Which one now? LED or CMH

spazatak

spazatak

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rob333 said:
well out of the 5 test we have done yes yes they are pretty shit for price ofc u would be pretty damn stupid to buy any lights at that price we did purley we are a shop that will get it back on tax soo it doest really bother me at all ;) if they were 100-200 bucks i would say go for it as u could get more then 1 set ur room up but 600 - 700 i have seen them up to 3 k why would u bother ??? like i said u would have to be pretty stupid to do that were u could spend half that amount and have a whole room more hps t5 or even mh i am testing plasma light right now from http://www.chameleongrowsystems.com/Home.html which aint half back which do an ok job i would say for a new light system it pulls it dick out and pisses all over leds so far ;)
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youre a shop and you havent bothered to realise what LEDS are good...


can you give me the name and address of your shop so I never make the mistake of walking into it....
 
rob333

rob333

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no we just dont bother stocking them now as we did once and they never sold well one did people around our area are smart and stick to maken money not going into debt ;)
 
rob333

rob333

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out of prob 300 - 400 hps kits sold to 1 led kit sold im gunna stock hps we couldent be fucked with leds lights any more about 3 years ago they were the rave but people woke up and went back to hps
 
Deusracing

Deusracing

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well actually buy the rocket plasma its 230 watts and well you see whats growing in there you buy one call the company and ask for tanya and tell her the problem child sent you over LOL
 
Deusracing

Deusracing

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rob333 said:
lolol u so gota love the internet yeah i wouldent beleave half the shit that is posted here anyways ;) until u have stood there and watched it urself well im saying leds are fucken pooo compared to hps
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You know what people.. My lights poo compared to all of yours but its sexy as hell and only draws 230w. Beat that shit.. cover 4x4 with a 230 watt light and get the penetration... STOP bitching buy what you want grow how you want.. FUCKING light companies like LAWYERS they lie to you put out close to real specs then GUESS WHAT THEY ARE THE ONES CASHING IN> LOL keep buying em folks be like me buy 5 types of lighting and figure it out.. CUZ EVER GROW IS DIFFERENT even if same clone.. HAPPY 4TH everyone
 
Deusracing

Deusracing

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check this out you can buy 4 of these for price of one you may not be satisfied with...
http://www.dirtgenius.com
oh lord you guys crack me up.. JUST GROW WHO CARES WHO GOT WHAT FOR HOW MUCH you'd all shit if you know what i pay for lights LOL
 
dbkick

dbkick

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Even Gavita will tell you plasma is meant to supplement hps, plasma has this huge hole in the spectrum. Wait for sulphur plasma.
Gavita's LEP emitter isn't user replaceable and is rated for a lot of hours if I remember right.
Rocket emitter calls for replacing every 9 months or so at 110 bux or so. No thanks.
On the other hand, being a hardcore HID fanboi for so long I recently purchased 6 Onyx (4 bloom and 2 veg ) LED panels from rapidled.
I'm pleased with the results.
Onyxgrow.com
 
bicit

bicit

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I'd say a single CMH with a pair of RW-150's if you have the power/budget.

Or for the money you're looking at spending, you could make a hell of a cob array
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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rob still thinks that a dude in a cave in afghanistan, blew up two buildings that dealt with 50% of the world's money everyday.....
 
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dojoking

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dbkick said:
Even Gavita will tell you plasma is meant to supplement hps, plasma has this huge hole in the spectrum. Wait for sulphur plasma.
Gavita's LEP emitter isn't user replaceable and is rated for a lot of hours if I remember right.
Rocket emitter calls for replacing every 9 months or so at 110 bux or so. No thanks.
On the other hand, being a hardcore HID fanboi for so long I recently purchased 6 Onyx (4 bloom and 2 veg ) LED panels from rapidled.
I'm pleased with the results.
Onyxgrow.com
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Gavita is referring to their own specific plasma lights when they say that. Not plasma lights in general. I am not saying the Rocket Plasma will flower any better than the Gavita plasma lamps but in theory it should. Considering the color temperature for the Rocket Plasma is suppose to be around 3000k ( http://www.rocketplasma.com/rocketspecs/ ) and the lowest color temperature Gavita has I believe is around 5600k for the 41.02 emitter ( http://www.gavita-holland.com/index.php/products/gavita-light-emitting-plasma/item/gavita-pro-300-lep-ac-eu.html ). I can't seem to find a color temp for the 41.01 emitter at the moment.

"So in conclusion:
- We recommend the 01 version as most efficient to complement HPS light during the generative phase and suitable for short vegetative cycles
- The 02 version is also suitable for a combination with HPS, but has a better quality than the 01 for vegetative development, so it is best utilized in a pure vegetative environment or for sunlight simulations
- Use one Gavita Pro 300 LEP in combination with a maximum of 1200W HPS lighting for a better color spectrum which results in healthier plants, higher quality and a better yielding crop"

http://www.gavita-holland.com/helpdesk/download_attachment.php?kb_att=1

There is some good info in these Gavita pdfs about spectrum and plants. Check them out if you have the time http://www.gavita-holland.com/helpdesk/knowledgebase.php?article=11

Lately, I have read quite a bit on these plasma grow lights and I feel it is necessary to point out that the plasma technology used for the Gavita and Rocket Plasma are two different designs from two different manufacturers. So the end product is a bit different in regards to the spectrum.

Topanga supplies Rocket Plasma - http://www.topangatech.com/

Luxim supplies Gavita and most of the other plasma grow lights - http://www.luxim.com/products/grow-lighting

It is true that the Rocket Plasma bulb needs to be replaced after 9 months but. That isn't because the bulb stops working. Its because the red spectrum dissipates after that time period. The bulb will still work. It just loses its ability to put out the mostly red spectrum it had from the start and it can be replaced with new one. If I end up getting one I just might use my old bulbs for the vegetative phase.
 
dbkick

dbkick

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Good info I'd never thought of because I thought they were using the same emitters as Gavita.
I was wondering how gavita emitter isn't user changeable yet its lifespan was so long.
 
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dojoking

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dbkick said:
Off topic or not, what about one of these....
http://www.amazon.com/Alphalite-Plasma-Light-Emitting-Horticultural/dp/B00K395D8W/ref=pd_sim_sbs_lg_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0FMK9ZXTB2B2K29VMNT6
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Nice find, I was under the impression that the Rocket Plasma was the only horticultural plasma using the Topanga technology but. This Alphalite plasma appears to be using it as well.

I believe both the Rocket Plasma and Alphalite are using the APL400-4000A "Back-fed" from Topanga shown here http://www.topangatech.com/products/

Alphalite Plasma product info- http://www.alphalite.com/US/brochure/AlphaliteEngWeb.pdf (scroll to the bottom for info on the horticulture light)

Alphalite website http://www.alphalite.com/US/products/products.html
 
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dbkick

dbkick

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That 110 dollar replacement emitter every 9 months I just don't like.
Probably see lots of new brands pop up. It's time to grow some shit.
 
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dojoking

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dbkick said:
That 110 dollar replacement emitter every 9 months I just don't like.
Probably see lots of new brands pop up. It's time to grow some shit.
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Yeah, I hear you on that. Its actually 4500hr-5000hr before the mostly red spectrum starts to dissipate I believe. Not really any different from changing out your HID bulb every other grow or so though.
 
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