Where is the world headed???

frthnkr85 said:

A simple question yet one with so much meaning...
I wonder if i'm the only one who sees things going downhill... we have a problem people... the middle-east threatens to explode into another world war at any time..terroist attacks are happening all over the world... people are to absorbed in their selves to see past their own lives...money and greed are beginning to become the rulers of the world...and the people are ignorant of most of the things going on in the world... how long before we get back on track and start pursuing knowledge again... we have some of the greatest civilizations of all time around the world, but these same civilizations i think are at the point of imploding... so I ask am i completely off base or is there some truth in this??? Do things need to change to get better or will they get better by following the path the world is on now??? And if things do need to change is it within the realm of possibility that people can change???

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medicineman said:

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So, come out of your palace, get out of your Rolls Royce and start making meaningful changesa to help humanity, the burden rests on your shoulders!

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DankyDank said:

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You're so astute you actually amaze me, beat up pickup, for sure. Why are you posting with right wing rhetoric if you are a commoner. You must be a wannabee or else it makes no logical connection. People who are surviving, barely, under this regeme and like it are either martyrs or idiots, which category are you in?

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medicineman said:

there was the Alaskan Airlines plane that was suspected of being brought down off of the Southern Californa coast a few years age.

Come on Vi, That tragedy was proven to be a defective jack screw that operated the rear tail structure. Remember when they shut down all flights by that type airpland and checked them out. They found others just like that that hadn't gone bad yet and made all the airlines with that type of plane replace the Jackscrews. Nice try!

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ViRedd said:

Are we talking about the same plane, Med? The one I'm talking about was prior to 9-11 and went down right off the coast of San Diego. There were eye witnesses who saw a ground-to-air missle hit it. The government denied it though. I wonder if they would deny it now?

Vi

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Same plane, Remember flight 800 out of JFK, they thought they saw a missle there also, proved to be a spark in the center fuel tank. I remember because I had thought of taking an alaska airways flight to alaska to see my brother and it made me decide to forget it. The Jackscrew that operates the horizontal stabilizer was stripped, allowing the plane to go out of control.

REPORTS INDEX ALASKA P2

AIRCRAFT INCIDENT REPORTS

ALASKA AIR REPORTS - part 1

Although it would be impossible to maintain a complete archive of reports on anomalous airline crashes, we have kept some articles here for those who may wish to do further investigation.
Many of the original sources for these articles are no longer online.
First two cuts are just interesting observations...
FROM FILER'S FILES #5:
CALIFORNIA FLYING TRIANGLE
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Alaska Airlines jet crashes off California coast; 88 aboard By JEFF WILSON
Copyright (c) 2000 Nando Media Copyright (c) 2000 APonline
OXNARD, Calif. (February 1, 2000 12:03 a.m. EST
http://www.nandotimes.com [link no longer works]) -
An Alaska Airlines jet with 88 people aboard plummeted into the Pacific Ocean on Monday after its pilot reported mechanical problems and was diverted to Los Angeles for an emergency landing. Several bodies were recovered from the chilly water, but there was no sign of survivors hours after the crash.
Flight 261, heading from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, to San Francisco and later to Seattle, went down at 4:36 p.m. PST, the airline said.
A large field of debris rolled in big swells about eight miles offshore as aircraft and small boats converged on the site just before sunset. Hours later, the high-power lights of commercial squid boats illuminated the darkness as a cutter and small boats continued the search.
Several bodies were found, Coast Guard Lt. Chuck Diorio said, but he could not give a specific number.
"Every resource is out there to find people," said Coast Guard Capt. George Wright. "We're actively searching for survivors. ... In 58-degree water temperature, people can survive. We're not going to quit until we're positive there's absolutely no chance."
Alaska Airlines spokesman Jack Evans said the plane was carrying 83 passengers and five crew members.
The plane was an MD-83, part of the MD-80 series aircraft built by McDonnell Douglas, now part of Boeing, said John Thom, a spokesman for Boeing's Douglas aircraft unit. The plane that crashed had been delivered to Alaska Airlines in 1992, Thom said.
The airline said the pilot reported having problems with the "stabilizer trim" and asked to be diverted shortly before the plane crashed. "Radar indicates it fell from 17,000 feet and then was lost from radar," San Francisco airport spokesman Ron Wilson told KRON-TV.
On the MD-80 series airplanes, the horizontal stabilizer looks like a small wing mounted on top of the tail. The stabilizer, which includes panels that pitch the nose up and down, is brought into balance, or "trimmed," from the cockpit.
If a plane lost its horizontal stabilizer, it would have no means to keep the nose pointed at the proper angle up or down, and the plane would begin an uncontrollable dive.
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ViRedd said:

Yes, I DO remember it now. I also had a flight on Alaska just after that plane came down. I decided to go anyway, figuring what the odds were of another Alaska plane going down. Figured the odds were WAY in my favor. Here's something interesting though ... As I came through the check in point, there were plain clothed people checking all the carry-on luggage. I travel light and only carry a small tote bag. They went completely through it. I asked the guy if they had increased security because of the downed plane and he said yes. Searching carry-on baggage was just about unheard of at that point in time.

Vi

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