What political issues are you unwilling to compromise on?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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abandonconflict said:
I don't currently support any candidates. besides, politics shouldn't be about political figures, it should be about ideas. That goes to the heart of the problem. You have been a sanctimonious ass because people criticize your savior Bernard. You respond with personal attacks, even going so far as to attack me on the basis of being a combat veteran. You have little grasp of actual ideas and when backed into a corner you resort to repeating this crap over and over. You have no actual defense of your hero Bernard and you've nothing to say for actual political ideas and ideals. To you, it's clearly all about a cult of personality and it has gotten so far that you offer little rebuke of Trump, because it was your little faction that put him into office by fracturing the opposition. You should get a job.
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I commend your post for your recognition that ideas are superior to political figures. That part makes a lot of sense.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
I don't currently support any candidates. besides, politics shouldn't be about political figures, it should be about ideas. That goes to the heart of the problem.
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Interesting.. What you're saying is that there are no political figures in Washington who represent your ideals

Gee, that sounds very similar to the exact same thing we've been saying the entire time, yet you've decided to aim criticism at the ones who support policy substance over empty rhetoric and platitudes based on your relationship with them, your feelings about them

The same reason you criticize Sanders is exactly why he's been surging in popularity since the election, because of the policies and ideas he supports

Your analysis is extremely flawed. Stick to scuba
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Padawanbater2 said:
Interesting.. What you're saying is that there are no political figures in Washington who represent your ideals

Gee, that sounds very similar to the exact same thing we've been saying the entire time, yet you've decided to aim criticism at the ones who support policy substance over empty rhetoric and platitudes based on your relationship with them, your feelings about them

The same reason you criticize Sanders is exactly why he's been surging in popularity since the election, because of the policies and ideas he supports

Your analysis is extremely flawed. Stick to scuba
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That wasn't at all what he said. Nice try.
 
travisw

travisw

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Padawanbater2 said:
The same reason you criticize Sanders is exactly why he's been surging in popularity since the election, because of the policies and ideas he supports

Your analysis is extremely flawed. Stick to scuba
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Surging? You've cited the Harvard Harris poll numbers for Bernie for over a year. His numbers peaked on that poll in April of 2017 at 57%. https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/harris-harvard-27501

According to your favorite poll numbers, now:

Poll: Biden holds double-digit lead over field of 2020 Dem presidential contenders

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/369555-poll-biden-holds-double-digit-lead-over-field-of-2020-dem-presidential

That's not what surging means.

Your analysis is wrong. Stick to duct tape.

 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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travisw said:
Surging? You've cited the Harvard Harris poll numbers for Bernie for over a year. His numbers peaked on that poll in April of 2017 at 57%. https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/harris-harvard-27501

According to your favorite poll numbers, now:

Poll: Biden holds double-digit lead over field of 2020 Dem presidential contenders

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/369555-poll-biden-holds-double-digit-lead-over-field-of-2020-dem-presidential

That's not what surging means.

Your analysis is wrong. Stick to duct tape.

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he's surging downwards
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
-if you support the war on drugs, I won't support you - not unreasonable, the war on drugs is unreasonable
-if you disagree with the idea that every American has a right to basic healthcare, regardless of their ability to pay for it, I won't support you - not unreasonable, 45,000 Americans died every year before the Affordable Healthcare Act was implemented because they couldn't afford basic preventative treatment
-if you support the for profit private prison industry, I won't support you - not unreasonable, prisons should not be making a profit off of incarceration capacity rates
-if you support offensive wars, I won't support you - not unreasonable, trillions of dollars, tens/hundreds of thousands of lives wasted
-if you disagree that an American who works 40 hours a week and still can't provide for their family without the use of government assistance is reprehensible, I won't support you - not unreasonable, full time work should be able to provide for a living wage, regardless of the job
-if you accept corporate or PAC "donations", I won't support you - not unreasonable, politicians who accept money from special interests do the bidding of those same special interests at the expense of the American people

Tell me what part of this is unreasonable
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I agree with this.

Time to stop giving a free pass to half assed politicians who shill for cash and won't represent the needs and interests of their constituents.
 
Huckster79

Huckster79

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To original question:

It depends on what is meant by compromise...

If its giving up gains, hurting people by rolling back from where we currently stand, well pretty much nothing could i compromise on.

If its not getting all i want, but its a gain, a step forward, etc... well then pretty much everything i can compromise on...
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Huckster79 said:
To original question: It depends on what is meant by compromise...
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What I mean is will you cast your vote for someone who compromises on an issue you view as something that is uncompromisable (TM)? In 1963, would you cast your vote for someone who doesn't support civil rights? Today, why would you cast your vote for someone who doesn't support universal healthcare?
Huckster79 said:
If its giving up gains, hurting people by rolling back from where we currently stand, well pretty much nothing could i compromise on.
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You're in luck, it's not
Huckster79 said:
If its not getting all i want, but its a gain, a step forward, etc... well then pretty much everything i can compromise on...
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That's weird, how far does this extend?

Nazi's aren't gassing all the Jews, they're just working them to death..


It's "a gain", but I'm not getting all I want.. It's a "step forward"...

A bit of hyperbole added, but could you fill me in on this line of thinking so I can better understand how Americans should just accept the best of the worst when it comes to electing politicians who legislate and create laws that affect billions of people's lives across the world?
 
Huckster79

Huckster79

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In terms of how I would apply that to make a vote choice is this...

I would examine the line up of candidates and choose the one whom if I’m lucky enough lines us pretty perfectly to my progressive thinking: universal healthcare, legal weed, pro choice, pro Canadian or Australian style gun control, etc...

If I don’t have that option I look for the next closest down the line.... in my area often not a dem on the ticket for many local races. I don’t want to not vote... so I hunt for the most progressive of the gop... I hate voting for any of em but I’m not going possibly help a total trumper republicunt win.

I would certainly agree there is a line in the sand somewhere... but I need to ponder that one a bit... but certainly good pondering material there to dive into...
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Shit thread, 0 stars, dumber for reading it in the first place.

Unwillingness to compromise is exactly the reason we're in the shit heap now.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
What I mean is will you cast your vote for someone who compromises on an issue you view as something that is uncompromisable (TM)? In 1963, would you cast your vote for someone who doesn't support civil rights? Today, why would you cast your vote for someone who doesn't support universal healthcare?

You're in luck, it's not

That's weird, how far does this extend?

Nazi's aren't gassing all the Jews, they're just working them to death..


It's "a gain", but I'm not getting all I want.. It's a "step forward"...

A bit of hyperbole added, but could you fill me in on this line of thinking so I can better understand how Americans should just accept the best of the worst when it comes to electing politicians who legislate and create laws that affect billions of people's lives across the world?
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says the person who gratuitously insulted another simply because he is a gay man.

says the person who says he is expected by his black, Hispanic and female coworkers that he work harder than them because he is a white man.

Dude, you are a fucking hypocrite. Shut the fuck up.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Interesting.. What you're saying is that there are no political figures in Washington who represent your ideals

Gee, that sounds very similar to the exact same thing we've been saying the entire time, yet you've decided to aim criticism at the ones who support policy substance over empty rhetoric and platitudes based on your relationship with them, your feelings about them

The same reason you criticize Sanders is exactly why he's been surging in popularity since the election, because of the policies and ideas he supports

Your analysis is extremely flawed. Stick to scuba
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Bernie can't do shit.

solar water heaters, not universal healthcare, remember?
 
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