What type of LED light should I use?

Xephier said:

I guess we'll see when the grow is done. I'd rather go by results than sit around arguing about it.

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No one's arguing , I know what I'm talking about , I grow weed all the time. Your just guessing and going by what you read and decide to believe... no one gets rich growing weed, that boat took off in the 90s...especially not with 200 watts of led..don't take my help the wrong way dude..everyone already gave up on you. No one cares that you're setting yourself up to fail..everyone told you practically the same thing.. it just goes in one ear and out the other.. I think I'm calling it quits too.. good luck.

mr sunshine said:

No one's arguing , I know what I'm talking about , I grow weed all the time. Your just guessing and going by what you read and decide to believe... no one gets rich growing weed, that boat took off in the 90s...especially not with 200 watts of led..don't take my help the wrong way dude..everyone already gave up on you. No one cares that you're setting yourself up to fail..everyone told you practically the same thing.. it just goes in one ear and out the other.. I think I'm calling it quits too.. good luck.

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With "help" like that who needs it anyways. I mean your form of help is "you gotta spend 1000+$$ on LEDS for them to work. Otherwise use HPS(which will burn the plants out of your small grow space)" "expect nothing and give up well the gettin's good!" ya... I'll just go with what I've got and the worst case scenario I get a small crop, it beats giving up.

Xephier said:

With "help" like that who needs it anyways. I mean your form of help is "you gotta spend 1000+$$ on LEDS for them to work. Otherwise use HPS(which will burn the plants out of your small grow space)" "expect nothing and give up well the gettin's good!" ya... I'll just go with what I've got and the worst case scenario I get a small crop, it beats giving up.

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No I told you not to spend money I said use what you have.u should have invested in properly cooling the space instead of buying another one... I said get a grow under your belt before you worry about yield. I also said you can't grow a lb in that space. I told you cheap LEDS are worthless. churchhaze an led guy backed me up on that.. I told you u can't grow a lb with 200 watts of Chinese led.Did I ever lie to you or tell you to spend money?we usually rip idiots like you apart but for some reason I was very civilized. u need to thank me for being so truthfull!

mr sunshine said:

No I told you not to spend money I said use what you have.u should have invested in properly cooling the space instead of buying another one... I said get a grow under your belt before you worry about yield. I also said you can't grow a lb in that space. I told you cheap LEDS are worthless. churchhaze an led guy backed me up on that.. I told you u can't grow a lb with 200 watts of Chinese led.Did I ever lie to you or tell you to spend money?we usually rip idiots like you apart but for some reason I was very civilized. u need to thank me for being so truthful and stop being a little bitch.

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Thanks for your input. If you're right then you're right, shit happens. Live and learn. I am not looking for a fight. I've already bought the light and there's nothing I can do about that. Also it's 280 actual watts but supposed to act like over 400w. I can't vouch for that but I've read a handful of reviews from people that have used the light and apparently main issue is that some of the lights may burn out on it after several months but that likely won't affect this grow. Also I said that I plan to get a couple CFL's in there as well, 200w each or so. that's easily over 600w on those plants and full spectrum lighting as well. It may not beat a 1000w setup but it should be about as well as I can do without burning the plants alive.

The temps in there are already averaging 81-82 and we're not even into the thick of summer yet, the average heat is going to raise by 10 degrees give or take. Do you think that sucking air through a closed hood will bring down the heat in the room enough to not kill the plants? Using cooler lights to achieve a higher wattage and having the 435 CFM cool the room(rather than just the light) seems as though it would be the most cost efficient way to go in the end while still achieving around the same results.

Xephier said:

Ontario and with the fans, lights, .etc it should not be more than 50 a month at most. Keep in mind that you're running a 1000w light and mine is a fraction of that.

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yes, and let's not forget about Ontario and how your provincail laws are...and with many thanks to our Nazi loving Prime Minster, anything over 5 plants is considered cultivation.

Keep it under six plants until we can deep six Adolf Harper...vote for Justin

ISK said:

yes, and let's not forget about Ontario and how your provincail laws are...and with many thanks to our Nazi loving Prime Minster, anything over 5 plants is considered cultivation.

Keep it under six plants until we can deep six Adolf Harper...vote for Justin

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Lol.. Thanks for the advice but I gotta grow bigger. Once I get a decent bank roll I'm moving to BC where things should be a bit smoother.

If you want a good LED you can DIY or a couple companies right now make good LEDs like area51 and apachetech I would check those out. I personally have 2 area 51 lights and also have 3 600w hps and they both work great , the LEDs are great for running in spaces with less height so in my area I can grow larger plants with my LEDs than my HPS cause the hood for the hps is so tall.

Well since I missed all the drama about light choices , you can grow with ANY light system

HPS / MH systems are the " norm " , some hood systems can be had for a couple hundred bucks. One place to check for cheap prices , is craiglist , I grabbed an 600w Virtual Sun with ballast and bulbs for $90 bucks. They provide great penetration for the money , but can bring heat.

CFL will grow plants ( I constructed a " hood " system ) running 10 100w / 150w y-sockets with either all 5000k /6400k or as it is now with 2700k for mixed spectrum. Ceiling mounted with adjustable chain for height control. Lights can be "dimmed " by switching off sets of 2 as needed. Heat is nominal because of open room design. I only fan the plants to provide air flow and movement. I have upgraded some of the bulbs to maxlite 11273 with 5500 lumens each . This is by far the EASIEST light system to get new growers going.
This is my main AUTOFLOWER grow light choice.




LEDS ( for me ) are run as Flowering Stage , although it can grow vegging plants. I run dual Mars Hydro 900s ( mid level price ) in tents. They are on 12/12 only to prolong life.
There is some heat to deal with from internal heat sinks. But overall they work great with my photoperiod strains. Most ( I should say just about all ) LED manufacturers " govern down " the LED efficiency by near half. This ensures that the led emitters ( diodes ) will last longer. They are by design power reduced. This is why DIY LED/ COB builders are whipping up monster light panels. This will be the NEW ERA of light systems. If you are looking for EXTREME LIGHTING , look up Cree builds with 3070/3590 components.


Running all of these systems cost me $90 bucks a month in power, big whoop.

T5/T8 fixtures ( long bulb Flouros ) are another option for the grower , but the bottom line is providing the most usable light for your plants. Nothing beats the sun.
Base your light choices on YOUR grow space not what others do.

mr sunshine said:

No I told you not to spend money I said use what you have.u should have invested in properly cooling the space instead of buying another one... I said get a grow under your belt before you worry about yield. I also said you can't grow a lb in that space. I told you cheap LEDS are worthless. churchhaze an led guy backed me up on that.. I told you u can't grow a lb with 200 watts of Chinese led.Did I ever lie to you or tell you to spend money?we usually rip idiots like you apart but for some reason I was very civilized. u need to thank me for being so truthfull!

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For what it's worth I've taken some time to think about it and ask a trusted friend with some experience and I think that I am going to pick up some nutes. I need to be open minded with this even if it is going to cost me more but my friend did tell me that with nutes he got about 3-6X the yield as without them; so that sounds as it may pay for itself.

Xephier said:

For what it's worth I've taken some time to think about it and ask a trusted friend with some experience and I think that I am going to pick up some nutes. I need to be open minded with this even if it is going to cost me more but my friend did tell me that with nutes he got about 3-6X the yield as without them; so that sounds as it may pay for itself.

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you're killing me smalls!

Xephier said:

but my friend did tell me that with nutes he got about 3-6X the yield as without them; so that sounds as it may pay for itself.

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There are many factors that influence yield before nutrients. I'm willing to believe experienced cash-croppers could make enough from expensive nutrients to be worthwhile. But, for your initial grow, you're just wasting money.

I switched from GH Flora 3-part which cost about $10 per plant, per grow to Grow More Sea Grow which costs $1 per plant, per grow. I notice no difference in yield.

Get that or some Jack's Classic for $20. You have *a lot* more to do before expensive nutes will make a difference, especially if you use a Chinese epi-whatever LED. It takes time to work out your system, style, invest in quality lights, etc. If you weren't betting your financial future on this, I wouldn't care if you fell for the secret-sauce Monkey Snot nutrients.

az2000 said:

There are many factors that influence yield before nutrients. I'm willing to believe experienced cash-croppers could make enough from expensive nutrients to be worthwhile. But, for your initial grow, you're just wasting money.

I switched from GH Flora 3-part which cost about $10 per plant, per grow to Grow More Sea Grow which costs $1 per plant, per grow. I notice no difference in yield.

Get that or some Jack's Classic for $20. You have *a lot* more to do before expensive nutes will make a difference, especially if you use a Chinese epi-whatever LED. It takes time to work out your system, style, invest in quality lights, etc. If you weren't betting your financial future on this, I wouldn't care if you fell for the secret-sauce Monkey Snot nutrients.

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I've known my friend for near 20 years now. He's not one to sell me on a placebo. He tells me that on his first grow he got about an 8th to a quarter per plant. His next grow using the nutrients that he's suggested and using the same light as the first grow he got about 2-4 oz per plant. IMO that speaks for itself. As well it was only a 400w light on the first and second grow.

Frankly one thing that I have noticed since getting into this is that you experienced growers can't seem to agree on much. A handful of people have talked down the mars hydro LEDs because they're cheap and made in china but most the people I've talked to that have actually used them give them good praise for the most part as being a good low budget LED. Mr sunshine there said I'd have to use nutes and that's a conclusion that I would eventually come to; my friend tells me that I should definitely use them and now you're telling me not to use them. Sheesh and people wonder why I second guess everything that I'm told, it's cuz I ask 5 people and get 5 different answers.

On a side note I am sorry if I come off like an asshole at all, I am going through a lot of stress(not to mention depression) and I've got a lot riding on this.
Thank you for all advice given and I will take it into consideration.

Xephier said:

IMO that speaks for itself.

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All it speaks to is improving his skill from his 1st and 2nd grow. While growers here will debate whether yield difference justifies the expense of Advanced Nutrients or other high-priced products, nobody claims a 16x gain as you're reading into your friend's story.

While I sympathize with what you're up against, I believe those pressures are causing you to reject solid advice. You have to have the results you expect. Any contrary information is false.

Good luck.

az2000 said:

All it speaks to is improving his skill from his 1st and 2nd grow. While growers here will debate whether yield difference justifies the expense of Advanced Nutrients or other high-priced products, nobody claims a 16x gain as you're reading into your friend's story.

While I sympathize with what you're up against, I believe those pressures are causing you to reject solid advice. You have to have the results you expect. Any contrary information is false.

Good luck.

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Idk, frankly I've already spent over 1000$ getting this going, what's an extra 150 on nutes. Maybe I'll have the opposite experience as my friend, shitty grow the first one and great grow with no nutes on the second. By the time my first grow is cropped I should have my tax refund in and use that to coast a short while longer. Ideally I'd like to have a prime first grow but if it doesn't work out then I'll make it work on the second grow but if there's any chance that my friend is right and nutes will get me oz's more then I'll give it a go, if it's a placebo then it won't have made a diff either way besides showing me definitively not to bother with them again. But honestly I'm bound to take a personal pursuit to find out the truth about nutes eventually so I might as well get it out of the way. Truth is ya don't learn to walk without taking a few falls.

Also LOOK, something completely irrelevant https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/01/13/9a/01139a47e479616f5a3cfdb2a48c9050.jpg

Xephier said:

Idk, frankly I've already spent over 1000$ getting this going, what's an extra 150 on nutes. Maybe I'll have the opposite experience as my friend, shitty grow the first one and great grow with no nutes on the second. By the time my first grow is cropped I should have my tax refund in and use that to coast a short while longer. Ideally I'd like to have a prime first grow but if it doesn't work out then I'll make it work on the second grow but if there's any chance that my friend is right and nutes will get me oz's more then I'll give it a go, if it's a placebo then it won't have made a diff either way besides showing me definitively not to bother with them again. But honestly I'm bound to take a personal pursuit to find out the truth about nutes eventually so I might as well get it out of the way. Truth is ya don't learn to walk without taking a few falls.

Also LOOK, something completely irrelevant https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/01/13/9a/01139a47e479616f5a3cfdb2a48c9050.jpg

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I used baseball as an example my bad .at the time I didn't realize you were Canadian. .let's use hockey. .I suck at hockey, never played it before. Is it smart for me to think if i invest a 1000 dollars in kickass hocky gear ill probably be pretty good ..or to think, my friend scored 4 goals wearing certain skates if I buy them I'll score 4 goals..see how stupid that sounds? tthat's why we are like wtf are you talking about dude.. AZ told you to buy inexpensive nutrients he never said don't use any..he's pretty much telling u , it doesn't matter if u use top of the line nutes or a bad ass light the fact that you have no experience is the most determining factor that will dictate your yield...I would applaud you if you harvested anything. That would mean you were able to keep them alive..which is a feat in itself. Sorry to tell you your not getting big weight and becoming a king pin.. you need to find a job and still grow that way you can have a little extra cash..my buddy with 1600 watts of led is expecting about a lb most people using 1000 watts get about a lb I'm hoping to get a lb and a half this run.

I was about to smoke a blunt then your 1000 dollar expense popped into my head..u spent a grand but don't have nutrients. a ventilation system , cloning supplies or a tent.. wtf did you buy?

i do not generally chime into these threads usually
depending where you live in Ontario expect your bill to be in hundreds
more if youre in southern ontario,
than because all of a sudden youre using an extensive amount of energy someones most likely going to notice.
if you just moved in there, you could probably get away with it , however its turning into summer soon and its light out more often

not trying to be rude, so dont take it that way but money management doesnt seem like something youre skillful at,
maxing out a credit card is never a good idea when you do not have a stable income or employment, i suggest you find a budgeting spreadsheet or make one yourself before you decide to blow your money or credit card.
it would seem youre growing weed for illegal purposes and people get caught pretty easily in ontario.
especially if
1. they rent
and
2. they have someone who knows , meaning your roommate.

no matter how close you think your friendship is with him or her , people in general will always save the skin off their back

note the members are generally posting their thoughts on your idea due to concern not being dicks,

mr sunshine said:

My buddy's mars 1600 gets hot with both bloom and flower on.. it's not that much cooler then a properly set up air cooled hood..iit draws 720 watts at 6 amps that things not that efficient. ..fuck mars!

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No wonder you think so highly of LED.. You're talking about Mars and CLW.. Doesn't get much older tech than that..

I spend 30$ a month with my 96*3 when I was running it at ..... 24/7 on my plants...4 hydro bubblers...not even 100$ extra on the electricity...

JBONESG said:

I spend 30$ a month with my 96*3 when I was running it at ..... 24/7 on my plants...4 hydro bubblers...not even 100$ extra on the electricity...

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you canadian?

ontario our energy bills are high as fuck man