When you vote NO on PROP19, your voting NO to FULL legalization

k4p10kr0n1c

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I've noticed people(s) main problems with Prop 19 is it is a "fake" legalization & it's not "full" legalization. It is partial legalization so that mega-corps can profit & us independent growers will go under because we have certain restrictions. People feel as if these restrictions are pointless & only there to restrict us from making money & allow business' to make money.

WRONG. Restrictions are there for the benefit of the vote. In other words, imagine if Prop 19 stated this,
"Prop 19 legalizes marijuana in any amount of possession & any size of grow area, wherever the resident feels to grow on his/her own property is ok as long as it's on they're property. With Prop 19 you will be allowed to possess ANY amount of marijuana you feel is needed."

That sounds good for us right?

But what about conservatives & non-smokers. Do you think they will vote yes when they know that they're neighbor can now grow a field of marijuana in they're backyard & make the neighborhood a good "hit spot" for criminals. It creates danger for neighborhoods & residents. The first thing criminals (Real criminals) the ones that steal kids bikes at night, break into cars, etc. will scope out houses & find fields in backyards & break into the backyards to steal the crops. That brings danger to neighborhoods. At least with a restriction, there wont be fields for criminals to find as easily & they will see it as a waste of time to hit a house with a few plants, but would it be a waste of time if the house had an entire backyard of plants?

Sure, you may be saying, "Well, without restrictions, they can grow to, so they won't need to terrorize neighborhoods..."

WRONG. Criminals are criminals, they do what they do because they are addicted to crime. WHy grow when I can steal? That's the mentality most of them have. Not to mention, most of them are homeless or can't afford to grow. People can grow, just like people can buy cars, so why are cars getting stolen? Because stealing is easier & when you have a field of marijuana in your backyard or on your 10 acres, they will steal it. That's money & time saved for them.

Now imagine conservatives or non-smokers that want to vote yes because they want California to recover in this financial downfall. They aren't going to want to vote yes without restrictions because neighborhoods get more dangerous AND because what neighbor wants to see weed plants growing over his fence? Some neighbors have kids who play in the backyard, & kids (Like I was) look through fence holes, & will see marijuana being grown, conservatives don't want they're children exposed to marijuana at young ages. Not to mention the SKUNK smell the neighbors will have to put up with because John has 56 plants in his backyard of some straight grapes. Or what about BBQ's with the family... family comes over & sees the neighbor with weed plants growing all over, is that somewhere you want to spend the evening & bring your children? Is that something you want to smell? No. Not everyone is going to grow indoors, without restrictions people will grow INDOORS & OUTDOORS because it's more yield & profit.

These restrictions were put on to help conservative people & non-smokers to vote yes. Other wise they will see Prop 19 as complete anarchy & everyone will be "doped" out in they're minds.

The restrictions are to sway voters to go YES on 19. It was a tactical move not a flaw in Prop 19. Just like Arnold's bill was to sway voters away from Prop 19, a tactical move. How many people are really going to vote YES to legalize what they see as a "Drug" to the full extent? We need to take baby steps towards this thing. Sure Prop 19 isn't FULLY legalizing marijuana, but was medical marijuana fully legalizing it? No. But we all passed that. Medical was used to create a resume, it was used to create a background, it was used to gain credentials. It was used so when they decided to finally introduce a prop to legalize (Prop 19) it would make more sense to the public because the public would see, "Hey medical marijuana didn't really cause any harm... so let's go yes on 19..." without medical marijuana Prop 19 wouldn't stand a chance, it wouldn't exist right now.

This is why we need Prop 19 to go through because without it, what chance do we have to fully legalize in the future? We need 19 to show people we can be responsible with marijuana, that way in another few years we can introduce a new prop FULLY legalizing marijuana & people will be more prone to go yes because medical was a success, prop 19 was a success, so why not go yes on this new prop fully legalizing?

Without 19, how are we suppose to introduce a new prop in the future to go fully legal with no restrictions? We can't, because we don't have those statistics we can gather from 19, we don't have the "figures" showing how much it pulled California out of debt, we don't have anything other then "We want to smoke pot all day everyday" the way the public will see it. Medical marijuana was a baby step to partial legalization, Prop 19 is a baby step to finalizing legalization, & the next prop will be the final step to fully legalizing marijuana.

Right?

Who here can honestly say without medical marijuana passing in 1996, that we would be here today with Prop 19? Ask yourself the same question for the future, what chance do we stand if 19 fails?

If 19 fails, then next time we try to go legal, all those conservatives & non-smokers who voted YES last time, will certainly vote NO this time because they will remember Prop 19 & say to themselves, "It didn't even pass when they wanted it partially legal, why would we pass it to be fully legal?" Wake up people.
 

k4p10kr0n1c

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Wrong , long and misleading
Dude, that's all you ever say. But you never back it with evidence. It's obvious your a grower who is afraid of a real 9-5 job. Misleading? You should read the shit the media puts out if you want to hear about misleading. But then again, the same shit the media is putting out is the same shit your following, which makes sense, because the media never lies. They're the same group that said Marijuana is the most addictive drug in the world, a gateway, it'll kill you by the age of 30, I mean, these dudes have they're facts straight, huh?

Instead of just disagreeing, let's get some input here on how it's "wrong & misleading" in anyway? I mean, I don't doubt that is has cons, but it has more pros.

Then again, I'm talking to someone who thinks the Dyslexic Speedreaders are rap. That alone says how much you know about things. Don't get me wrong, I love Dirt, Andre, & the rest of em... but like Mickey said, you trade one Andre for a better in that of Nickatina. Support a real rapper. Do you even know what rap is?

PS: Long? It was the length of 2 pages from a standard chapter-book, that's hardly "long". But, I guess to someone like you, who never read past 2 pages in school... anything more then a sentence is considered "long". If you can't even manage to read a 2-page explanation, how am I suppose to believe you read anything past 2-pages on Prop 19? Guaranteed you fall under one of the following categories; "grower, none California resident, or ignorant" because it seems the only ones not supporting Prop 19 are one of those three.
 

Benassi

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Can you post one thread that isn't a fucking essay? Even you're response is unnecesarily long... with a PS. :roll:

Lay off the aderal. That all could of been said in a few sentences.
 

beardo

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Dude, that's all you ever say. But you never back it with evidence. It's obvious your a grower who is afraid of a real 9-5 job. Misleading? You should read the shit the media puts out if you want to hear about misleading. But then again, the same shit the media is putting out is the same shit your following, which makes sense, because the media never lies. They're the same group that said Marijuana is the most addictive drug in the world, a gateway, it'll kill you by the age of 30, I mean, these dudes have they're facts straight, huh?

Instead of just disagreeing, let's get some input here on how it's "wrong & misleading" in anyway? I mean, I don't doubt that is has cons, but it has more pros.

Then again, I'm talking to someone who thinks the Dyslexic Speedreaders are rap. That alone says how much you know about things. Don't get me wrong, I love Dirt, Andre, & the rest of em... but like Mickey said, you trade one Andre for a better in that of Nickatina. Support a real rapper. Do you even know what rap is?

PS: Long? It was the length of 2 pages from a standard chapter-book, that's hardly "long". But, I guess to someone like you, who never read past 2 pages in school... anything more then a sentence is considered "long". If you can't even manage to read a 2-page explanation, how am I suppose to believe you read anything past 2-pages on Prop 19? Guaranteed you fall under one of the following categories; "grower, none California resident, or ignorant" because it seems the only ones not supporting Prop 19 are one of those three.
1- First time i ever said exactly that. 2.-not a grower afraid of 9-5. 3-The same media is also putting out the b.s. that your on. 4- so you want these people who said it's a gateway and will kill you in charge of the entire marijuana industry? 5- Wrong And Misleading post because it says - A VOTE AGAINST 19 IS A VOTE AGAINST FULL LEGALIZATION. you show me where prop 19 calls for full marijuana legalization. 6- I dont care what you think music is soposed to be I am a musician and have contributed more to music than most who will critisize me and have been rewarded for doing so more than i could've ever hoped for. P.S. I may well have read more books than you ...sorry if my writting isn't up to snuff good thing my comprihenshion and critical thinking skills are top notch-
 

k4p10kr0n1c

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-1- First time i ever said exactly that-
-You've said things along the same lines, please interpret instead of taking everything literal.

-3-The same media is also putting out the b.s. that your on.-
-No they aren't. Because the media I follow is NORML.COM, a whole different media then FOXNEWS.

-4- so you want these people who said it's a gateway and will kill you in charge of the entire marijuana industry?-
-Since when is Fox News, ABC, & other media outlets going to run the industry? They report on the industry, they don't run it.

-5- Wrong And Misleading post because it says - A VOTE AGAINST 19 IS A VOTE AGAINST LEGALIZATION. you show me where prop 19 calls for full marijuana legalization.-
-I never said "A VOTE AGAINST 19 IS A VOTE AGAINST LEGALIZATION" I said; "When you vote NO on PROP19, your voting NO to FULL legalization"

The way that is to be interpreted is, when voting no on 19, your ruining your chances of a future prop that inquires full legalization. Without 19, we can't get full legalization because we have nothing to fall back on, therefore, when voting no on Prop 19, your voting no on FULL legalization (Future wise). Sorry if that is confusing, it's just a style of writing, like your music is your own style.

-6- I dont care what you think music is soposed to be I am a musician and have contributed more to music than most who will critisize me and have been rewarded for doing so more than i could've ever hoped for.-
If your the real Beardo then I apologize & I give you respect where respect is due. Like I said already, your music is awesome, I just thought you were a fan-boy. I been listening to your guys shit for years, I just did an interview with Avalon (Don't think you two are on speaking terms) for my magazine 2-months ago, not putting your music down (As long as your the artist) just thought you were posing as the artist, my apologies for assuming.

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I'm not trying to be a dick to you, I was simply suggesting you add more information when giving your opinion, that way we can all learn & read. I am always willing to take the time to read responses, especially long ones to gain information. Isn't that what makes the world go around? We need to collaborate & share, network, to gain knowledge. I'm not putting you down for not wanting to vote yes on 19, I just want to hear all sides & get opinions.

I want to see both sides of this from different people.

Can you post one thread that isn't a fucking essay? Even you're response is unnecesarily long... with a PS. :roll:

Lay off the aderal. That all could of been said in a few sentences.
Going by your theory, teachers in schools shouldn't spend more then 50-seconds explaining new subjects then. That means, school should only last about 6-minutes, assuming your school has about 6-periods. Your telling me when you learned how to count, how to read, how to do shit in life, it only took a simple 2-sentence explanation? The teacher never had to spend a whole day on it, or even month? Wow, I always thought more information was better information. The school you go to, essays are only a few sentences huh? So maybe your teacher/school lacked intelligence as well which would explain your situation.

Like I said, it is 2-pages long from a standard chapter book. It amazes me how many people on forums feel that if a response or a thread is longer then 2 sentences, it is a novel or essay. What school did you attend? They did a shitty job if they allowed you to write FULL essays that were only a few paragraphs long. I apologize that I made you read a thread that only takes about 50-seconds to read, is your life so busy you can't take 50-seconds out of it to do some reading? Really?

If it is that busy you shouldn't be on the internet then. It's sad to see what the people of this world have become, paragraphs are now considered a bad thing & to long to read. It's no wonder half the nation is below par in intelligence because nobody knows how to read anymore or are to lazy to read anymore.

Last time I checked, the longer the essay, description, or whatever it may be, the better. Longer means more detail, more information, there is nothing wrong with that, that's how we evolve, that's how we learn.

Just saying...
 

Benassi

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Going by your theory, teachers in schools shouldn't spend more then 50-seconds explaining new subjects then. That means, school should only last about 6-minutes, assuming your school has about 6-periods. Your telling me when you learned how to count, how to read, how to do shit in life, it only took a simple 2-sentence explanation? The teacher never had to spend a whole day on it, or even month? Wow, I always thought more information was better information. The school you go to, essays are only a few sentences huh? So maybe your teacher/school lacked intelligence as well which would explain your situation.

Like I said, it is 2-pages long from a standard chapter book. It amazes me how many people on forums feel that if a response or a thread is longer then 2 sentences, it is a novel or essay. What school did you attend? They did a shitty job if they allowed you to write FULL essays that were only a few paragraphs long. I apologize that I made you read a thread that only takes about 50-seconds to read, is your life so busy you can't take 50-seconds out of it to do some reading? Really?

If it is that busy you shouldn't be on the internet then. It's sad to see what the people of this world have become, paragraphs are now considered a bad thing & to long to read. It's no wonder half the nation is below par in intelligence because nobody knows how to read anymore or are to lazy to read anymore.

Last time I checked, the longer the essay, description, or whatever it may be, the better. Longer means more detail, more information, there is nothing wrong with that, that's how we evolve, that's how we learn.

Just saying...
Big difference between necessary length (especially to teach:roll:), and ranting like a tweaker. You responded to a few words, with a few paragraphs.

And don't think because we say something is long, we just comment without reading. I read the crap, hence my comment for it being unnecessarily long. Stupid, and long.
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

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I think it's funny people think there will be this huge government take over of weed. What you people don't understand is that they already control the weed. How? The fact that it's illegal. If the government wants to try and make some tax money off of marijuana, so be it. That doesn't mean the only weed available will be weed that is grown by major companies. In fact, even more private cultivators will be available to purchase from than before. If you are still not satisfied, grow your own damn strains since YOU WILL BE ABLE TO NOW EVEN IF YOU AREN'T A PATIENT.

Oh, and the bill doesn't repeal any MMJ laws.

Say you wanted some of this bomb medical your guy used to grow. Do you think he's all of a sudden just gonna stop growing his top shelf shit (if prop 19 passes) just because......?? I can't even think of a logical reason why he would change ANYTHING. Why would this guy want to start growing shittier weed when he knows he can grow better for the same cost.
 

k4p10kr0n1c

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Big difference between necessary length (especially to teach:roll:), and ranting like a tweaker. You responded to a few words, with a few paragraphs.

And don't think because we say something is long, we just comment without reading. I read the crap, hence my comment for it being unnecessarily long. Stupid, and long.
Like I said, it's not long. Maybe to you, but not me, then again I guess I went to a regular school, where long was considered 300+ pages from a chapter book. Damned I hated those days.

Tweaker? I guess you would know, never tweaked, never will. Tweaker's ramble, they talk about topics & stray off to new topics & before finishing, they aren't even anywhere close to where they started. Did I ever go that far off topic? I don't believe so, actually I know so. But then again, why would you know the definition of tweaker? You don't seem to know much at all. Well, we already established why that is (Lack of education, 2-sentence essays) it's not your fault where you were raised, so who am I to judge? I guess it's your parents fault for throwing you in such an unorganized school.

Tweaker, lmao, you don't even know what a fucking tweaker is dude. I live in the meth capital of the world, literally... I see tweakers everywhere I go in this shithole, you have no idea what a tweaker is or does. My rambling isn't even considered 5% of a tweaker's rambling. Come to Modesto & you'll see real tweakers, then you can talk like you know.

I think it's funny people think there will be this huge government take over of weed. What you people don't understand is that they already control the weed. How? The fact that it's illegal. If the government wants to try and make some tax money off of marijuana, so be it. That doesn't mean the only weed available will be weed that is grown by major companies. In fact, even more private cultivators will be available to purchase from than before. If you are still not satisfied, grow your own damn strains since YOU WILL BE ABLE TO NOW EVEN IF YOU AREN'T A PATIENT.

Oh, and the bill doesn't repeal any MMJ laws.

Say you wanted some of this bomb medical your guy used to grow. Do you think he's all of a sudden just gonna stop growing his top shelf shit (if prop 19 passes) just because......?? I can't even think of a logical reason why he would change ANYTHING. Why would this guy want to start growing shittier weed when he knows he can grow better for the same cost.
Nicely put. It's not like we don't already pay taxes on everything anyways, so why does it matter if we do on marijuana? Let the government make money, let the state make money, & you continue to make money as well. What's wrong with that? Keep people out of jail, keep families together, & enjoy the herb. What's wrong with that? I pay taxes on food, water, garbage, clothing, work, the list goes on... please add marijuana to that list, I'd be more then happy, it'd be the first thing I'd actually enjoy being taxed on.

If I'm short a few dollars, I can always hit up the street stuff & not pay taxes, nobody is forcing anybody to buy marijuana through the government.
 

beardo

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Like I said, it's not long. Maybe to you, but not me, then again I guess I went to a regular school, where long was considered 300+ pages from a chapter book. Damned I hated those days.

Tweaker? I guess you would know, never tweaked, never will. Tweaker's ramble, they talk about topics & stray off to new topics & before finishing, they aren't even anywhere close to where they started. Did I ever go that far off topic? I don't believe so, actually I know so. But then again, why would you know the definition of tweaker? You don't seem to know much at all. Well, we already established why that is (Lack of education, 2-sentence essays) it's not your fault where you were raised, so who am I to judge? I guess it's your parents fault for throwing you in such an unorganized school.

Tweaker, lmao, you don't even know what a fucking tweaker is dude. I live in the meth capital of the world, literally... I see tweakers everywhere I go in this shithole, you have no idea what a tweaker is or does. My rambling isn't even considered 5% of a tweaker's rambling. Come to Modesto & you'll see real tweakers, then you can talk like you know.



Nicely put. It's not like we don't already pay taxes on everything anyways, so why does it matter if we do on marijuana? Let the government make money, let the state make money, & you continue to make money as well. What's wrong with that? Keep people out of jail, keep families together, & enjoy the herb. What's wrong with that? I pay taxes on food, water, garbage, clothing, work, the list goes on... please add marijuana to that list, I'd be more then happy, it'd be the first thing I'd actually enjoy being taxed on.

If I'm short a few dollars, I can always hit up the street stuff & not pay taxes, nobody is forcing anybody to buy marijuana through the government.
It will do the opposite put more people in jails and prisons for marijuana and you will be forced to go to buy your marijuana from government approved retail sources. And as for being taxed- you don't tax a medicine -you dont tax food- you dont tax a crop- why would you pay a tax on marijuana? especially to the same people who have and will continue to use your tax dollars to wadge war on american citizens ?
 

k4p10kr0n1c

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It will do the opposite put more people in jails and prisons for marijuana and you will be forced to go to buy your marijuana from government approved retail sources. And as for being taxed- you don't tax a medicine -you dont tax food- you dont tax a crop- why would you pay a tax on marijuana? especially to the same people who have and will continue to use your tax dollars to wadge war on american citizens ?
I'm sure they will figure it out, they tax cigarettes, if they have to, they will put some extra ingredient(s) in the marijuana to be able to tax it, you don't think? Thank you for replying with a legit reason, now I'm interested in knowing more from you & will be researching more. This is why this thread was created, to collaborate. I had the impression it would be taxed.
 

beardo

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I'm sure they will figure it out, they tax cigarettes, if they have to, they will put some extra ingredient(s) in the marijuana to be able to tax it, you don't think? Thank you for replying with a legit reason, now I'm interested in knowing more from you & will be researching more. This is why this thread was created, to collaborate. I had the impression it would be taxed.
It will be taxed and they will figure it out- that's the thing their is a lot of money involved and they want a slice instead of a whole lot of small collectives they will have a few huge grows big companies will operate- one in oakland is 60,000 square feet- they will pay a few workers low wadges to produce huge crops that will be processed packaged sent to designated retailers sold and taxed- just like big tobacco - does this really sound good? should we be lining up and cheering for it? Everyone says screw the growers but those same growers are your friends and neighbors and if you own a buisness quite possibily your customers. small time growers help the economy they might not be super cheap but it is work that they do. has phillip morris ever fronted or given you a carton of cigarettes when you were broke or given you a ride when you needed one?+= I've had dealers that have fronted or given me buds and given me rides do you really want to see all of those people out of work and the government telling you where you can grow a plant and how much of it you can have and in what square footage you can grow it and where you can smoke it and how old you have to be????
 

Muppets On Drugs

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i always say it should be like tomatoes or carrots, do what you want with em. Fuck the tax, fuck the age, and fuck buying chemically laced industrial bullshit, and fuck smoking malboro marijuana light menthol with cloves or whatever bull shit they will come up with.

It doesn't concern me too much because even if they wanted to tax it, It's TOTALLY illegal and it's still here on the streets. The illegal weed industry is already so deep in America that the government couldn't successfully tax it. I'm just waiting for them to just let us smoke.
 

k4p10kr0n1c

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It will be taxed and they will figure it out- that's the thing their is a lot of money involved and they want a slice instead of a whole lot of small collectives they will have a few huge grows big companies will operate- one in oakland is 60,000 square feet- they will pay a few workers low wadges to produce huge crops that will be processed packaged sent to designated retailers sold and taxed- just like big tobacco - does this really sound good? should we be lining up and cheering for it? Everyone says screw the growers but those same growers are your friends and neighbors and if you own a buisness quite possibily your customers. small time growers help the economy they might not be super cheap but it is work that they do. has phillip morris ever fronted or given you a carton of cigarettes when you were broke or given you a ride when you needed one?+= I've had dealers that have fronted or given me buds and given me rides do you really want to see all of those people out of work and the government telling you where you can grow a plant and how much of it you can have and in what square footage you can grow it and where you can smoke it and how old you have to be????
Agreed. But look at you now, your looking at it from a moral standpoint for the grower. Others, like myself, are looking at it from a moral standpoint for the families. I can understand your concern for friends, but like I said, the ones against it are the ones that don't want to work a 9-5. No, I certainly don't want to see my friends who give me rides & front me buds to be out of business, but I work a 9-5 in order to pay that friend so he stays in business. So in reality, I am supporting him. Sure, he is supporting me with meds, but when all is said & done, without my real job, he has no job. Right? They don't really help the economy although, I disagree or I am not understanding correctly what you are saying. They are helping because they front us buds when we are low on cash?

If marijuana was put into packs of 20 like cigs for $6.00, then I wouldn't be broke would I? Because I wouldn't be paying a grower $10-20 a dub. Right? So I wouldn't need a front if I was getting weed at such low prices. In the long run, I actually save a shit load of money, if I did need a front on a $6.00 pack of weed cigs, then maybe I shouldn't be smoking if I'm that hard up for bud. I can understand someone needing a front on a $20 dub, that's a huge difference.

So yeah, I guess it does sound good to me for a megacorp to take over marijuana & tax me on it. I'm sorry for the dealers, but hey, we all have to do something with our lives, we can't grow the rest of our lives. That shit catches up with you. Eventually, those growers get caught, if they are big time, & if they aren't big time then that means they aren't making enough money to afford a house payment, car payment, etc. so they should have a 9-5 anyways. Phillip Morris has never fronted me a pack of cigarettes, nor has Mc. Donalds fronted me a happy meal, but does that mean I should go through a farmer to get my hamburger meat & potatoes for fries? No.

The government shouldn't tell you how much you can grow, agreed. That's why it's crucial for 19 to pass, because eventually NORML will get a new prop out fully legalizing it (Hence the title of this thread, make sense now?) not so misleading when you look at it from that direction. You think NORML is going to want us having restrictions? No. We will have to put up with the bullshit for a few years until they get another prop out that goes fully legal. But without 19, we can't ever get that prop because you can't skip steps, it takes time to accomplish goals.

When you made your first rap, was it an automatic hit? Or did you have to keep making raps & keep pushing your music, to get where you are now? You took baby steps. Without that first rap you wrote, you wouldn't be who you are today. Out of all people, being who you are & what you have done, you should know planning takes time & sometimes the plan leads you into shitty situation, like Dirt Nasty doing gay porn. You have to do what you have to do to get where you want & if we want it fully legalized, 19 is something we have to deal with until we get that new prop out. The government shouldn't tell me how much I can grow, or where I can smoke it, or how old I should be. But when has the government ever been a best friend to us? There is bigger issues out there that need solving from a government standpoint then marijuana, much more corrupt things going on, that it doesn't even matter. You live your life everyday through the governments rules, so why is this any different?

You don't kill people because the government says you cant. You don't shoplift, because the government says you can't. You don't smoke cigs in front of infants because the government says you can't. You can grow more then a certain sq ft' because the government says you cant. THAT'S THE GOVERNMENT, THAT'S LIFE! We deal with rules everyday & follow them, this is no different. The restrictions are in place for a reason, the age limit is in place for a reason. Would it be okay for a 10 year old to drink alcohol? No. It also wouldn't be okay for a 10 year old to smoke marijuana, so we need restrictions! Why isn't it okay? Because statistics show kids who start off at young ages tend to lead themselves to bad lives, or dead. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for growers if this thing passes, but don't get me wrong when I say that's life & the growers (myself) will have to learn how to adapt to change.

You can't grow forever & expect to get away with it. Even with a medical card, half the card holders abuse the policy & grow way over the limit allowed, so even they are prone to getting caught. I rather see my "friend" my "dealer" go out of business & get a REAL job then see him in PRISON. Because that's a real friend...

Sorry, you can say that you or someone you know has grown for 25-years without being caught, that's nice. But usually, those people are the same people that are doing it illegally (Without a card or growing over the amount allowed) & the ones that are doing it legally don't make enough to support a full sized family, drive a nice car, & afford a nice house, & put food on the table & clothes on backs of they're children, with cable, internet, & everything else. If they can afford all that, that means they are big time, because only big time can afford a $300 car payment, $1,500 house payment, $800 in food for family, $1,000 every few months on clothes, $200 in gas, $300 in utilities, not to mention vacation costs, & material items, such as TV's, etc. An like I said, big time always get's caught, whether you been doing it for 25 years or not, you will get caught, the numbers favor it. The percent of people going they're entire life, living a wealthy life, not in an apartment, barely affording they're childrens goods, etc. are not good. Maybe 1 in a zillion live a full life, comfortably, growing marijuana. Everybody needs a job eventually if they want to live comfortably. Nobody wants to live sale by sale, check by check, they're entire life, meaning they have to get a career.

You may not mind living a grungy life style, but the majority of people do or will once they get older. Good points though, thank you. Likely we will lose 19, especially after Arnold's BS, but... an opinion is an opinion & mine will always have been yes on 19 & yours no, lol. Both for good reasons though...
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

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i always say it should be like tomatoes or carrots, do what you want with em. Fuck the tax, fuck the age, and fuck buying chemically laced industrial bullshit, and fuck smoking malboro marijuana light menthol with cloves or whatever bull shit they will come up with.

It doesn't concern me too much because even if they wanted to tax it, It's TOTALLY illegal and it's still here on the streets. The illegal weed industry is already so deep in America that the government couldn't successfully tax it. I'm just waiting for them to just let us smoke.
I agree it should be like tomatoes or carrots. No, they wouldn't chemically lace the weed when growing it naturally is cheaper. Yes, they couldn't tax it (and make a good deal of money, the whole point of tax) because everyone will still be buying it from medical growers (and in time, recreational growers) or growing their own. That's why they are fucking themselves over because there will be A LOT MORE POT in Cali if this passes. When everyone's growing their own there will be less demand at the same time that the supply is increasing. Quite simple the only way to truly make it legal is to shower the state (and eventually country) in it. Unless the state decides for no reason that it is legal for all and they don't want any part of their FILTHY GREEDY hands turning weed into a government cash crop. Does that sound like our government? Any government? Yeah right. The funny thing is, they so stupid they think it will actually work for them. They won't make much tax money and in the process they will be allowing California to be even more over ran by weed than it already is. A LOT.
 

k4p10kr0n1c

Member
I agree it should be like tomatoes or carrots. No, they wouldn't chemically lace the weed when growing it naturally is cheaper. Yes, they couldn't tax it (and make a good deal of money, the whole point of tax) because everyone will still be buying it from medical growers (and in time, recreational growers) or growing their own. That's why they are fucking themselves over because there will be A LOT MORE POT in Cali if this passes. When everyone's growing their own there will be less demand at the same time that the supply is increasing. Quite simple the only way to truly make it legal is to shower the state (and eventually country) in it. Unless the state decides for no reason that it is legal for all and they don't want any part of their FILTHY GREEDY hands turning weed into a government cash crop. Does that sound like our government? Any government? Yeah right. The funny thing is, they so stupid they think it will actually work for them. They won't make much tax money and in the process they will be allowing California to be even more over ran by weed than it already is. A LOT.
We also have to remember America, especially California, is a lazy country/state. As nice as it sounds for everyone to "eventually" start growing it themselves, is unlikely. You can grow tomatoes yourself to, but who does it? People in this country much rather dish out $6.00 on a pack of bud cigs then grow it themselves. Not to mention, with restrictions, you will be forced to buy government weed, because you won't have crop after crop coming in daily, what are you suppose to do when your waiting on your grow to finish in 8-weeks? Your going to buy a pack of bud cigs for 8-weeks until your grow is done.

An there is to many people that think this way; "Electricity costs, time, preparation, & extra materials needed for growing is too much to afford, or learn, I rather just dish out the few bucks & buy it from the gas station or wherever..." Not everybody voting yes is a grower, actually not many at all considering the growers are all going no. So the majority of voters going yes are buyers, not growers, therefore they will buy it from government rather then grow it. Right? Nobody wants to buy meat from the store & potatoes & cook they're own food when they can go to Mc. Donalds, so what makes this any different?

So many people will be buying it from retailers it's just another version of cigarettes.
 

NBKA

Active Member
Dude, that's all you ever say. But you never back it with evidence. It's obvious your a grower who is afraid of a real 9-5 job. Misleading? You should read the shit the media puts out if you want to hear about misleading. But then again, the same shit the media is putting out is the same shit your following, which makes sense, because the media never lies. They're the same group that said Marijuana is the most addictive drug in the world, a gateway, it'll kill you by the age of 30, I mean, these dudes have they're facts straight, huh?

Instead of just disagreeing, let's get some input here on how it's "wrong & misleading" in anyway? I mean, I don't doubt that is has cons, but it has more pros.

Then again, I'm talking to someone who thinks the Dyslexic Speedreaders are rap. That alone says how much you know about things. Don't get me wrong, I love Dirt, Andre, & the rest of em... but like Mickey said, you trade one Andre for a better in that of Nickatina. Support a real rapper. Do you even know what rap is?

PS: Long? It was the length of 2 pages from a standard chapter-book, that's hardly "long". But, I guess to someone like you, who never read past 2 pages in school... anything more then a sentence is considered "long". If you can't even manage to read a 2-page explanation, how am I suppose to believe you read anything past 2-pages on Prop 19? Guaranteed you fall under one of the following categories; "grower, none California resident, or ignorant" because it seems the only ones not supporting Prop 19 are one of those three.
Where is your proof?

And they just came out with a new style of music, its country mixed with rap, there calling it crap! Because of its parents............
 

k4p10kr0n1c

Member
Where is your proof?

And they just came out with a new style of music, its country mixed with rap, there calling it crap! Because of its parents............
1: This is old
2: Beardo as well as myself already got past this.
3: Proof for what?
4: That joke is reeeeealllllly old.
5: Thanks for keeping the thread on the front page with a bump.

=)
 

KlosetKing

Well-Known Member
once again, mmj doctors, dispensary workers, and caregivers worried about losing their monopoly. Its funny how we finally get to the point of it being at our fingertips then people who were supposed to be on our side are going to cockblock us. greedy bastards.
 

k4p10kr0n1c

Member
once again, mmj doctors, dispensary workers, and caregivers worried about losing their monopoly. Its funny how we finally get to the point of it being at our fingertips then people who were supposed to be on our side are going to cockblock us. greedy bastards.
Yeah, what happened to them caring about us getting our meds at the absolute cheapest prices? They all compete with one another (From a dispensary point of view) one gives out cards for $85, the other for $120, the other for $150 & they all claim to be lowering the prices for us. Wen in reality, like the government, they're lowering costs to make it more appealing to buy/go through them, not because they are trying to save us money. That's the last thing on they're mind, they're trying to bone us for money. It's also great to see that half these assholes I talked to since 2003 always talk about how it would be great to just reform the laws even if it wasn't fully legal, as long as it got us one step closer, & how it would be nice to pay $15 a 1/8 of bomb bud, but now, those same guys are making excuses not to pass on 19.

What happened to loyalty? They are just as bad as the government they are talking down upon, everything they say about the government & marijuana is everything they have been doing since 96'!
 
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