Where do you think weed fits into Christianity?

Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.

Really... really, really, really, you need to pick up the bible, sit down, and read it front to back. Put in an hour a day, and it should only take you a few weeks to a month. If you fail to do this, i personally think you fail as a christian... if you consciously know that you have not done this, and refuse to do so... please, reflect on that thought.
 
crackerboy

crackerboy

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Zaehet Strife said:
No thanks bro, i do appreciate it... but Ive grown tired of arguing about different translations of different bibles to those who are going to interpret them in whatever way they want.

I have read and studied theology and metaphysics, this is a list of the books with biblical origins that i have read and studied in order;

king james version
revised standard version
new international version
young's literal translation
luther's German bible
the vulgate
the septuagint

After the septuagint, i was completely burnt out... and started my journey to other forms of mysticism originating from different parts of the world. Buddhism is my favorite religion, Zen is my favorite philosophy, Sagan is my favorite astrologer, Russell my favorite philosopher... among many many other favorites.

Thanks man, but im going to decline the offer... and reinstate the fact that if you want to consider yourself a christian, when you become intoxicated (alcohol/cannabis/etc.) you are committing a sin according to "many" different versions of the bible.

And that no matter who you are, there is always a way to justify drug use within ones own mind regardless of what they choose to believe, or what they choose to label themselves as.
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I don't believe that you have studied the first one on that list. If you had done any study on the Septuagint than you would know how ridiculous your prior statements are. You have obviously have not done any of the Greek study or you would have known the difference in the interpretations of the scriptures that I had corrected earlier. I notice that you never tried to refute my counter argument to your post. Why is that? I'm pretty sure that you either new that I was right or you are not knowledgeable enough on the subject to make a counter argument of your own. Either way you appear to only have a surface understanding at best. You can only play the interpretation game so far because every word has a Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or Chaldean definition.
 
Doer

Doer

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Jeeze, you ask for a list, you get a list and then you don't believe it. You still want to argue in an insulting fashion, Z-Man says he does not.
 
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gioua

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crackerboy said:
I don't believe that you have studied the first one on that list. If you had done any study on the Septuagint than you would know how ridiculous your prior statements are. You have obviously have not done any of the Greek study or you would have known the difference in the interpretations of the scriptures that I had corrected earlier. I notice that you never tried to refute my counter argument to your post. Why is that? I'm pretty sure that you either new that I was right or you are not knowledgeable enough on the subject to make a counter argument of your own. Either way you appear to only have a surface understanding at best. You can only play the interpretation game so far because every word has a Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or Chaldean definition.
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this is a pot forum... "Study" here means either forced to read it in High school or I saw a short article once... or I saw a documentary...
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
gioua said:
this is a pot forum... "Study" here means either forced to read it in High school or I saw a short article once... or I saw a documentary...
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It can mean more than that.
However I am compelled to observe that if the Bible requires such a depth of effort to properly understand, it indicts one of its core claims, i.e. to be a living or otherwise god-imbued document. The story fails under its own weight. Jmo. cn
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Doer said:
Jeeze, you ask for a list, you get a list and then you don't believe it. You still want to argue in an insulting fashion, Z-Man says he does not.
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Agreed. Dude can believe whatever he wants, regardless... there is no way for me to prove to him that i read what i did.
 
Doer

Doer

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gioua said:
this is a pot forum... "Study" here means either forced to read it in High school or I saw a short article once... or I saw a documentary...
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Well, I've found a new interest in the things I learned in High School. Very compelling because much of it was flat out, factually, wrong. And it still is, in High School. And I found that all of the rest is evolving as new math-experiment-math proceeds.

But, now we are adults. No meaning except what we provide. No information, except what we gather and sort. Only decision making is what we actual do. The vast past/future complex is more vaporous, by far, than any video game. The idea that pot is somehow against study is also incorrect, it seems to me. You can't even have a veg garden, right, Z? You need a little study.

But, perhaps you are speaking from personal experience. If so, carry on.
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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I've never encountered anything in any bible i have read that states you are not permitted to grow plants. But it does state that you can't plant two different kinds of seeds in your vineyard, field, etc.

In my opinion, grow all the cannabis you desire... but if you choose to become intoxicated by it, and you want to consider yourself a "man" of the christian faith, you better watch out!

Edit: I did have to look this up, because most have been forgotten over the years, but you will find the passage in Leviticus 19:19
 
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InCognition

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Psuedo said:
This is a question/topic for any Christian stoner's that may be on this board.

I know theirs a lot of people on the net who use the religion aspect, and say it talks about it in the bible. About it being the healing of nations. If weed is the healing of all nations I believe that will bring about the new world order. As when all nations are living in peace and harmony it will be a one world government.

Whenever I first started smoking weed I was about 18. I thought what if weed was the tree Adam and Eve ate a fruit from? Maybe god destroyed the fruit but left only the plant? I believe whatever fruit they ate doesn't exist anymore. As their was only one tree in the Garden of Eden, and no humans besides Adam, and Eve were ever in there. The Garden of Eden was destroyed in the bible though, so maybe the plant altogether doesn't exist anymore.

That was what I first thought about it, but now as stated above with all the stoner talk about it healing all nations I believe it will bring about a one world governement. Then when the one world government exist's that is truly the end times.

Anyways that's just what conclusion I've come to. If you don't believe in the religion aspect (god) then you don't really believe it will be the healing of all nations as a lot of stoners I guess do, or they just use that as an argument. What do you think about it as a Christian stoner?
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A one world government absolutely will not be the "end times". In fact a one world government is probably a safer bet, than the US's current track of war, and fucking everyone else's country up.

With a one world government, big & useless wars will be a lot less likely to occur.
 
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InCognition

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Zaehet Strife said:
I've never encountered anything in any bible i have read that states you are not permitted to grow plants. But it does state that you can't plant two different kinds of seeds in your vineyard, field, etc.

In my opinion, grow all the cannabis you desire... but if you choose to become intoxicated by it, and you want to consider yourself a "man" of the christian faith, you better watch out!

Edit: I did have to look this up, because most have been forgotten over the years, but you will find the passage in Leviticus 19:19
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This is why Christianity is really just some bullshit.

So planting two different seeds on your property is a sin that condemns you to hell?.... what? So a man can't grow a crop that consists of a variety of food, even if he needs to feed his family?

*God Speaking* - " Jonny you were such a good guy, but you grew corn and sunflowers on your property at the same time! FUCK THAT SHIT YOU UNLOYAL SOUL, NOW YOU BURN IN HELL! FEEL THE WRATH, FOR PLANTING THOSE SEEDS YOU SON OF A BITCH!

Then the pandering in the bible about sobriety... ummm, then why the fuck are there a bunch of plants on earth, that get you high as fuck? So, you're telling me that we aren't supposed to use them, even if they benefit us?

*God Speaking* - "Jonny you were such a good guy, but you used that plant, marijuana frequently. FUCK THAT SHIT. HOW DARE YOU CONSUME A PLANT THAT IS PURELY BENEFICIAL FOR YOUR MIND & BODY. YOUR USE OF THIS PLANT TO FEEL IT'S EUPHORIC & MEDICINAL QUALITIES, IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. BURN MOTHERFUCKER, BURN!
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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InCognition said:
This is why Christianity is really just some bullshit.

So planting two different seeds on your property is a sin that condemns you to hell?.... what? So a man can't grow a crop that consists of a variety of food, even if he needs to feed his family?

*God Speaking* - " Jonny you were such a good guy, but you grew corn and sunflowers on your property at the same time! FUCK THAT SHIT YOU UNLOYAL SOUL, NOW YOU BURN IN HELL! FEEL THE WRATH, FOR PLANTING THOSE SEEDS YOU SON OF A BITCH!

Then the pandering in the bible about sobriety... ummm, then why the fuck are there a bunch of plants on earth, that get you high as fuck? So, you're telling me that we aren't supposed to use them, even if they benefit us?

*God Speaking* - "Jonny you were such a good guy, but you used that plant, marijuana frequently. FUCK THAT SHIT. HOW DARE YOU CONSUME A PLANT THAT IS PURELY BENEFICIAL FOR YOUR MIND & BODY. YOUR USE OF THIS PLANT TO FEEL IT'S EUPHORIC & MEDICINAL QUALITIES, IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. BURN MOTHERFUCKER, BURN!
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One of the very first stories in Genesis was about using a forbidden plant. Not much comfort there, I'm afraid. The comedown was absolute hell. cn
 
Doer

Doer

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InCognition said:
A one world government absolutely will not be the "end times". In fact a one world government is probably a safer bet, than the US's current track of war, and fucking everyone else's country up.

With a one world government, big & useless wars will be a lot less likely to occur.
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Right, no war. Just utter tyranny at every level as the world's wealth is redistributed by idiots and dilettantes. The repression of personal freedom would make the Gestapo look like boy scouts.
 
Doer

Doer

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cannabineer said:
One of the very first stories in Genesis was about using a forbidden plant. Not much comfort there, I'm afraid. The comedown was absolute hell. cn
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Yeah, ya wake up and Eve's a 3 bagger. Oh Crap! Not even a paper sack to protect the poor dog's eyes, much less 2 for myself (in case one rips open)

Bags had not been invented!
 
RainbowBrite86

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I don't find anything that does or does not justify smoking weed. I very rarely find the Bible to be that specific about things anyway. It's more of use your common fucking sense and you'll be fine thing. That's why God made Jesus the Great Communicator. He's the only one who had the patience for the job. Like talking to a bunch of morons trying to break everything down into the lowest form of laymen's terms available. That's probably why the Devil boycotted in the first place. He was probably sitting with Jesus, ministering to the people, and Jesus was like "Alright listen, I understand you guys are human, you're flawed, and disagreements are going to happen, and things will get out of hand every once in a while. I just don't want you doing any unjustifiable homocides." OK? Fair enough. Then you have the bunch of can't think for themselves idiots who are like "Wait, what if we're at war?" And Jesus is like "Well dude, if they're trying to kill you, that's justifiable." And the Devil is like "Wtf dude...what a stupid fucking question." And then the next guy is like "Well what if my wife really has it coming?" And the Devil spins around and is like "Jesus Christ! I am out of here with that shit! Buncha fucking morons! I swear to God! I quit!" That's...almost word for word from the Bible you know.
 
dvs1038

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I thought it had sumptin to do with Lucifer was originally an angel like everyone else then some cloud came down and made a red spot on his angelwear and no matter how hard he tried he couldn't get it out so he just went and made the rest of it to match the color of the spot. At least that's as much as I remember without bustin out a bible. Wasn't that kinda how he became the devil? I could be totally wrong like I said that was all from memory.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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RainbowBrite86 said:
I don't find anything that does or does not justify smoking weed. I very rarely find the Bible to be that specific about things anyway. It's more of use your common fucking sense and you'll be fine thing. That's why God made Jesus the Great Communicator. He's the only one who had the patience for the job. Like talking to a bunch of morons trying to break everything down into the lowest form of laymen's terms available. That's probably why the Devil boycotted in the first place. He was probably sitting with Jesus, ministering to the people, and Jesus was like "Alright listen, I understand you guys are human, you're flawed, and disagreements are going to happen, and things will get out of hand every once in a while. I just don't want you doing any unjustifiable homocides." OK? Fair enough. Then you have the bunch of can't think for themselves idiots who are like "Wait, what if we're at war?" And Jesus is like "Well dude, if they're trying to kill you, that's justifiable." And the Devil is like "Wtf dude...what a stupid fucking question." And then the next guy is like "Well what if my wife really has it coming?" And the Devil spins around and is like "Jesus Christ! I am out of here with that shit! Buncha fucking morons! I swear to God! I quit!" That's...almost word for word from the Bible you know.
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The bible mentions plenty of times to keep your mind and body clean. Common sense tells you that smoking cannabis will keep neither clean.

Peter 5:8
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour

I'm wondering if drunkness is only dealing with alcohol. I can't find much on cannabis alone (though it seems that the bible would be against it), so I can't really say cannabis isn't allowed in christianity. But it surely isn't keeping your mind focused lol.
 
RainbowBrite86

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Well then you're basing this off the idea that cannabis is unclean. Why assume cannabis is unclean if God didn't specify it? If it were unclean, don't you think he'd make sure to specify it? Liiike...pork?
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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RainbowBrite86 said:
Well then you're basing this off the idea that cannabis is unclean. Why assume cannabis is unclean if God didn't specify it? If it were unclean, don't you think he'd make sure to specify it? Liiike...pork?
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No, like you said, much of the bible requires common sense. God made us in his image right? Well if cannabis was clean and natural, why didn't he make us permanently high? We aren't supposed to mess with gods temple right? Well cannabis falls into the mind warping section of stuff god made.

He said pork is unclean?
 
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