What is your faith, path or belief?

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I am a christian. I believe jesus died on the cross and I believe God created the Universe. I base my believes of off science and logic, not something a pastor or my parents told me. I love everyone on this forum regardless of what you believe. Ask yourselves though, if you were on a plane that was about to crash and catch on fire and the flight attendant showed you the one and only emergency exit, then would you call her intolerant? Would you say she is just a bigot? Hopefully you would not because you realize that she just doesn't want you to burn to death in the plane. She just wants to show you the way out.

I don't think weed is bad either as long as you don't make it an idol, which I do sometimes. I am no hypocrite.

Higher Education said:

I am a christian. I believe jesus died on the cross and I believe God created the Universe. I base my believes of off science and logic, not something a pastor or my parents told me. I love everyone on this forum regardless of what you believe. Ask yourselves though, if you were on a plane that was about to crash and catch on fire and the flight attendant showed you the one and only emergency exit, then would you call her intolerant? Would you say she is just a bigot? Hopefully you would not because you realize that she just doesn't want you to burn to death in the plane. She just wants to show you the way out.

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Jesus based on Science and logic, okay, that's a new one. Very funny indeed.

But what if the attendant who is BLINDED by the SMOKE (misinformation) and instead of pointing you to the exit (which is NOT APPARENT), she instead insists that you go into the smoke and once you are blinded, you will find the exit. Of course every other scrap of evidence says she is wrong, but she INSISTS it's true. Do you listen to her? Or do you simply walk in the other direction with calmness and figure your own way out since the attendant cannot produce the exit door.



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Since we are being logical.....

Number one, science and logic seem to think there is no 'God', and number two there is not one shred of archeological evidence for ANYTHING in the Bible.


Despite the fact you don't believe cuz some pastor told you to, Higher, you still are taking the Bible the way it is told to interperete it. Where does Jesus EVER say that you have to do those things? I am studying the words of Yeshua in as close to the original language as possible, I have studied what He said, and it ain't at all what you think. Yeshua tried to free us from that kind of limited thinking, and instead they corrupted and twisted His message to serve the very powers He gave His life tryin to free us from.

I bet there is shit in that Bible that you didn't even know of. For example, did you know it is a greater offense to eat shellfish than it is to endulge in fudgepacking, according to the Old Testament? And that it is ok to own slaves, and sell your daughters into slavery? And that if you cut your bangs (for guys) you are damned and cursed?

Iznot my fault the egg died..... I was framed, FRAMED I tell you!!!!!


(Damn, they're onto me!)

CrackerJax said:

Jesus based on Science and logic, okay, that's a new one. Very funny indeed.

But what if the attendant who is BLINDED by the SMOKE (misinformation) and instead of pointing you to the exit (which is NOT APPARENT), she instead insists that you go into the smoke and once you are blinded, you will find the exit. Of course every other scrap of evidence says she is wrong, but she INSISTS it's true. Do you listen to her? Or do you simply walk in the other direction with calmness and figure your own way out since the attendant cannot produce the exit door.



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Since we are being logical.....

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You are ignoring the paremeters of this analogy. A flight attendant could not be misinformed about the location of an exit. She has been trained at a date prior to the accident. What she knows is the objective truth, not subjective. Same as a truely intellectual person who examines every possibilty and declares one more logical than the other. That being Christianity. I find it funny that the secular society believes Christians are the ignorant ones, yet they spend more time arguing with them than people from any other world view system.

Tell it to the D.I.A.P.E.R. patrol, they are flying in your IP direction.

yes they are on to you..... heee



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Higher Education said:

You are ignoring the paremeters of this analogy. A flight attendant could not be misinformed about the location of an exit. She has been trained at a date prior to the accident. What she knows is the objective truth, not subjective. Same as a truely intellectual person who examines every possibilty and declares one more logical than the other. That being Christianity. I find it funny that the secular society believes Christians are the ignorant ones, yet they spend more time arguing with them than people from any other world view system.

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How embarrassing for you....good luck with your logical life. An unexamined logical life based on hear say in anonymous authors.

I think those parameters are spot on.


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puffdamagikdragon said:

Number one, science and logic seem to think there is no 'God', and number two there is not one shred of archeological evidence for ANYTHING in the Bible.


Despite the fact you don't believe cuz some pastor told you to, Higher, you still are taking the Bible the way it is told to interperete it. Where does Jesus EVER say that you have to do those things? I am studying the words of Yeshua in as close to the original language as possible, I have studied what He said, and it ain't at all what you think. Yeshua tried to free us from that kind of limited thinking, and instead they corrupted and twisted His message to serve the very powers He gave His life tryin to free us from.

I bet there is shit in that Bible that you didn't even know of. For example, did you know it is a greater offense to eat shellfish than it is to endulge in fudgepacking, according to the Old Testament? And that it is ok to own slaves, and sell your daughters into slavery? And that if you cut your bangs (for guys) you are damned and cursed?

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First of all, God is completely logical and scientific. I am double majoring in applied discrete mathematics and physics. The probability of autonomous life being self created is virtually zero. I am familiar with the principles of quantum mechanics, string theory, and M-theory. They all seek to show what occured before the big bang and they all have failed miserably. They are great theories none the less. You just cannot expect to explain away God.

Some of the greatest minds of all time had a strong believe in God. Neils Bohr, Albert Einstein, Sir Isaac Newton said the only thing he studied more than math and physics was the Bible. Francis S. Collins, the man who lead the team that cracked the human genome back in 1999, has a book entitled "The Language of God". Do not try to tell me he is outdated or unscientific.

Secondly, you right. I do not know everything about the Bible. I doubt that you do either. You throw around all of these assertions about what the Bible says, yet I see no scriptural references. Where is the credibilty?

CrackerJax said:

How embarrassing for you....good luck with your logical life. An unexamined logical life based on hear say in anonymous authors.

I think those parameters are spot on.


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I am actually basing my evidence of statistical probability and the opinions of several non-biased historians. Do not try to explain away God to help you sleep better at night when you do something that makes you feel guilty.

The fact that you equate biblical references with credibility says it all. Hoodwinked at a young age and not quite brave enough to figure it out on your own. Maybe even accepting that it cannot be figured out. It takes mental stamina to break free from brain washing. Here's hoping you develop some.




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puffdamagikdragon said:

number two there is not one shred of archeological evidence for ANYTHING in the Bible.

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there's a rock layer in the grand canyon that is the same level as another rock layer in a canyon...somewhere far away. it's been a long time since my pastor told me this. this is proof of the great flood

Higher Education said:

First of all, God is completely logical and scientific.

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I'm an extremely logical and rational person, and think about most things from an objective P.O.V, and I can say with certainty, god is not logical(well, not any logic a human could comprehend) and god's definately far from scientific

Mr MaryJane- I heard about that layer, too. From sunday school. But when I tried to validate it, I could find none. Kinda a sunday school urban legend kind of thing.

Higher- Exodus 21:7 (daughter in slavery)
Leviticus 11:10 (shellfish greater abomination than homosexuality)
Now, while you claim to not be the pastor following type, do you believe the Bible to be the 'Word of God'? Btw, textural critism is a hobby of mine, as is ancient texts. I know the 'Bible' better than most, obviously better than you.
You should study the history of the book, what it left out, the battles over what was allowed to be deemed 'truth', and the horrible case of wool that has been pulled over your eyes. The Bible is nothing to do with the true message of Yeshua, and everything about control and religion corrupting His original message.

And I have no interest in 'explaining away God' (obviously a pet phrase of yours, you like to 'throw out' at every chance.) I totally know of the existance of what you call God. But I also know that is not the REAL 'God', the Living ONE, the 'Father' Yeshua spoke of.

There were 336 prophecies fullfilled in the New Testament about Jesus. Some of them regarded his enemies. Why would Jesus' enemies want to fullfill prophecy to make him look like the Mesiah. Psalm 90 goes into a detailed description about the betrayal of Jesus. David wrote the Book of Psalms 900 years before the actual betrayal ever happen. David predicted that a close friend of Jesus would betray him for thirty pieces of silver. The interesting thing is that silver was not even the currency at the time David wrote this. The Book of Psalms and the Gospels have varified as authentic by several highly regarded historians of the biblical time period. I will be happy take the time to look them up and listen them if you doubt me.

I think it takes more stamina to be have a minority opinion. You doubt my logic so much, yet you have failed to offer a replacement. Please do not give me that bullshit of a theory evolution either. Actually you can if you want because I will it apart.

good bedtime stories...

CrackerJax said:

The fact that you equate biblical references with credibility says it all. Hoodwinked at a young age and not quite brave enough to figure it out on your own. Maybe even accepting that it cannot be figured out. It takes mental stamina to break free from brain washing. Here's hoping you develop some.




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There are 336 prophecies fullfilled in the New Testament about Jesus. Some of them regarding his enemies. Why would Jesus' enemies want to fullfill prophecy to make him look like the Mesiah. Psalm 90 goes into a detailed description about the betrayal of Jesus. David wrote the Book of Psalms 900 years before the actual betrayal ever happen. David predicted that a close friend of Jesus would betray him for thirty pieces of silver. The interesting thing is that silver was not even the currency at the time David wrote this. The authors of the Book of Psalms and the Gospels have been varified by several highly regarded historians of the biblical time period. I will be happy take the time to look them up and list them if you doubt me.

I think it takes more stamina to be have a minority opinion. You doubt my logic so much, yet you have failed to offer a replacement. Please do not give me that bullshit of a theory evolution either. Actually you can if you want because I will rip it apart.

Mr. Maryjane said:

there's a rock layer in the grand canyon that is the same level as another rock layer in a canyon...somewhere far away. it's been a long time since my pastor told me this. this is proof of the great flood




I'm an extremely logical and rational person, and think about most things from an objective P.O.V, and I can say with certainty, god is not logical(well, not any logic a human could comprehend) and god's definately far from scientific

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What do you have thats more logical? Do you believe we spontaneous came into existence from microbial soup? Hum, did God create man or did he come from soup? What is more logical? As I previously stated, Francis S. Collins believes in God and he cracker the human genome. Look up his book "The Language of God".

Look dude, if you want civilitiy I would suggest you give it. You ain't 'rippin' anything apart, unless you are the one tha'll be hanging in parts later wondering what the fuck happened. We are all havin a nice discussion here, about God and our ideas of what she/he/it is, and you can keep your fucking hate and intolerance to your fucking self. Got me? Don't fuck with dragons, I would hate to have to burn you to a crisp before your ass has had a chance to learn summin.

Now, I don't technically ascribe to evolution, if it was a natural process then chimps and bunnies would be cave painting by now. But I also don't think the Bible is a history book either. Fact is YOU DON"T KNOW, NEITHER DO I. NEITHER ONE CAN PROVE SHIT. So that lets control and the other elements of scientific explanation out the window, eh? Fact is, you can't 'experiment' on spiritual things, you cannot create the exact same environment every time, you cannot control all the variables and you have no control set, as well. So you are really going into murky territory, while supposing to put yourseflf above all of us you are only making yourself really laughable, and NOT helping your 'side' one bit. If I were on your side, I would be BEGGIN you to shut up, and stop makin us all look as stupid as you are makin us look, but since I ain't on your side, go ahead.