When to flip to 12/12 using scrog method. Need advice

I have a 12x12 area, total 64 plants. 8 rows of 8 plants.

I am attempting at a scrog. the plants are just around a foot tall. I will be doing a perpetual grow so i can keep pumping new babies in every cycle. so im not trying to grow monsters this go, but i do want to maximize yields and not under veg where the canopy is far shy of filling up. Judging from the picture, when should i flip to 12/12 to maximize space and yield without overcrowding? Do i wait until the plants grow few inches above the trellis and then bend them back down to fill min 70% of the canopy or can i flip them now and basically train them through the first few weeks of stretch?

If i flip them now is it still possible that through the next few weeks i can get a full canopy?

wizardof0z said:

I have a 12x12 area, total 64 plants. 8 rows of 8 plants.

I am attempting at a scrog. the plants are just around a foot tall. I will be doing a perpetual grow so i can keep pumping new babies in every cycle. so im not trying to grow monsters this go, but i do want to maximize yields and not under veg where the canopy is far shy of filling up. Judging from the picture, when should i flip to 12/12 to maximize space and yield without overcrowding? Do i wait until the plants grow few inches above the trellis and then bend them back down to fill min 70% of the canopy or can i flip them now and basically train them through the first few weeks of stretch?

If i flip them now is it still possible that through the next few weeks i can get a full canopy?

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If it were my awesome 12x12 - I might do a 50/50 split to learn the difference.

Start weaving and lacing now, on all of the plants, before and all the way thru the 3 weeks of stretching.

Let half of them veg for another week, or two. Then flip.

Flip half of them now.

Looks like a great grow - best of luck!

wizardof0z said:

I have a 12x12 area, total 64 plants. 8 rows of 8 plants.

I am attempting at a scrog. the plants are just around a foot tall. I will be doing a perpetual grow so i can keep pumping new babies in every cycle. so im not trying to grow monsters this go, but i do want to maximize yields and not under veg where the canopy is far shy of filling up. Judging from the picture, when should i flip to 12/12 to maximize space and yield without overcrowding? Do i wait until the plants grow few inches above the trellis and then bend them back down to fill min 70% of the canopy or can i flip them now and basically train them through the first few weeks of stretch?

If i flip them now is it still possible that through the next few weeks i can get a full canopy?

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If you're looking to scrog I would suggest a smaller net the squares should be from 2x2 in to 6x6 in squares. Also if you didn't scrog already then if you scrog now they will be monster plants when 4th week hits and I don't think you have the space for them big plants. Just do it on your next run. Start scrog sooner.

I use smaller netting and get my nets half full in veg
That just looks like support if you have already flipped

TintEastwood said:

If it were my awesome 12x12 - I might do a 50/50 split to learn the difference.

Start weaving and lacing now, on all of the plants, before and all the way thru the 3 weeks of stretching.

Let half of them veg for another week, or two. Then flip.

Flip half of them now.

Looks like a great grow - best of luck!

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it would be hard to do a 50/50 split as i would have to create another room to separate these. BUTTT I do have another room already in its first week of flower where i vegged them to be about 1.5 feet tall and trained them under a trellis where they whole canopy was full before flipping. it seems way over crowded if you look at the pic below and if i want big dense buds looks like i will have to aggressively defoliate and or lolipop again on day 21 (lollipopped them a week before flip) if i defoliate/lolipop on day 21 should i just take everything under and only leave 2-3 nodes? not looking for popcorn buds. thats why im wondering this room if i should flip now or when 60-70% full. if anyone has good advice it could save me some time =)

there are a shitload of tops on these and my thinking is that in order for those top collas to all become big and dense i would have to lolipop anything under its so the can just focus growth on the tops.

So you're gonna be hopping around in that net trying to bend tops and fill that?

I admire your enthusiasm.

Herb & Suds said:

I use smaller netting and get my nets half full in veg
That just looks like support if you have already flipped

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have not flipped yet.

Cx2H said:

So you're gonna be hopping around in that net trying to bend tops and fill that?

I admire your enthusiasm.

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they are moveable tables....so its not hard to get to the middles

wizardof0z said:

they are moveable tables....so its not hard to get to the middles

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Once the net is up the plant is a fixture, it can't be moved. I still don't think you have the space. You could do half as many plants but tripling your yeild. Its a give and take. Also get the veg time down to a science if you going to do perpetual.

hellmutt bones said:

Once the net is up the plant is a fixture, it can't be moved. I still don't think you have the space. You could do half as many plants but tripling your yeild. Its a give and take. Also get the veg time down to a science if you going to do perpetual.

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i meant if i decided that vegging a few more weeks was the better option, i can still easily get to the middles to bend and train them under the trellis.
after my canopy is full or its done stretching i would not touch them anymore and just let them focus on flowering.

in my mind i have 2 options right now...

option 1. Flip now and continue to train through the trellis during the first 2-3 weeks of stretch in flowering and hope that it will be able to fill the canopy and save me weeks of more veg time

OR

option 2. veg longer for the next few weeks to allow the plants to grow slight taller than my trellis and start training until i have 70% of the canopy full.

if option 1 can still get me a full canopy during a flip now without hurting flowering, than i would prefer to flip them now. im just wondering if they are even big enough to fill the space and still maximize yield. my worry is that i flip now and then i have bunch of empty space in my canopy.

ps....definitely need to get more grows under my belt to perfect the perpetual grow. its just my goal im working towards...one day i hope!

seasoned growers....which option would you choose? please help

Part of me leans towards veging for another ~ 2 weeks to get closer to that 70% fill before you flip. You can always snip excess, but you can't add it in once you've flipped.

If i were you at this point I would bend and tie down every branch you can forcing side shoots and flip it
But next time I would start weaving with less plants during veg stage I like my net right down near top of pot
Your yield will suffer this run but live and learn

if it were my room, I would veg until the net was full, I don't like to see any light looking up through the canopy. Easy to cut the excess off but hard to get her big enough if you flip too soon.


That will be quite the jungle and difficult to manage at that size, I hope you enjoy twister! Even with moveable tables once the plants are supported and woven through the net moving them will be tough.

sandman83 said:

if it were my room, I would veg until the net was full, I don't like to see any light looking up through the canopy. Easy to cut the excess off but hard to get her big enough if you flip too soon.


That will be quite the jungle and difficult to manage at that size, I hope you enjoy twister! Even with moveable tables once the plants are supported and woven through the net moving them will be tough.

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yes i know...when day 21 comes around to defoliate, its a little pain in the ass, but as for just bending and tucking them under a mesh thats no problem.

question: can i still lolipop on day 21 when defoliating? or is that too much stress. my other room is a bit of a nightmare where the whole canopy is filled and have lots of tops. they were lolipopped/topped during its last week of veg and still grew way more than expected . seems as if i left too much underneath where it probably isnt going to get much light so i rather not keep popcorn buds and have the plant just focus on the tops. just dont want to shock them too much where it stunts and i dont get as big and dense nugs

a little update. decided to veg longer and looks like the canopy has filled up. this is one week into flower and i also got smaller squares for my trellis. thanks for the advice.