When to switch flowering for solid 15oz/400 grams or more? 5 plants at the 6th week of vegetation

touchthebug

touchthebug

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Hey everybody.
I have 5 plants under 600 watts with a cool hood.
Grow tent 4x4x6 or 1.2mt x 1.2mt x 2mt
Have good ventilation, air flows in and goes out by filter.
I use 4 different nutrients and supplements. They react really well to dosage and how much times i use weekly

They are in vegetation for 46 days/6 weeks.

TOPPING : just once, at the 4th week of vegetation.
LST : two times, at the 5th and 6th week of vegetation.
DEFOLIATE : once, at 5th week, less than 1/4 of the plant for creating new bud site or to make it faster.



Super Lemon Haze
Height:15 cm/6 inch
Width: 60 cm/24 inch
Bud Sites: 10+10 small

X Haze (two of them)
Height:15 cm/6 inch
Width: 45 cm/18 inch
Bud Sites: 10+5 small

Kandy Kush
Height: 21cm/8 inch
Width: 60 cm/24inch
Bud Sites: 11+11 small

Purple Bud
Height: 12 cm/5 inch
Width: 45 cm/18 İnch
Bud Sites: 15+6 small

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So how much more time i should spend at vegetation for aimed yield or am i already there?
 
Cyrus420

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Your plants will stretch anywhere from two to three times taller than they are when you switch to flowering. So ideally you'll want to fill all available space, given that you have adequate ventilation and airflow, as well as optimal temperatures. So veg your tent to about 1/3 full then flower.
 
touchthebug

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Cyrus420 said:
Your plants will stretch anywhere from two to three times taller than they are when you switch to flowering. So ideally you'll want to fill all available space, given that you have adequate ventilation and airflow, as well as optimal temperatures. So veg your tent to about 1/3 full then flower.
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Thank you for your reply Cyrus420. Hope everything is great!

Vegging your tent 1/3 full then flower is for maximizing the yield as much as your grow space allows you.
Without thinking the size of the tent or the best time for maximing the yield. Do you think if i initiate flowering right now at the week 6/day 46, under 600 watts, with these 5 plant, would it be possible to get 15 oz/400 grams yield. If it's not what is your experiences telling you by judging them from the picture?

I grew outdoor, couple of autos for 3 summer session. This is my first experience with photoperiod strains and indoor growing. So have no experiences or feelings telling me when to switch for aimed yield. Aim is like 80 grams/2.9 oz per plant.

Greetings..
 
Cyrus420

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touchthebug said:
Thank you for your reply Cyrus420. Hope everything is great!

Vegging your tent 1/3 full then flower is for maximizing the yield as much as your grow space allows you.
Without thinking the size of the tent or the best time for maximing the yield. Do you think if i initiate flowering right now at the week 6/day 46, under 600 watts, with these 5 plant, would it be possible to get 15 oz/400 grams yield. If it's not what is your experiences telling you by judging them from the picture?

I grew outdoor, couple of autos for 3 summer session. This is my first experience with photoperiod strains and indoor growing. So have no experiences or feelings telling me when to switch for aimed yield. Aim is like 80 grams/2.9 oz per plant.

Greetings..
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Filling your tent will be the best way to get to that 15oz when you switch is going to be to when your plants have filled the most space they will be able to. If you scrog all those plants, filled your scrog screen, then flip I'm sure you'll get a reasonable amount. No one on here is going to be able to give you a date and time to switch to get the yield you desire.
 
StoneyMcphatter

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touchthebug said:
Thank you for your reply Cyrus420. Hope everything is great!

Vegging your tent 1/3 full then flower is for maximizing the yield as much as your grow space allows you.
Without thinking the size of the tent or the best time for maximing the yield. Do you think if i initiate flowering right now at the week 6/day 46, under 600 watts, with these 5 plant, would it be possible to get 15 oz/400 grams yield. If it's not what is your experiences telling you by judging them from the picture?

I grew outdoor, couple of autos for 3 summer session. This is my first experience with photoperiod strains and indoor growing. So have no experiences or feelings telling me when to switch for aimed yield. Aim is like 80 grams/2.9 oz per plant.

Greetings..
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You either need to veg 2 more weeks or add another 600w light mate. But if you do either or even both of those things then ya got yer 15oz covered easy.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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I think you've got to pull that scrog net over & veg until it is full to max out your yield. You are definitely on the right path though and have the tools to get there. I've never realized the 1 gram per watt threshold and it is mostly due to lack of training and impatience Hard to say how many weeks more but I think if you fill up every square inch you can with as many modes as you can you can get 400+ grams from these. Nice job so far but looking at them I would go up to a larger pot if max yields are what you are after.
 
kiwipaulie

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Richard Drysift said:
I think you've got to pull that scrog net over & veg until it is full to max out your yield. You are definitely on the right path though and have the tools to get there. I've never realized the 1 gram per watt threshold and it is mostly due to lack of training and impatience Hard to say how many weeks more but I think if you fill up every square inch you can with as many modes as you can you can get 400+ grams from these. Nice job so far but looking at them I would go up to a larger pot if max yields are what you are after.
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I agree, fill the screen as much as possible. You want min 75% coverage and the 600w is more than enough to get you there.
 
touchthebug

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SPLFreak808 said:
All about canopy control bro. I agree with filling the screen.
Hmm where did you get those haze ladies?
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My girlfriend brought them from Amsterdam Sensi Seed Company. I actually wanted strains like Big Bud, Jack Herer, Great White Shark but she wasn't able to find them in Amsterdam :wall:

But i am really pleased with Super Lemon Haze. Even just Lemon Haze is 35$ per gram so would be super nice to pull atleast 100 grams from it.
I've never heard of those X Haze's before and there are no grow journal on this strain.

Do you know if it's any good?
 
SPLFreak808

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touchthebug said:
My girlfriend brought them from Amsterdam Sensi Seed Company. I actually wanted strains like Big Bud, Jack Herer, Great White Shark but she wasn't able to find them in Amsterdam :wall:

But i am really pleased with Super Lemon Haze. Even just Lemon Haze is 35$ per gram so would be super nice to pull atleast 100 grams from it.
I've never heard of those X Haze's before and there are no grow journal on this strain.

Do you know if it's any good?
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Never heard of em, they definitely have indica in them so idk? Thats why i asked actually lol
 
touchthebug

touchthebug

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Richard Drysift said:
I think you've got to pull that scrog net over & veg until it is full to max out your yield. You are definitely on the right path though and have the tools to get there. I've never realized the 1 gram per watt threshold and it is mostly due to lack of training and impatience Hard to say how many weeks more but I think if you fill up every square inch you can with as many modes as you can you can get 400+ grams from these. Nice job so far but looking at them I would go up to a larger pot if max yields are what you are after.
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4 18lt/5gal pots came up with the grow tent set but for Super Lemon Haze i got 25lt/7gal pot since it's sativa and i wanted it big.
In the begining my plan was to scrog them. I even got really nice scrog net. It's elastic and you can move up and down.
It seems like this;
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It would be my first time with scrog and the lst.
I decided to give chance to lst before i scrog. I topped first once then first lst session with only one tie to put plants horizontally.
A week later second session of lst, i tied everyting is big enough to tie.
And i really like it.
If i scrog i wouldn't be able to move pots around for watering for flushing etc.
For these reasons i don't want to scrog only lst. Do i have to scrog do you think? Wouldn't lst do the same work?
Or do you think scrog is more elite gardening compare to lst?
 
SPLFreak808

SPLFreak808

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touchthebug said:
4 18lt/5gal pots came up with the grow tent set but for Super Lemon Haze i got 25lt/7gal pot since it's sativa and i wanted it big.
In the begining my plan was to scrog them. I even got really nice scrog net. It's elastic and you can move up and down.
It seems like this;
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It would be my first time with scrog and the lst.
I decided to give chance to lst before i scrog. I topped first once then first lst session with only one tie to put plants horizontally.
A week later second session of lst, i tied everyting is big enough to tie.
And i really like it.
If i scrog i wouldn't be able to move pots around for watering for flushing etc.
For these reasons i don't want to scrog only lst. Do i have to scrog do you think? Wouldn't lst do the same work?
Or do you think scrog is more elite gardening compare to lst?
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I would just veg them out from now on, no more topping lmao it's going to run out of room, if you have an uneven top then tuck it to another square and try to prep the plant for flower with an even foliage.
They look good, lst is pretty much the same thing as scrog but imo, scrog makes it less work instead of tying branches one by one and checking them every day, you can also water to 30% runoff and prevent nutrient shock by not feeding too much unless they ask for it. If you really want to, you could build some type of pot enclosure that has a built in screen over it that way you can move the pots individually but that seems like alot of work. What i did was put my pots on little bricks and i had a small rubbermaid tray underneath the bricks to catch my run-off. Then i would water my plants with a 2ft funnel. The net from the scrog holds everything together so you dont gotta worry about that tying bullshit except in your case, the plants on the side might grow right past the screen unless you make it bigger lol. If you don't have experience with making an even canopy then i would scrog a few runs first to see how things work.
 
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kiwipaulie

kiwipaulie

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Personally id ditch that net and grab some plastic trellis stuff from a hardware store. That way you can just zip tie each corner and cover the whole floor print.

The way I dealt with catching run off, was to just chuck a shower base on some bricks and just drained it into a ice cream tub.
 
touchthebug

touchthebug

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SPLFreak808 said:
I would just veg them out from now on, no more topping lmao it's going to run out of room, if you have an uneven top then tuck it to another square and try to prep the plant for flower with an even foliage.
They look good, lst is pretty much the same thing as scrog but imo, scrog makes it less work instead of tying branches one by one and checking them every day, you can also water to 30% runoff and prevent nutrient shock by not feeding too much unless they ask for it. If you really want to, you could build some type of pot enclosure that has a built in screen over it that way you can move the pots individually but that seems like alot of work. What i did was put my pots on little bricks and i had a small rubbermaid tray underneath the bricks to catch my run-off. Then i would water my plants with a 2ft funnel. The net from the scrog holds everything together so you dont gotta worry about that tying bullshit except in your case, the plants on the side might grow right past the screen unless you make it bigger lol. If you don't have experience with making an even canopy then i would scrog a few runs first to see how things work.
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Smart way to deal with runoff.
If put them in scrog, i will put shortest, smallest plants in the center of the grow tent.
Taller ones on sides.
I think i would achieve something like v scrog.
Do you think this would be right path to follow?
 
touchthebug

touchthebug

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kiwipaulie said:
Personally id ditch that net and grab some plastic trellis stuff from a hardware store. That way you can just zip tie each corner and cover the whole floor print.

The way I dealt with catching run off, was to just chuck a shower base on some bricks and just drained it into a ice cream tub.
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Also smart but bit complicated way to deal with runoff.
Would be be to hard to send picture of your system?
I am really curious about what you've done there..
 
kiwipaulie

kiwipaulie

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touchthebug said:
Also smart but bit complicated way to deal with runoff.
Would be be to hard to send picture of your system?
I am really curious about what you've done there..
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Not complicated at all my friend.

See the pic and the plastic trellis shit I'm talking about also.

To be honest, now I've learnt in soil that you shouldn't have lots of run off, so its kinda unnecessary, I ended up switching to just using those big throwaway baking tin foil dishes you can get and just used them as a saucer.

My setup has evolved now however and I went vert not so long ago and have now switched to rdwc. Should have done it years ago, as the growth shits all over soil and coco grows. Check out my grow journal in my sig
 

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Richard Drysift

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touchthebug said:
4 18lt/5gal pots came up with the grow tent set but for Super Lemon Haze i got 25lt/7gal pot since it's sativa and i wanted it big.
In the begining my plan was to scrog them. I even got really nice scrog net. It's elastic and you can move up and down.
It seems like this;
View attachment 3707488
It would be my first time with scrog and the lst.
I decided to give chance to lst before i scrog. I topped first once then first lst session with only one tie to put plants horizontally.
A week later second session of lst, i tied everyting is big enough to tie.
And i really like it.
If i scrog i wouldn't be able to move pots around for watering for flushing etc.
For these reasons i don't want to scrog only lst. Do i have to scrog do you think? Wouldn't lst do the same work?
Or do you think scrog is more elite gardening compare to lst?
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Personally I prefer 10g but 7 is better than 5g. Scrog isn't just elite gardening method. If growing in a small space you want to use every inch you can & max out your yield. The idea is to have as many nodal areas where bud grows as possible and to expose them to the light source evenly.
I have rolling scrog screens but I've only built three so far....basically just a moving dolly with a PVC frame and rabbit fence over the top as a screen. The screens always yield more than a trained plant because it keeps the canopy even. No one cola gets more/less light over another which keeps them uniformly the same size. A screen or a trellis does the same thing but you could also just train them out but it is more effort and LST-ing to keep the canopy even without a screen in my exp. Yes once they are tied like that they are pretty much stuck there which is why I built my scrog screen on rolling casters so they can easily be moved from the veg tent to the bloom room & be spun daily for even light.
 
touchthebug

touchthebug

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Richard Drysift said:
Personally I prefer 10g but 7 is better than 5g. Scrog isn't just elite gardening method. If growing in a small space you want to use every inch you can & max out your yield. The idea is to have as many nodal areas where bud grows as possible and to expose them to the light source evenly.
I have rolling scrog screens but I've only built three so far....basically just a moving dolly with a PVC frame and rabbit fence over the top as a screen. The screens always yield more than a trained plant because it keeps the canopy even. No one cola gets more/less light over another which keeps them uniformly the same size. A screen or a trellis does the same thing but you could also just train them out but it is more effort and LST-ing to keep the canopy even without a screen in my exp. Yes once they are tied like that they are pretty much stuck there which is why I built my scrog screen on rolling casters so they can easily be moved from the veg tent to the bloom room & be spun daily for even light.
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I see. Since the scrog net i have can be easily removed it wouldn't be problem to move pots to bathroom for flushing?
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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That sounds like a pain in the ass. I stopped flushing when I went organic; best decision I ever made growing imo. You could just give them straight water; you don't have to flush them in a tub unless you give them too much nutrient. I don't even allow the water to run through anymore. I think it is easier to water light & more often than to have runoff all over the floor.
 
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