What to use instead of perlite?

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Thats the best part...you dont have to chose just one. You just have to figure out what works best for you and your situation. Every grow is different and every grower is different. Its a beautiful thing.
Perlite is pretty much industry standard, if you cant make this stuff work in a coco or soil mix you need to learn how to grow not cite that each situation and grower is different and what works for one dosent always work for another.
 

Bareback

Well-Known Member
Styrofoam is supposed to be safe to grow vegetables in, so I imagine they'd be safe to grow weed in... however since OP's problem is that it accumulates at the top, this wouldn't be a very good solution. Also if you're using lights that get hot I would be even more wary of using styrofoam.

I've been researching into alternatives as well, rice hulls, sand, pebbles all mentioned seem like valid options. Also have heard of using soil made from bark fines, which is more aerated than regular potting soil. I'm actually really curious about the kitty litter thing, though I can't find a lot about it. Since it's clay does it not just retain water?
Pine bark is acidic and kitty litter holds a lot of water so does vermiculite.

I use kitty litter 4 cups to a wheel barrow full.

If your floating the perlite your watering to aggressively.
 

Chunky Stool

Well-Known Member
Perlite is pretty much industry standard, if you cant make this stuff work in a coco or soil mix you need to learn how to grow not cite that each situation and grower is different and what works for one dosent always work for another.
Wow.
I have used mixes containing ZERO perlite & they worked fine.
 

pookat

Well-Known Member
its also magnetic... make a feeble ossilator in a plastic peat filled rubble bag with a coil wrapped round it. nice little L.R.C drifts too much for serious use. good fun
 

Bareback

Well-Known Member
Calcined clay holds some water, but not a lot because it doesn't expand. It's like ground up clay bricks. Heavier than perlite but lighter than coarse sand or gravel.
I read in a thread on here to use special kitty brand clay litter, and I knew my local store carries it so I picked up a bag and mixed in a little for a test. I didn't have my glasses on so I didn't read anything but the large print lol. But now I'm curious, and will check it out better. Also I read it contains sulfur and that was my main reason for using it. Thanks for pointing that out.
 

mockasin

Member
it's the usuals, pumice, vermiculite, biochar, sand, glass, perlite, volcanic rock, calcined clay, etc.
you do NOT want anything based with bark fines, absolutely not, will sequester nitrogen, and drive your ph down as well.
depending on what is in your soil mix is what should dictate what aeration you use, more organic mixes (organic content, not nutrients, the CEC) will benefit from more air displacing aeration, meaning perlite, sand and the like, in mixes that have lower CEC (coco for example) you want more water retaining qualities, from like vermiculite, and to a degree pumice.
there is no perfect aeration for everyone, it's all predicated on what you got going on, your nutrients preferences, ambient humidity, lights, ventilation, believe it or not they all work together
What about people who live in areas with alkaline soil? I'm a complete beginner and have never used any soils with bark fines, but I wonder if they could be beneficial as they decompose, provided you add nitrogen.
(I plan on going the small pebbles route soon though, it's completely free and easy to find here :) )
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
What about people who live in areas with alkaline soil? I'm a complete beginner and have never used any soils with bark fines, but I wonder if they could be beneficial as they decompose, provided you add nitrogen.
(I plan on going the small pebbles route soon though, it's completely free and easy to find here :) )
well, typically most soils are far from alkaline
i have never grown in an alkaline soil, almost everything organic is acidic in nature, and typically chelated nutrients are acidic as well, relying on all sorts of acids to keep the ph in check.
if you are using bagged soil (containing aforementioned bark fines) it won't be alkaline anyways
now if you are using native soil to your area (commendable, but challenging, you'll need soil analysis tests to inform you on what you need to change)
but using native alkaline soil and relying on bark fines to buffer the ph would be pretty difficult in my mind
--also using small pebbles as your aeration may not be a good idea in the winter months, you want more aeration, as the soil temps typically are less, so the soil holds more water
that's why I said earlier that other things play into the decision here.
for the record I have TONS of aeration in my mix, rotted tree log chunks, perlite, pumice, vermiculite, volcanic rock, I even like to use small strips of coco-wool as well.
aeration is key, as cannabis does better in "humid" mixes rather than damp ones.
 

Chunky Stool

Well-Known Member
I read in a thread on here to use special kitty brand clay litter, and I knew my local store carries it so I picked up a bag and mixed in a little for a test. I didn't have my glasses on so I didn't read anything but the large print lol. But now I'm curious, and will check it out better. Also I read it contains sulfur and that was my main reason for using it. Thanks for pointing that out.
Yep.
I stopped by the grow store & wal-mart today.
WP_20161130_003.jpg
 

Amauulu2

Member
pumice , rice hulls , and biochar, much better quality than perlite , the ones i listed actually have stuff that helps the plant grow, not to mention they don't float to the top or cause respiratory issues when you breath in the dust.
Hooray for Volcanic Pumice, Rice Hulls and Biochar.

This is my first attempt at growing cannabis, so I looked for a KISS approach.

I am using LC #2 Soilless mix recipe, using Sunshine Mix #4 (the purple bag that is 2.2 cubic ft)). I found this recipe on another forum giving advice on organics for beginners.

6 Parts Sunshine Mix #4
2 Parts Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
2 Parts Perlite (for aeration)
Powdered Dolomitic Lime for yard and garden (which I found at a store called tractor supply. (The Powdered Dolomitic Lime is measured at 2 Tablespoons per gallon of the mix or 1 Cup per cubic foot of the mix).

For this soilless recipe, I took the author's advice and used a 3 Quart Saucepan to measure a Part. Using the 3 Qt saucepan to put together the recipe parts results in a cubic foot of this mix.

I read many complaints about the messiness and buoyancy of Perlite so I searched for other aeration materials to substitute for the 2 parts Perlite called for in the LC #2 original recipe.

For the "2 Parts Perlite" called for in the above recipe, I substituted
1 Part Volcanic Pumice (off-white and fine-grained),
1/2 Part Biochar (the product I bought resembles large grind coffee grains), and
1/2 Part Rice Hulls (which are organic, parboiled, and practically dust free).

I started from seeds which I presoaked in a dilute solution of liquid fulvic acid and fresh Aloe Vera gel (from the plant in my garden) in distilled water. Once the seeds sank to the bottom of the shot glass (I read that you do not have to actually "pop" or "crack" the seeds and see a taproot emerging) I soaked my Root Riot plugs in the same presoaking fulvic acid + aloe vera gel solution to which I added wettable mycorrhizae powder (Mykos). I gently squeezed the Root Riot plugs so they were moist, but not soaking wet, and then carefully placed each seed into its own Root Riot plug.

Because I am growing auto flowering strains (Auto Northern Lights and Auto White Widow), I want to avoid disturbing the roots of my seedlings as much as possible. Much of what I've read on the seed breeder's websites advise minimal and/or no handling of auto flowering plant roots), so the Root Riot plugs containing the seeds will be placed directly into the plant's final big grow pot, taking extra care to monitor the moisture (mostly misting in the beginning) available to the plants.

Once the sprouts have matured into seedlings after 14 or more days, I will feed them using Earth Worm Castings tea and bottled liquid fish and seaweed nutrients.

I am a big fan of "___X____ For Dummies" instructions and was happy to find the above information because all the ingredients could be purchased at my local big box store ("home despot") and my friendly local hydroponics store.

CRITICISMS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME.
 
Last edited:

Bareback

Well-Known Member
Hooray for Volcanic Pumice, Rice Hulls and Biochar.

This is my first attempt at growing cannabis, so I looked for a KISS approach.

I am using LC #2 Soilless mix recipe, using Sunshine Mix #4 (the purple bag that is 2.2 cubic ft)). I found this recipe on another forum giving advice on organics for beginners.

6 Parts Sunshine Mix #4
2 Parts Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
2 Parts Perlite (for aeration)
Powdered Dolomitic Lime for yard and garden (which I found at a store called tractor supply. (The Powdered Dolomitic Lime is measured at 2 Tablespoons per gallon of the mix or 1 Cup per cubic foot of the mix).

For this soilless recipe, I took the author's advice and used a 3 Quart Saucepan to measure a Part. Using the 3 Qt saucepan to put together the recipe parts results in a cubic foot of this mix.

I read many complaints about the messiness and buoyancy of Perlite so I searched for other aeration materials to substitute for the 2 parts Perlite called for in the LC #2 original recipe.

For the "2 Parts Perlite" called for in the above recipe, I substituted
1 Part Volcanic Pumice (off-white and fine-grained),
1/2 Part Biochar (the product I bought resembles large grind coffee grains), and
1/2 Part Rice Hulls (which are organic, parboiled, and practically dust free).

I started from seeds which I presoaked in a dilute solution of liquid fulvic acid and fresh Aloe Vera gel (from the plant in my garden) in distilled water. Once the seeds sank to the bottom of the shot glass (I read that you do not have to actually "pop" or "crack" the seeds and see a taproot emerging) I soaked my Root Riot plugs in the same presoaking fulvic acid + aloe vera gel solution to which I added wettable mycorrhizae powder (Mykos). I gently squeezed the Root Riot plugs so they were moist, but not soaking wet, and then carefully placed each seed into its own Root Riot plug.

Because I am growing auto flowering strains (Auto Northern Lights and Auto White Widow), I want to avoid disturbing the roots of my seedlings as much as possible. Much of what I've read on the seed breeder's websites advise minimal and/or no handling of auto flowering plant roots), so the Root Riot plugs containing the seeds will be placed directly into the plant's final big grow pot, taking extra care to monitor the moisture (mostly misting in the beginning) available to the plants.

Once the sprouts have matured into seedlings after 14 or more days, I will feed them using Earth Worm Castings tea and bottled liquid fish and seaweed nutrients.

I am a big fan of "___X____ For Dummies" instructions and was happy to find the above information because all the ingredients could be purchased at my local big box store ("home despot") and my friendly local hydroponics store.

CRITICISMS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME.
Your process seems well thought out.

I like my perlite, although I don't know much about a soil less mix technique.

Are you using a humidity dome , I like to put perlite under the cube trays with a little of that watering solution you made ( I also like kelp extract in my solution ) .

Your approach sounds good .

Good luck
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
Kitty litter is basically bentonite. A clay. You would not dig up clay to use so . . ..

Pumice and vermiculite both hold water and this is not always desirable. Perlite does not and provides better aeration.

As an aside I advise not using lava due to some/most having a high mercury content.

Both lava and pumice out of the bag have a lot of dust and should be thoroughly rinsed before use.
 

Chunky Stool

Well-Known Member
Kitty litter is basically bentonite. A clay. You would not dig up clay to use so . . ..

Pumice and vermiculite both hold water and this is not always desirable. Perlite does not and provides better aeration.

As an aside I advise not using lava due to some/most having a high mercury content.

Both lava and pumice out of the bag have a lot of dust and should be thoroughly rinsed before use.
Clumping kitty litter is bentonite.
DO NOT use clumping kitty litter.

If you use special kitty from wal-mart, be sure to screen out the fines. All you want is the larger particles.
I use the fines to make a custom fertilizer blend that's perfect for top-dressing outdoor plants. They hold moisture and have a high CEC to keep nutrients from washing away.

(Calcined clay does NOT dissolve and has the consistency of ground up bricks.)
 

Amauulu2

Member
Kitty litter is basically bentonite. A clay. You would not dig up clay to use so . . ..

Pumice and vermiculite both hold water and this is not always desirable. Perlite does not and provides better aeration.

As an aside I advise not using lava due to some/most having a high mercury content.

Both lava and pumice out of the bag have a lot of dust and should be thoroughly rinsed before use.[/QUOTE

HOTRODHARLEY: Re Mercury content of Lava.
Thanks for informing me about the mercury content of lava products. I grew up on the Big Island of Hawaii and we grew our orchids on tree fern trunk material mixed with lots of red lava cinders which we got on private land outside of the Volcano National Park. Many papaya farmers and other vegetable producers use lava cinders in their grows. I know many MJ growers use lava cinders as aeration materials (primarily because the lava cinders are so plentiful and cost nothing). I will have to look into the mercury content of lava in Hawaii. Or perhaps it is the same worldwide?

Re Dust in packaged volcanic pumice, I purchased the EB Stone brand of volcanic pumice which did not have any dust. Perhaps the EB Stone brand was prewashed before being packaged for sale. The lava rock available at Home Depot is extremely dusty and does require thorough rinsing. I do not use this lava rock in my soilless mix because the lava rocks are too large and coarse, and as I picked through the rocks, I noticed there were other kinds of rocks included (hard granite and hard shale pieces).
 

Amauulu2

Member
Your process seems well thought out.

I like my perlite, although I don't know much about a soil less mix technique.

Are you using a humidity dome , I like to put perlite under the cube trays with a little of that watering solution you made ( I also like kelp extract in my solution ) .

Your approach sounds good .

Good luck
BAREBACK: Re Humidity Dome
Yes, I used a humidity dome which has a tray within it to hold the germination cell tray above the well which holds water/solution. Out of nine seeds, only one seed did not emerge. The rest showed themselves above the surface of their plugs within 4 days of having been soaked and placed into their Root Riot plugs.
 
Top