Where did your God come from?

SamsonsRiddle

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The Perfect Creation
The original Hebrew words (the words written by Moses) imply a perfect creation. God reveals himself as Creator of perfection, light and beauty. Every reference in the Bible describes the condition of any completed phase of God's creation as "very good"--perfect.
This first verse of the Bible actually speaks of the original PHYSICAL creation in its entirety--the universe--including the earth, perhaps millions of years ago--as a perfect creation, beautiful and perfect as far as its creation was a finished, completed work. God is a perfectionist!
In Job 38:4, 7, God is speaking specifically of the creation of this earth. He said all the angels (created "sons of God") shouted for joy at the creation of the earth. This reveals that angels were created before the creation of the earth--and probably before the material universe. The suns, planets and astral bodies are material substance. Angels are individually created spirit beings, composed solely of spirit.
It will come as a surprise to many to learn that angels inhabited this earth BEFORE the creation of man. This passage from Job implies it.
Angels on Earth Sinned
Other passages place angels on earth prior to man.
Notice II Pet. 2:4-6. First in time order "angels that sinned." Next in time sequence, the antediluvian world beginning with Adam, carrying through to the Flood. After that, Sodom and Gomorrah.
This book of books, containing the revealed knowledge of the Creator God, tells us that God created angels as composed of spirit. But can you imagine angels becoming sinning angels? Angels were created with power of thought, of decision and of choice, else they have no individuality of character. Since sin is the transgression of God's law, these angels rebelled against God's law, the basis of God's government.
But how and when did the angels sin?
Notice carefully what is revealed in II Peter 2:4-5; "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; and spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly." The words "cast...down to hell" in the above verse is an English expression translated from the Greek tartaroo, from tartaros, found in no other Bible passage. Tartaros means a place or condition of restraint.
These verses show that universal sin brings universal destruction to the physical earth. The antediluvian sin, culminating with the Flood, was worldwide, universal sin. Notice: "...the earth was filled with violence...for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth...for the earth is filled with violence..." (Gen. 6:11-13). "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord....Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God" (verses 8-9). All flesh had sinned--over the whole earth. But only Noah "walked with God." So, the Flood destroyed the whole earth--all but Noah and his family.
The homosexual and other sins of Sodom and Gomorrah spread over the territory of those two cities. And physical destruction came to their entire area. The sin of the angels was worldwide; the destruction of the physical was worldwide. (And there is reason to believe, as will be explained in chapter 7, universe wide.)
The verses quoted above place the sinning of the angels prior to the antediluvian sins that started with Adam, prior to the creation of man. And that should be a surprise revealing of one phase of the mystery! Angels inhabited this earth before the creation of man.
It is revealed in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, that God placed the archangel Lucifer, a cherub, on a throne on the earth. He was placed there as a ruler over the entire earth. God intended him to rule the earth by administering the government of God over the earth. And the government of God was administered on earth until the rebellion of the sinning angels.
How long these angels inhabited the earth before the creation of man is not revealed. It might have been millions--or even billions--of years. More on that later. But these angels sinned. Sin is the transgression of God's law (I John 3:4). And God's law is the basis of God's government. So we know these angels, apparently a third of all the angels (Rev. 12:4), sinned--rebelled against the government of God. And sin carries penalties. The penalty for the sin of the angels is not death, as it is for man. Angels are immortal spirit beings and cannot die. These spirit beings had been given dominion over the PHYSICAL EARTH as a possession and an abode.
The universal, worldwide sin of the angels resulted in the physical destruction of the face of the earth.
God Rules His Creation
God is Creator. God is also Ruler over his creation. He preserves what he creates by his government. What God creates, he has created for a purpose--to be used, improved, developed, preserved and maintained. And this use is regulated by God's government, the development and improvement of the earth--"putting the icing on the cake"--ceased. The preservation and development of the physical earth and all its original beauty and glory ceased--and physical destruction to the surface of the earth resulted!
By this angelic sin, Lucifer became Satan the devil and his angels became demons.
God is Creator. Preserver and Ruler.
Satan is destroyer!
So, now we read in Jude 6-7: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Now back to Genesis 1:1-2. Verse 1, as stated above, implies a perfect creation. God is the author of life, of beauty, of perfection. Satan has brought only darkness, ugliness, imperfection, violence. Verse 1 shows the creation of a perfect, if unfinished earth, glorious and beautiful. Verse 2 reveals the result of the sin of the angels.
"And the earth was [became] without form, and void." The words "without form, and void" are translated from the Hebrew tohu and bohu. A better translation is "waste and empty" or "chaotic, in confusion and in a state of decay." The word was is elsewhere in Genesis also translated became, as in Genesis 19:26. In other words, the earth, originally created perfect and beautiful, had now become chaotic, waste and empty, like our moon, except earth's surface was covered with water.
David was inspired to reveal how God renewed the face of the earth: "Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth" (Ps. 104:30).
Now another surprise for most readers. Here is another bit of the missing dimension in knowledge, actually revealed in the Bible, but unrecognized by religion, by science and by higher education.
From verse 2 of Genesis 1 on, the remainder of this first chapter of the Bible is not describing the original creation of the earth. But it is describing a renewing of the face of the earth, after it had become waste and empty as a result of the sin of the angels.
What is described from verse 2 on, in the supposed creation chapter of the Bible, did occur, according to the Bible, approximately 6,000 years ago. But that could have been millions or trillions of years after the actual creation of the earth described in verse 1!
I will comment later on the length of time it might have taken before all earth's angels turned to rebellion.
The earth had become waste and empty. God did not create it waste and empty, or in a state of decay. God is not the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33). This same Hebrew word--tohu--meaning waste and empty, was inspired in Isaiah 45:18, where it is translated "in vain." Using the original Hebrew word, as originally inspired, it reads: "For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain [tohu], he formed it to be inhabited."
Continue now with the remainder of verse 2 of Genesis 1 (the earth had become chaotic, waste and empty): "And darkness was upon the face of the deep [the ocean or fluid surface of the earth]. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness" (verses 2-4).
Satan is the author of darkness. The rebellion of the angels had caused the darkness. God is the author of light and truth. Light displays and enhances beauty, and also exposes evil. Darkness hides both.
The verses that follow in this first chapter of the Bible describe the renewing of the face of the earth, yielding beautiful lawns, trees, shrubs, flowers, vegetation--then the creation of fish and fowl, animal life, and finally man.
 

Joedank

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my god IS .
the spark , light , truth, way .
i own my mistakes as i own my own godhead . i imagine god is a box with holes in it . we fill those holes as we shoot back to it . right living makes it easy to return . right thinking speeds the trip , giving to others selflessly well . that its the key to be filled with the "light" you really are....
 

shishkaboy

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What is described from verse 2 on, in the supposed creation chapter of the Bible, did occur, according to the Bible, approximately 6,000 years ago. But that could have been millions or trillions of years after the actual creation of the earth described in verse 1!
I think I can follow your timeline.
First there was a being called "god". Then that being created angels and then the universe. The angels were allowed to inhabit the earth but they sinned and the earths surface beings were destroyed. Then the angels went to hell? and the earth was renewed with the creation of fish, birds and mankind.

My first question would be, where does this interpretation fit the dinosaurs into the picture?
Were the angels on the earth in a physical form? If so were they aliens? Did they leave any archaeological evidence to show their physicality?
Or is there a separate set of laws for the spirit beings to transgress?
Most people would ask why would god allow the angels to sin. In my opinion that would be a waste of a question.
I would rather ask, since the angels were created before the earth, when they visit/ed the earth(original in habitation or otherwise), could they be the aliens or extra terrestrials?
 

CObeastmode

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Not judicial laws, we are talking about science.

You are confusing a fact with a law.

The term fact is kind of a misnomer in this case. We are talking about theories and laws. Something can be a "fact" historically and still not have much to do with science. This conversation was about evolution and creation so I used the term "law" as it relates to science.

All laws come from theories.

How are you so sure that if you dont have water you will die?
Have you tried to test this for yourself?
Maybe you should ask the genius up who says that he don't have time to prove his theory. that he is evolving at the moment. He is learning and growing into something big probably. He has been proved wrong so he's going to evolve now he has no time to waste. I don't get it though. If he is evolving right now how come his offspring will not be born with the knowledge he thinks he has? Why does your offspring still get a flu? Shouldn't he have evolved to prevent this? Hahahahaha. Evolution he said is proven cause things change over time. Kinda if like how you start as a baby, grow to a child, become an adult you know all that stuff that changes over time. Except the only problem is that has happened as far back as he can prove. Like he is evolving right now. He doesnt need to have sex either to reproduce. He has evolved past that. And beside that, why would he when that is not how his evolution started to begin with. He is proved wrong easily so starts calling me dumb. He might be gay so his kid has to be born gay too. If he is. He clearly thinks he doesnt need a female. Hahaha. Then says he has to go evolve, but I can't evolve only smart people like him. Maybe he will grow 2 brains! He definitely could use it. Oh we don't know how long it will take though. Science has given us a corrupted time line he says....OK so i guess he thinks that is the only thing corrupted in his theory. He thinks if a scientist said it then it has to be true. Anyone who disagrees is considered dumb. Hahahahaha this guy is serious too. I think. He just wants to come on here and make fun off people who post bible verses and try to be humble and call them dumb for believing. But he believes he is morphing into a damn power ranger right now.
 
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shishkaboy

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Actually it has always been a fact that if you don't have water you will die. Nobody had to prove anything and it is not a 'law'.

Laws do not come from theories. Theories are ideas yet to be proven and law is a system of rules that are enforced by social institutions to govern behavior.
This definition of law sound very similar to religion to me.

" a system of rules that are enforced by social institutions to govern behavior."
 

The_Herban_Legend

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It comes from a seed I planted. You have to watch out though. It might evolve though at any minute no one knows the time frame for this so it could be tomorrow. Use your imagination again you'll be good.
So then you wouldn't mind enlightening me on what came first? The seed or the plant? Trust me when I tell you, that my wits and education, far surpass yours.
 

CObeastmode

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So then you wouldn't mind enlightening me on what came first? The seed or the plant? Trust me when I tell you, that my wits and education, far surpass yours.
Oh no a smart guy. Why is that? Education on what? Evolution and the science behind it? What makes you think i educated myself on the nonsense you know. Im good on that. No need to waste your time. How about "imagine" you are dropping knowledge to me. I don't teach myself nonsense.
 

The_Herban_Legend

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Oh no a smart guy. Why is that? Education on what? Evolution and the science behind it? What makes you think i educated myself on the nonsense you know. Im good on that. No need to waste your time. How about "imagine" you are dropping knowledge to me. I don't teach myself nonsense.
Yes, because we both know how math and science are rendered useless in the mind of the narrow. Enjoy praying to your god today. May I ask you for a favor? Can you pray to your god tonight and ask your said god to abolish hunger and abuse on children? I know if I had the power, I would!
 

CObeastmode

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Yes, because we both know how math and science are rendered useless in the mind of the narrow. Enjoy praying to your god today. May I ask you for a favor? Can you pray to your god tonight and ask your said god to abolish hunger and abuse on children? I know if I had the power, I would!
Bro. You are not going to have the power ever. No matter how much you evolve. No you would not do that....seeing how you talk. You would be smarter, wait, your knowledge would clearly surpass that thought. Those people are below you cause you know more remember. Don't get started we don't want that knowledge dropped on us
 

CObeastmode

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Yes, because we both know how math and science are rendered useless in the mind of the narrow. Enjoy praying to your god today. May I ask you for a favor? Can you pray to your god tonight and ask your said god to abolish hunger and abuse on children? I know if I had the power, I would!
Nice try trying to be smart. Hey you do me a favor. Go tell Homer up there to quit evolving because it isn't working.
 

CObeastmode

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Yes, because we both know how math and science are rendered useless in the mind of the narrow. Enjoy praying to your god today. May I ask you for a favor? Can you pray to your god tonight and ask your said god to abolish hunger and abuse on children? I know if I had the power, I would!
Now what? Insults again? It makes you look very educated. Thanks for the knowledge man I could have never imagined it.
 

The_Herban_Legend

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Bro. You are not going to have the power ever. No matter how much you evolve. No you would not do that....seeing how you talk. You would be smarter, wait, your knowledge would clearly surpass that thought. Those people are below you cause you know more remember. Don't get started we don't want that knowledge dropped on us
Lmao, pretty funny, but seriously, if your god exists and if prayer works, why not pray to god to abolish hunger and abuse on children? It's not like I am asking for a cure for cancer or aids, as I know that could take your god or any god, several days to concoct.
 

CObeastmode

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Lmao, pretty funny, but seriously, if your god exists and if prayer works, why not pray to god to abolish hunger and abuse on children? It's not like I am asking for a cure for cancer or aids, as I know that could take your god or any god, several days to concoct.
Haha woah man I should never got you started. You seem to know a lot about this "god" off mine. Why you keep bringing that up. You are talking to me not my "god". Nice try though. I can tell you argue "bible thumpers" all day on the net. Not me bro sorry. I'm trying to get you to drop the knowledge i never seen any knowledge like you and homer. He is evolving as we speak its amazing im interested. why you think I can pray to have you quit abusing little children. No way you would pray for other? You are smarter than them they are nothing. I can't help you bro. How about you pray. Try that. You can't do stuff yourself? You clearly want to talk to this god you speak of. This god must be pretty convincing for a smart man like you to know so much about him.
 
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The_Herban_Legend

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This god must be pretty convincing for a smart man like you to know so much about him.
Clever point. You do come equip with wits. I know much about "god" or religion because I have studied several religions, solely for the purpose of having a concrete understanding on what delusions manifest in the minds of the indoctrinated.
 

CObeastmode

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Clever point. You do come equip with wits. I know much about "god" or religion because I have studied several religions, solely for the purpose of having a concrete understanding on what delusions manifest in the minds of the indoctrinated.
I knew that would make you feel good. "Smart people" like you have to be told how smart they are constantly. Make you "feel" more superior? You will never be smarter than me son no matter what you learn. I will not accept that ever cause its nonsense like you . I know just as much buddy. Might not be the same knowledge you read the bible. I haven't. See. Doesn't mean you know anymore than me though. It means you know more about the bible. That's it. Or did your chromosomes double again? I can't do that.
 
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The_Herban_Legend

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Or did your chromosomes double again? I can't do that.
LMFAO! I am going to let you off the hook only because you are witty and made me laugh lots today. Enjoy your day man, I like picking at people's brains from time to time. I may use your chromosome joke in the future. Good stuff.
 
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