Moebius
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Approximation ? Either something is true or its is false. This is Logic.
When do you get a soul??
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Approximation ? Either something is true or its is false. This is Logic.
eye exaggerate
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...I am approximately hosed, and it's 11:53 - fckn neighbors!
Where's the logic in that?! (just thought I'd inject a bit of humor here 
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It's not slavery; it's trickle-down citizenship. What; don't you love your country? cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Even so, we take great solace and courage from the consistency of these impressions. It carries us through our day. (It's one of the reasons why i insist less on someone arguing with me to use fact and truth, and place a larger emphasis on consistency and being consequent.) cn
cannabineer
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...I am approximately hosed, and it's 11:53 - fckn neighbors!
Be careful. Approximate hosing can lead to local irritation and lower GI complaints. Practice hosing crispness. cn
Zaehet Strife
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If it claimed it as truth, there would be no room for change, as everyone knows if it was the truth it would not change. Strings being the smallest piece of matter the human eye can see is the closest approximation to the truth as we know it, but there is always room for change as we delve deeper and deeper into the realm of quantum particles. We may come to find out someday that there are even smaller particles of matter within the strings that we did not know of before.
Science deals with what is real regardless of what anyone thinks is true or false. Gravity for example is real regardless of what you think is true or false, you can easily test this by holding your lap top above your head and letting go. It doesn't matter what you believe, what you think, or what you want or don't want to be true or false... gravity just IS.
The problem with religion/theology/spirituality/metaphysics is that these ideas can only ever be true or real if one "believes" Which does not make it true or real, no matter how hard anyone believes in anything supernatural it does not make it true or real. What makes something true or real is our ability to perceive these concepts with our sense perceptions. If we consider what is real anything other than what we can perceive with our senses... ANYTHING we imagine is real would be, which is not the case, but if you take a look around you this is exactly what billions of people do all the time.
Science= the closest we can get to knowing and understanding truth, the closer we get to it the further it moves away, the more we must work and experiment to discover the secrets of the universe. -Hard (a means to infinite beginnings)
Religion= the truth that we make up in our imaginations with no base in reality that we believe for the sole reason of believing it because we want to. -Easy (a means to an end)
With science we are like donkeys, continuously walking towards the apple of truth which is tied to the pole in front of it, the closer the donkey gets the further away it becomes.
With religion we are like donkeys, standing in one spot, too deep within our own imagination pretending that we have the apple... when in reality we never even tried to take the first step towards it.
eye exaggerate
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Be careful. Approximate hosing can lead to local irritation and lower GI complaints. Practice hosing crispness. cn
...as per many an RIU thread
eye exaggerate
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Shannon Alexander
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I will admit to being only 26 years old and never got a college degree so I may be a little naive on some things and a lot ignorant on many others, It is just that I myself lack the ability to understand how belief is a conscious choice. Could somebody with more experience on the topic of brain functions/psychiatry or whatever it is that would allow someone to choose to believe something please explain to me how belief is a choice..?
I fail to grasp how actual belief is ever a persons choice... If you know of any studies that have been carried out on the topic or credible sources that support the claim that belief is a choice could you please post links or PM me with the details as I am happy to be proven wrong and willing to be educated...
I fail to grasp how actual belief is ever a persons choice... If you know of any studies that have been carried out on the topic or credible sources that support the claim that belief is a choice could you please post links or PM me with the details as I am happy to be proven wrong and willing to be educated...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
...is evolution truth?
An excellent illustration of why i think there's value in differentiating between truth and fact. cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I hold the same belief. I came to the conclusion that faith, one's deep unshakable sense of how things are, is given and not made. My faith has changed its shape over the years, but as near as I can tell I witnessed that and didn't steer it. cn
eye exaggerate
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...I agree that belief is not a choice. Though it is a conscious choice, it might only be recognized when it reaches the surface. The choice had been made prior.
...holy crap, I've just gone over this post of mine and found a ton of spelling errors.
Zaehet Strife
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This reply is much shorter and to the point than my paragraph explanation. Thanks Cn.
Shannon Alexander
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...is evolution truth?
Evolution is a fact of life... I think people get hung up on the we come from apes thing because they see apes and then go "well if we came from monkeys how come there are still monkeys"... that is the most common retarded comment I have heard from religious people through all my years...
I love the fact that with the study of DNA they have found small percentages of several different branches of humanity that evolved before and along side our homo sapien ancestors still living on in part through modern humans, even some of the pieces of DNA don't belong to any known hominid on record...
I wish I could post up links to back up my claims, but I can't... I watch a lot of documentaries and read a lot of sciency stuff on the internet and research things when I feel like it, but I hardly ever save links or remember names of books or documentaries that I watch, mainly because I only do it to satisfy my own curiosity...
ThE sAtIvA hIgH
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the last thing im gonna say on this matter is , to ask the question , when do we get a soul? surely first you would have to demonstrate what a soul is and that it actually exists , otherwise its a pointless question .and a question that is allready assuming everyone agrees a soul exists , wich is incorrect .
Moebius
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To be honest I know plenty of dumbass people from any belief system who wouldnt give you the answer to that...... ignorance is ignorance in this case
I'm not sure what that means. Would need to read original text. I can say that all life so far found originated (as far as known) from a single cell. DNA code is shared amongst all life.
eye exaggerate
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...I was saying that evolution 'is truth'. I have no doubt about what I can see. Who came up with the idea in the first place? I guess that's where I'm at.
Moebius
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Shannon Alexander
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Some observant person that was curious about the workings of the natural world I imagine...
mindphuk
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It would be more accurate to say a single type of cell. Natural selection works on populations and we now know that many single cells can transfer and share genetic material without creating a new cell.