NietzscheKeen
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Hmmm........
When during the course of our evolution did we gain souls?
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Zaehet Strife
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No need to apologize, but clarification would be nice sometimes....just wanted to try out my idea, sorry man!
Beefbisquit
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When humans encounter an unknown, we have a tendency of making shit up to explain things. 'Fear of death' and 'Soul' seem linked. JMO, though. We really have no way of knowing... it is arguable though, based on what we know about the human psyche... 
Scared of dying?
BAM!
Souls. Problem solved.
I mean, people think it's bad today? Think about what it would have been like 5000A.D. No one really knew much of anything. People were clever, and they saw patterns in nature, and made up reasons why those patterns happened. Souls were only natural, the anthropomorphising of everything in nature, meant there had to be another realm, because clearly they couldn't 'see' the gods anywhere actually throwing lightning bolts, or actually making an earthquake, or actually making a flood. When you think about what people knew about the world back then, it's no wonder they came up with these stories to explain everything.
What's really interesting to me, is that knowing what we know today, why do people still believe it?
How is believing in Allah, or Jesus, or *insert any god here*, different than believing in Wotan or Zeus? Whether it's 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago, humanity still didn't know jack shit, and their writings and accounts of miracles and anthropomorphised natural disasters should be taken as such.
Scared of dying?
BAM!
Souls. Problem solved.
I mean, people think it's bad today? Think about what it would have been like 5000A.D. No one really knew much of anything. People were clever, and they saw patterns in nature, and made up reasons why those patterns happened. Souls were only natural, the anthropomorphising of everything in nature, meant there had to be another realm, because clearly they couldn't 'see' the gods anywhere actually throwing lightning bolts, or actually making an earthquake, or actually making a flood. When you think about what people knew about the world back then, it's no wonder they came up with these stories to explain everything.
What's really interesting to me, is that knowing what we know today, why do people still believe it?
How is believing in Allah, or Jesus, or *insert any god here*, different than believing in Wotan or Zeus? Whether it's 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago, humanity still didn't know jack shit, and their writings and accounts of miracles and anthropomorphised natural disasters should be taken as such.
eye exaggerate
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...I think that's what I just tried to do!
I exchanged the word 'soul' for 'life' in your post to see how that would look.
eye exaggerate
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^ like, spine?
eye exaggerate
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...anthropomorphizing natural disasters are humanity's best take on those forces, imo. How else could a human relate to them? Science does not show how to relate to them. Mathematically, yes - psychologically, no.When humans encounter an unknown, we have a tendency of making shit up to explain things. 'Fear of death' and 'Soul' seem linked. JMO, though. We really have no way of knowing... it is arguable though, based on what we know about the human psyche...
Scared of dying?
BAM!
Souls. Problem solved.
I mean, people think it's bad today? Think about what it would have been like 5000A.D. No one really knew much of anything. People were clever, and they saw patterns in nature, and made up reasons why those patterns happened. Souls were only natural, the anthropomorphising of everything in nature, meant there had to be another realm, because clearly they couldn't 'see' the gods anywhere actually throwing lightning bolts, or actually making an earthquake, or actually making a flood. When you think about what people knew about the world back then, it's no wonder they came up with these stories to explain everything.
What's really interesting to me, is that knowing what we know today, why do people still believe it?
How is believing in Allah, or Jesus, or *insert any god here*, different than believing in Wotan or Zeus? Whether it's 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago, humanity still didn't know jack shit, and their writings and accounts of miracles and anthropomorphised natural disasters should be taken as such.
Padawanbater2
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What do you mean "relate to them"?
Why should we "relate to them" [natural disasters]?
eye exaggerate
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...they tend to devastate people, eh?
Padawanbater2
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Of course, but I'm not sure what you mean by relate to them...they tend to devastate people, eh?
Beefbisquit
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Dude....
Attributing human characteristics to nonhuman things is a flaw when it comes to science; not something to be celebrated. It was humanities failed attempt to make sense of something it didn't understand.
With the information we have available today, relating to hurricanes, tornadoes, etc., to relate them to anything but weather patterns, is foolish.
I would say the appropriate psychological response would be fear, but there's no malevolence behind the disasters. It's not a storm personified; just a natural phenomenon. IMO, still worthy of fear, but there's no 'spirit' behind it.
So, I guess you're right in a sense; knowing what they knew then, what other conclusion could they have come to? My issue is with people still finding those beliefs valid....
eye exaggerate
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...the only frame of reference we have is a human perspective. There is no other way to 'see' them. You are having a human experience, aren't you? So are a bunch of other people. It is impossible that two people will have the same perspective on a concept. When something disastrous happens no one will have the same take on it. Science cannot dictate how people react in tense situations. Other parts of a human take over and sht happens. They tend to dig into places no one else is pressed into. * Please don't tell me that you don't understand. I'm not here to fill a quota
(correct me if I am wrong there)
eye exaggerate
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..."when it comes to science" - I totally agree.
eye exaggerate
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...hey bb, in non-scientific terms 'spirit' is fluidity
Zaehet Strife
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People don't need or want evidence when forming supernatural beliefs, because if they were true... you wouldn't be required to believe. It would be apparent to everyone, not just a select few who may suffer from slight mental disabilities.
Souls are an idea, that people made up... i think the coolest question would actually be who had the first idea about them, and what it must have felt like. Kinda like who came up with the first word for anything, other than a grunt, an audible sound coming from an animal used to describe something else, and i also wonder what the first word was trying to describe.
I bet the first sound meant; "Hello!" or maybe "Nice tits!"
Souls are an idea, that people made up... i think the coolest question would actually be who had the first idea about them, and what it must have felt like. Kinda like who came up with the first word for anything, other than a grunt, an audible sound coming from an animal used to describe something else, and i also wonder what the first word was trying to describe.
I bet the first sound meant; "Hello!" or maybe "Nice tits!"
Beefbisquit
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Hmmm.... I don't think the a 'spirit', which is apparently a real thing, is the same thing as a property of something. This is another one of those metaphors you're so good at! LOL...hey bb, in non-scientific terms 'spirit' is fluidity
The physical spirit could have the property of being fluidic, but I've yet to see that demonstrated (or that a physical spirit exists!) If you mean the spirit is fluidic in the metaphorical sense that liquid is very resilient and capable of being maneuvered, etc., etc., and so are our 'spirits', then I really have no response. lol
I would agree that we are resilient creatures that have overcome large adversities and struggles. If that makes us 'spiritual creatures' that have 'fluidity' then we can agree to disagree.......about agreeing. lol