When Prop19 Passes...

I don't smoke it in any case

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Why are you on this forum?

You can be pro 19, I am, but you need to understand that everybody on this forum who is voting no, has a reason for voting no. Don't go with the default: "They want to make more money" assumption. This prop has the potential to really piss off the feds, and that could mean hell for 215. I think that is a lot of people's concerns. I personally do not think this will happen, which is why I'm voting yes, but you need to understand that it is possible for negative repercussions to spring out of nowhere because of 19.
Some people don't feel like bud should be taxed. It's a plant for fuck's sake, there should only be one tax on it, and that's sales tax.

For people who live in already weed friendly counties, this prop doesn't do much, and enforces some restrictions that haven't really been enforced since they were created in 2000.

Some people don't like that the age restriction is 21, which really I feel like won't affect the sales too much, it'll be like alcohol, but they believe jail time will follow if someone over 21 shares a joint with someone under 21. That would really suck ass.

Some people think that cops will be dicks about 215 and only pay attention to 19. Cops are notorious for being assholes, and it is very likely that if you do not bring up the exact citation from the prop that says your exempt, the cop will deny it's existence. However, I have memorized sections 7 and 8, so I'm alright there.

Those are the four major areas of controversy I've found by talking to the "no on 19 crowd." I used to think that arguing my point was a good idea, but I realized that it is possible for the prop to go either way, I guess I'm being optimistic, while the "no crowd" is being pessimistic. We'll just see what happens come November 3rd. The biggest step has already been made, getting a mj legalization measure on the ballot. It's not like after this one dies (I have a feeling it probably will) there won't be another one that pops up next year. Patience is a virtue, if you want buds to be legal then just keep voting yes whenever you feel like the prop benefits you. The whole point of voting is to benefit yourself, don't get angry at people who vote no because they are benefiting themselves, if you were in their shoes you would do the same.

Ok, so quick summary of possibilities:

Headshops will be online again in the US (shipping only to CA of course)
Seed shops will be online again in the US (shipping only to CA of course)

Remaining states will ultimately follow suit, who's the first? Oregon? Colorado?

Millions of dollars flooding back to Mexico for MJ will see a decline

The feds, who currently have zero control over MJ as it is, will have no recourse but to give in the fight.

Independent growers, selling to children, at high prices, sitting around in their undies all day, making more money than most hard-working Americans, on the side of the Feds, and do NOT want legalization, will be OUT OF BUSINESS.

Quality overall will go up since the science of weed will become more commercially professional. Although, then it will probably be made 'unhealthy' in some chemical way by the pharm companies and the free-market when it becomes federally legal

There will be massive WORLDWIDE media coverage, especially since this is the first law of it's kind in the world. Minute details will be under scrutiny. If taxation were to start, and the Feds started cracking down, thus hurting the revenue of the state, what would then happen I wonder.

Price will go down, but probably not by too much. Profits/Taxes will be funding schools, building roads, maintaining parks instead of funding your local douche-bag grower's lifestyle or Mexico's war

Misc detail laws to prevent 'stoned' driving (as opposed to 'drunk' driving) etc will be enacted. That's just an example. The point being, further details will need to be worked out I'm sure and grow with the legislation to make it safe for all.

You know what WILL NOT change? Marijuana won't stop being the #1 crop in CA. Not citrus, not grapes, not avocados, not artichokes.

CA may very well be the new Amsterdam. Can you imagine OAKLAND being loved the world over for it's world-class Cannibis conferences ? Heh. Plane tickets will be a helluva lot cheaper, eh?

Politicians will be 'caught' firing up eventually

mipbar said:

Ok, so quick summary of possibilities:

Headshops will be online again in the US (shipping only to CA of course)
Seed shops will be online again in the US (shipping only to CA of course)

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No, head shops operate as tobacco shops and why would seed shops only send to California? It's already illegal all over the country so why would seed shops choose to stop shipping to the states?

Remaining states will ultimately follow suit, who's the first? Oregon? Colorado?

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Hopefully states will follow suite but who knows.

Millions of dollars flooding back to Mexico for MJ will see a decline

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Not really, until the rest of the country legalizes it. Most of the weed from Mexico doesn't go to California. It mostly gets transported across the country to places that are still hard on pot.

The feds, who currently have zero control over MJ as it is, will have no recourse but to give in the fight.

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Who said they don't have any control now? As long as the federal law remains the feds will always act in the manner they always have.

Independent growers, selling to children, at high prices, sitting around in their undies all day, making more money than most hard-working Americans, on the side of the Feds, and do NOT want legalization, will be OUT OF BUSINESS.

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Marijuana will continue to be the biggest cash crop regardless, this is one state out of 50.

Quality overall will go up since the science of weed will become more commercially professional. Although, then it will probably be made 'unhealthy' in some chemical way by the pharm companies and the free-market when it becomes federally legal

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You can't mass produce quality and there will be a market for commercial and connoisseur grade marijuana. Quality will always dictate market price.

There will be massive WORLDWIDE media coverage, especially since this is the first law of it's kind in the world. Minute details will be under scrutiny. If taxation were to start, and the Feds started cracking down, thus hurting the revenue of the state, what would then happen I wonder.

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While I wish it would get coverage it probably won't to the extent you think it will.

The Feds already crack down. They might put more scrutiny on California but they already put a lot of resources into the state anyway.

Price will go down, but probably not by too much. Profits/Taxes will be funding schools, building roads, maintaining parks instead of funding your local douche-bag grower's lifestyle or Mexico's war

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Some people will be making more money than ever. The select few that get commercial permits will be able to sell for profit. All that this does is funnel the money to a select few that sell commercially giving them control over the marijuana market while giving them more influence.

Misc detail laws to prevent 'stoned' driving (as opposed to 'drunk' driving) etc will be enacted. That's just an example. The point being, further details will need to be worked out I'm sure and grow with the legislation to make it safe for all.

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There is no way that they can test if your high like they test for alcohol with a breathalyser. This will be a mess because they will try to impose some type of law which will probably be unenforceable.

CA may very well be the new Amsterdam. Can you imagine OAKLAND being loved the world over for it's world-class Cannibis conferences ? Heh. Plane tickets will be a helluva lot cheaper, eh?

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That might be an outcome but Oakland won't be the city that gets the rep since they will only allow 4 commercial production facilities and I guarantee they won't be organic.

Politicians will be 'caught' firing up eventually

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They already have and it hasn't changed anything.

je$ter said:

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Yes, really, illegal. Call the DEA and see what they have to say about your business. You are free riding on the backs of tens of thousands of people arrested every year in California. Vote for prop 19 and make it legal in CA. I don't think it will hurt your business at all if 19 passes.

If prop19 passes, it will still be the same amount of illegal if you grow and have your 215. The only upside for medical patients is that they won't need a lawyer to get them out of jail anymore if they get busted and are abiding by 19 restrictions. If they are abiding by their 215 restrictions, then they will have to go through the same process they would have had to go through regardless of 19. That's why most 215 holders don't see any incentive to vote for 19, it really doesn't affect them at all. Don't get me wrong I'm pro 19, but that's mostly because I was using my 215 to grow in small areas, and I rarely ever used more than 25 sqft of space.

desert dude said:

Yes, really, illegal. Call the DEA and see what they have to say about your business. You are free riding on the backs of tens of thousands of people arrested every year in California. Vote for prop 19 and make it legal in CA. I don't think it will hurt your business at all if 19 passes.

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desert dude to expand on your comment.
free ride - n. Slang
Something acquired without the ordinary effort or cost.

In my situation, I provide all of the effort and cost. Your argument has no merit, wrong again.

Just trimmed some OG Kush Banana

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oh, and the DEA could care less if Prop 19 passes. Prop 19 is a state issue and has nothing to do with the feds.
Swing and a miss.
Strike 2 desert dude.

Just trimmed some OG Kush Banana

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I got five on it!

je$ter said:

oh, and the DEA could care less if Prop 19 passes. Prop 19 is a state issue and has nothing to do with the feds.
Swing and a miss.
Strike 2 desert dude.

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You are correct in one respect, and incorrect on the larger issue.

19 is a state issue, but it has a lot to do with the feds. Without local cops to do the head busting, the feds are defanged. Oh, I am sure they will make a big show of force for a while if 19 passes, but it is unsustainable for them. The even bigger issue for the feds is that a California wide revolt against their drug war will ripple through the rest of the country. It will put the spot light on the useless and damaging nature of Cannabis prohibition. Ultimately, I think it will cause full legalization in the whole country, undoubtedly with a "tax, regulate, and control" nature. That is what the narco-prison complex is really afraid of. I am not expecting it to be a smooth ride to legalization, the entrenched powers have a lot to lose and a lot of power, but the American people are fed up with the mess the country is in and ready to force changes that are good for the country.

Fast forward to 2015-2016, what do things look like? California has legalized as well as 20 more states, and 40 states now have MMJ bills. The states that still have nothing are the southern bible thumping states still holding on to the past. Even though Prop.19 isn't perfect, it could bring about a chain re-action with a lot of states bringing in pro-marijuana measures. That is if the U.S. economy doesn't collapse totally first.

in 2015 im just getting parole for my possession of 5 grams of pot. Finally moving to a legal state...... i cant wait to see what happens after the polls close and i am not even close to califorina

desert dude said:

The feds will initially increase DEA enforcement in CA, but it will peter out as they don't thave the resources to enforce their vision on the states. Increased pressure on the feds will make them rethink MJ's schedule 1 listing, eventually dropping to schedule 2. Other states will see the light. The snowball grows... Full repeal of MJ prohibition...

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That's exactly how I see it also. The rest of the United States is watching us very closely. C'mon California, let's make some positive history for all the generations of tokers to come.

If this thing gets legalized tomorrow,



Im posting this thing everywhere!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO3cPyi5_oA

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101103/ap_on_el_st_lo/us_marijuana_legalization

sorry boys and girls.

The idiots have spoken! and they say, no to p19 and hello to Attorney General Cooley. Which in turn will be the end of MMJ. Oh the irony.