Sodium Bicarbonate
"Sodium collapses the powdery mildew cell wall". Baking soda leaves an alkaline residue on the leaves, which should be washed off with water before more is applied.
Foliar spray: 15ml / gallon

Potassium Bicarbonate:
"Collapses and desiccates the mildew hyphae. Very safe, very effective contact fungicide". Kaligreen and Armicarb100.

Garden sulphur:
A common non-toxic spray, sulfur interferes with mildew cellular respiration. Spray young plants weekly before hairs form (or spray lower leaves only), then discontinue. Do not wash off. Note: dried sulphur spray looks similar to mildew. For best results, prune plants in veg/early flower, then spray lower stems and foliage. Warning: can give a sulphur taste if sprayed directly onto buds!

Foliar spray: 15-20ml sulphur powder/Liter water. Keep well mixed when spraying.
Note: will not wash off buds. Re-application may be necessary.

Neem Oil:
Protects and kills mildew by inhibiting respiration; also protects against mites and may improve plant vigor. Results are noticeable in a couple of days.

Pro-silica: (Soluble Silicon)
”… increases resistance to pathogens by accumulating in…(leaf and root) cells of plants, providing a barrier against penetration by invading fungi such as powdery mildew and Pythium. Foliar applications leave deposits of silicon…on the leaf surface that promote effective physical barriers to…infection.” Pro-silica is alkaline.

Foliar spray: 1 part in 5

SM90:
A natural plant extract in a vegetable oil base.

Foliar spray: 10ml/liter

Copper Sulphate:
"Copper ions inactivate some fungal enzyme systems, killing the mycellium."
Effective one-shot application, but production may be discontinued.

Benomyl: Apply in veg only.

Malatox:
by the chronic:
…”This is a wonder cure. Mildew completely vanishes for up to 7 weeks! Make sure you spray before the first week of flowering.”
Foliar spray: 2.5ml per liter of water.

Biological controls:

Unpasterized milk:
Note: must be fresh, not store bought (which is pasturized). Diltute 10 parts water to 1 part milk. Works, although the milk may smell.

AQ10:
A biofungicide. Ampelomyces quisqualis is a fungus that "parasites the powdery mildew organism. It offers control over a long period of time." Effective only in initial stages of infection.

Plant Shield:
Plant Shield is a foliar spray (General Hydroponics), which kills many types of leaf and root fungus. Trichoderma harzianum strain T-22. Safe to use. Takes 2-10 days.

Serenade:
"The fermentation product of a bacterium, bacillus subtillis, that inhibits cell growth of fungi and bacteria. It is effective and easy to spray or use as a dip". Contact fungicide.​

Last modified: 11:13 - May 06, 2002
Sorry it's so long. I did notice it said that the milk must be unpasteurized, but I use pasteurized milk and know others that do also. I think it works either way. He also mentioned copper spray, neem oil and baking soda spray.

I say just pick one remedy and repeat it a few times (like anti-biotics). Let me know if that's helpful and what you choose to do. Good luck!!
 

planb1700

Member
if i had that problem i would trash the plants, clean out the entire room, wipe it down with soap and water get some major fans goin in there, and try and find what caused the mold. then start over, jsut because your health is more important than the plants....
 

OldManPot

New Member
I've got some white dust like substance on the fan leaves of several flowering plants. I can't imagine these are trichromes, so assuming it's a problem?

Pics attached - help is very much appreciated!

Environmental conditions - usually between 70 and 80 deg, low RH (55% down to 20%).
thats a pretty bad case

i watch my plants very closely, and ive only had it appear one time when i had my lants to close together. all i did is wiped off what i saw and moved them father apart, and made sure i had a fan running on low (ive seen the white mold countless times on others plants when they had to high humidity) not on the plants mind you, but usually more towards the floor. the air circulation coupled with the heat in your room should dry it out . worked the only time i had any of it.
 

DST

Well-Known Member
Find a product called Silinal by Ecostyle, they are an organic company based in NL and BE and you can buy their product online. Not sure what the English word is, but Natriumsilicate....it will get you through your grow, 100%. I have used it with success in the past. Good luck, PM is a bitch, just like PMT!!!
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
get eagle 20ew and your done with pm bro...if your in flower get greencure organic...orderless...can be used up to the day or harvest....knocks down PM on contact
 

nedherb

Member
Actually I was wrong.. I had spider mites and powdery mildew I lost my crop of 15 plants (they are so badly damaged not worth it to keep fighting PM and spider mites - so I am tossing plants and cleaning room with bleach and starting over..
 
Yo PapayaTwins, your help is much appreciated. Now mold/mildew is the only possibility? Not doubting your wisdom bro, its just that this stuff i dry. Much like dust. Was actually wondering if a neighbor nearby might of been sanding or cutting tile, putting out a dust cloud. Also where the plants are set gets good sun all day. Man, this stuff just appeared 2 weeks ago, and I've got like 4 weeks till harvest. Milk solution? If so, how long to leave on plant before rinsing off?
 
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