The3rdisight
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Well nice try than.
whens the hottest part of the day?
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FresnoFarmer
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haha I'm gonna let you do some research about tap water and learn something new. have a good night.
The3rdisight
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I know enough. Lets see them results from your cloudy water. then end the discussion.
FresnoFarmer
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haha Go scroll back a few posts. those are facts. came from wikipedia, not my test results.....but nonetheless FACTS. Give me one reason I should go in my office, find the water test results, scan them, and upload them to here? Just so I can further prove you wrong? Enough is provided to show that you are wrong already. Why would I go to such lengths to satisfy you? All you need to do is look it up for yourself......oxygen alone does not make my water cloudy.
Rottedroots
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If I fart in the bathtub Does some of the gas become suspended in the water
209 Cali closet grower
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mine didn't?To answer, your question.So no, they don't suspend in water.
indcolts77
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Fresno i have a lot of respect for you so dont get offended when i say youre wrong my dude.
1. I never said the pipes magically create bubbles, its the pressure from the pipes pushing air out when the tap is used..some escapes and the rest is absorbed by the water when the tap is opened at first, creating the cloudiness...eventually it subsides when the tap is open for a bit....also it is less prominent in a household sink where pressure is lower than in a powerful water hose tap outside (which explains ur brothers clear water, i seriously doubt you check his tap very often)
2. Never heard of minerals creating gasses in water?? If this was true (which it isn't) we wouldnt need to carbonate mineral water manually or my drinking water with minerals added for taste would do the same thing when i first opened the bottle or shook it...same for the tap water; let it sit in a bottle for a bit then shake it. Guaranteed no cloudiness will form again, i do this daily.....bottom line minerals do not create gasses, it can only bond with certain ones like oxygen
3. Wikipedia is not a credible source, my professors would laugh in my face and fail me if i cited wikipedia... those "facts" you gave us could be changed by me right now if i really wanted to....here are some credible sources and what they have to say
i. Why is my drinking water discolored? (See various descriptions listed below)
White or cloudy water: The cloudiness in your water may be caused by tiny air bubbles. This occurs when air is under pressure in your water pipes, much like carbon dioxide in a bottle of soda. When you turn on your tap, the pressure is released, allowing the bubbles to appear, just as removing the cap from a soda bottle causes the soda to fizz. The rate and degree to which this occurs is directly related to water temperature and more so to temperature changes. This cloudiness occurs more often in winter when the drinking water is cold and the home, along with its plumbing is heated. If you allow a glass of water to stand for a few moments, the air bubbles will rise to the surface. This phenomenon is called entrained air and does not affect the quality of your water.
Source: http://www.amwater.com/njaw/ensuring-water-quality/water-quality-q-and-a.html
ii. Milky White or Cloudy Water
Milky white water, also commonly described as cloudy, hazy, soapy, or foamy, is almost always caused by air in the water. To see if the white color in the water is due to air, fill a clear glass with water and set it on the counter. Observe the glass of water for 2 or 3 minutes. If the white color is due to air, the water will begin to clear at the bottom of the glass first and then gradually will clear all the way to the top. This is a natural phenomenon and is caused by dissolved air in the water that is released when the faucet is opened. When you relieve the pressure by opening the faucet and filling your glass with water, the air is now free to escape from the water, giving it a milky appearance for a few minutes. If your water is cloudy or milky white in appearance and it does not clear in a glass after 5 minutes, if you are on public water system please contact the public water department in your city or town, or the MassDEP Drinking Water Program at your nearest regional MassDEP office. If the water is from your own well, please contact your local board of health. If you are outside Massachusetts, contact the drinking water program in your state.
Source: http://www.mass.gov/dep/water/drinking/color.htm
If its cloudy for any other reason you have bad water...you said ur waters just fine...guaranteed its air from the pressure in your pipes, not mineral gasses (no such thing)...if you can provide a credible source that proves me wrong i'd be happy to change my.mind
indcolts77
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O and hydrogen sulfide, a highly flammable elemental compound, may be found in WELL water. It is removed by most municipal water districts, being a poisonous gas and all.
I dont dispute it being present in your small town's water tap (they probably use well water) or that oxygen isnt the only thing causing the bubbles (i said AIR pressure is; air is another elemental compound composed of oxygen, nitrogen, and other trace elements)
What i am saying though is if your waters cloudy and its not the air (meaning it doesnt clear after 5 minutes), theres probably some other shit in it (like hydrogen sulfide) which ill pass up on giving to my plants or pets...EDIT: so i do agree that ur water is cloudy due to other reasons but it is definitely not normal..90% of the time it is the pressurized air bubbles
I dont dispute it being present in your small town's water tap (they probably use well water) or that oxygen isnt the only thing causing the bubbles (i said AIR pressure is; air is another elemental compound composed of oxygen, nitrogen, and other trace elements)
What i am saying though is if your waters cloudy and its not the air (meaning it doesnt clear after 5 minutes), theres probably some other shit in it (like hydrogen sulfide) which ill pass up on giving to my plants or pets...EDIT: so i do agree that ur water is cloudy due to other reasons but it is definitely not normal..90% of the time it is the pressurized air bubbles
Rottedroots
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Fecal matter and highly concentrated urine will also discolor water
missnu
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So your tap water has swamp gas in it? Because that is what Hydrogen Sulfide is...I guess that means you must have very very low levels of dissolved oxygen in the water...the presence of high levels of Hydrogen Sulfide means that your water wouldn't be very good for plants...
missnu
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My ex-in laws lived in a place in Charleston and their water looked like it had been mixed with milk, no matter how long you let it sit...and it tasted so terrible and bitter...it was totally totally undrinkable...I have no idea where it was coming from, or if there were warnings posted somewhere not to drink it...but there should have been...then again once you look at the water you don't want to drink it...
The first time we visited I went over and got a glass of water while talking to my ex husband's dad just ran it out of the tap, and I noticed it looked cloudy, but I assumed it was the bubbles...So I took a big drink and promptly spit it back in the sink...to a lot of laughter from ex father in law... he then ran a glass of water and we set it on the counter and the cloudiness didn't clear after a few minutes, or hours...lol. It was just gross.
The first time we visited I went over and got a glass of water while talking to my ex husband's dad just ran it out of the tap, and I noticed it looked cloudy, but I assumed it was the bubbles...So I took a big drink and promptly spit it back in the sink...to a lot of laughter from ex father in law... he then ran a glass of water and we set it on the counter and the cloudiness didn't clear after a few minutes, or hours...lol. It was just gross.
FresnoFarmer
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Finally somebody who knows what I am talking about.....and yes the water here is terrible do to a landfill close by......I have filtered shower heads in all bathrooms and we definitely don't drink from the tap lol......my plants seem to do fine with it though lol.
FresnoFarmer
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yeah I understand where you are coming from bro.....I am definitely not wrong though, so I am glad you corrected yourself. If your professor tested my water in a lab he would definitely tell you I am correct.....this water stays foggy/yellowish after hours of sitting still and you can actually TASTE the dissolved gases in it. I'm pretty sure everybody with a brain knows that there are air bubbles in tap water caused by the pressure from the pipes. But that is not what causes the fogginess in my case. I should have been more clear to try to help you understand.
Edit: And no the water is not normal out here......it smells like rotten eggs sometimes. And in the town the landfill is in people have been trying to sue for years because children have been born with birth defects and the cause has been traced back to the drinking water......it is crazy that they don't do something about it.
missnu
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The rotten egg smell is from the Swamp Gas.
missnu
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I have no idea what made their water so terrible...
Growing up we lived on a lake and filtered our own water, and you add alum to make all the particles float to the top and stick together, well Alum has a terribly bitter taste...just so awful, and the water in summerville, SC (right outside charleston) tastes like it is filled with Alum...so perhaps the water treatment plant is just doing something wrong, because growing up we had the best tasting water ever! Anyway something is not right there in summerville...it is the only place I have encountered tap water I couldn't drink on taste alone...I worked at one place where they had to post notices that water on the site may be contaminated, but that was a strip mining place, so why would you drink their water anyway...and the other was a rinky dink town in SC, that again had notices that cancerous agents were too high to be considered safe, but they think you'll be just fine, but that they legally had to notify us that the water might be full of cancer...so we didn't drink the cancer water either...although it didn't have a cancer taste to it...it was tasteless, colorless, odorless cancer I guess..
Growing up we lived on a lake and filtered our own water, and you add alum to make all the particles float to the top and stick together, well Alum has a terribly bitter taste...just so awful, and the water in summerville, SC (right outside charleston) tastes like it is filled with Alum...so perhaps the water treatment plant is just doing something wrong, because growing up we had the best tasting water ever! Anyway something is not right there in summerville...it is the only place I have encountered tap water I couldn't drink on taste alone...I worked at one place where they had to post notices that water on the site may be contaminated, but that was a strip mining place, so why would you drink their water anyway...and the other was a rinky dink town in SC, that again had notices that cancerous agents were too high to be considered safe, but they think you'll be just fine, but that they legally had to notify us that the water might be full of cancer...so we didn't drink the cancer water either...although it didn't have a cancer taste to it...it was tasteless, colorless, odorless cancer I guess..
FresnoFarmer
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Yeah they say the hydrogen sulfide is "harmless". But the Arsenic is what was causing birth defects I am guessing.
FresnoFarmer
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According to a 1999 study by the National Academy of Sciences, arsenic in drinking water causes bladder, lung and skin cancer, and may cause kidney and liver cancer. The study also found that arsenic harms the central and peripheral nervous systems, as well as heart and blood vessels, and causes serious skin problems. It also may cause birth defects and reproductive problems.