roflcopter420
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I dont know what is the difference between RSO and any other hash oil?! Could anybody help me out with that?
What is the difference between Rick Simpson Oil and other Oils?
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Dr.Nick Riviera
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rick simpson made one and put out a tutorial on how to make, others do it in modified versions, but the end product is really what matters
chemphlegm
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always wondered if his naptha residuals themselves held a cancer cure secret.
roflcopter420
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Dr.Nick: Sure, so the my question is: Do the end products have differences between each toher or is RSO "just" a normal hush oil with another name?
Chemp.: Sounds interessing. Where do you have this opinion? Which with reason? Any link for me or s.e.?
Thx you both a bunch
Chemp.: Sounds interessing. Where do you have this opinion? Which with reason? Any link for me or s.e.?
Thx you both a bunch
roflcopter420
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So it is simply the same and there is no difference towards other hash oils?
Dr.Nick Riviera
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Yes, people use different chemicals and have different opinions on which ones work best. Some agree with rick, some don't. I can't tell you which way is the right way as i don't think anyone has a definitive answer on that yet.Dr.Nick: Sure, so the my question is: Do the end products have differences between each toher or is RSO "just" a normal hush oil with another name?
Chemp.: Sounds interessing. Where do you have this opinion? Which with reason? Any link for me or s.e.?
Thx you both a bunch
WeedFreak78
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RSO is more of a full compound extract, pulling more of the oils than say a Qwiso or butane extract, which is going for the surface oils mainly. Soak times are 3-5 mins, where most other extracts are a 30sec to 1 min wash.
Solvent shouldn't matter, more the process, but different solvents have different solubility, to a degree.
I consider RSO, and similar extracts, more medical than Qwiso/eto/butane extracts, which are, generally, more recreational. IMO.
Solvent shouldn't matter, more the process, but different solvents have different solubility, to a degree.
I consider RSO, and similar extracts, more medical than Qwiso/eto/butane extracts, which are, generally, more recreational. IMO.
chemphlegm
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@WeedFreak78 - rso made with naptha is more medicinal compared to food grade nbutane extracts? really?
solvents are all that matter, as they allow specific active compounds to be extracted, and some solvents are much more difficult to remove than others. I'll dab someones back yard bho any day before I ever use that runny shit tasting naptha canadian crap they fed us as kids
some people cure their cancer with prayer and no rso, but the pray-ers might be sneaking naptha drops in the evening, you never know...
solvents are all that matter, as they allow specific active compounds to be extracted, and some solvents are much more difficult to remove than others. I'll dab someones back yard bho any day before I ever use that runny shit tasting naptha canadian crap they fed us as kids
I'm pretty sure naptha remains in the medicine, with a wooden stick, rice cooker and your snifffer and all....and naptha has a long medicinal history.....so I wondered...Chemp.: Sounds interessing. Where do you have this opinion? Which with reason? Any link for me or s.e.?
Thx you both a bunch
some people cure their cancer with prayer and no rso, but the pray-ers might be sneaking naptha drops in the evening, you never know...
WeedFreak78
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(Sigh)..I said "I consider RSO, and similar extracts, more medical than Qwiso/eto/butane extracts, which are, generally, more recreational. IMO."
IOW, my opinion, "RSO", used generically, not specifically his procedure, is more medicinal than bho, Qwiso, qwet, etc extractions. I said nothing about the extraction solvent, other than it doesn't matter, within reason. Could be naphtha, per his method, iso, etho, shit even water extraction. Naptha/acetone/etc extracts can always be polished to remove residuals, if you think they are a issue.
IMO "RSO" is a "Full" extract, or essential oil, pulling all compounds. That's why it's like black tar. Usually has a longer "soak" period, up to a few days in some procedures. I agree it tastes like crap, so does aspirin and penicillin, it's medicine, not saying don't try to make it better, just medicinal effect should be priority, not taste
Other extraction methods are specifically targeting only the external resin glands only, not the internal plant compounds. More for recreational use, imo, being done focusing mainly on terpene profiles and thc content, I don't consider that fully medicinal.
I never recommend petroleum based solvents, food grade ethanol (gain alcohol, Everclear) is what I prefer.
GreenthumbQC
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What I get is you decarb RSO making it edible. Rick Simpson was on a medicinal mission.
"Hash oil" is generally used for combustion. And not decarbed. BHO. QWISO. etc. work more for recreational or sleep.
Properly made RSO has numerous pros and cancer healing benefits.
My 2 cents.
I'm making a video tutorial on cold evaporation of iso 99% for RSO in less then 15 mins.
"Hash oil" is generally used for combustion. And not decarbed. BHO. QWISO. etc. work more for recreational or sleep.
Properly made RSO has numerous pros and cancer healing benefits.
My 2 cents.
I'm making a video tutorial on cold evaporation of iso 99% for RSO in less then 15 mins.
Madrigal
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While making RSO, I have talked to various people in the medical marijuana community who were also making the oil. I do not believe that the solvent used is what distinguishes Rick Simpson's method from others. I believe it is the temperature at which he cooks the oil. It is what makes his oil high in THC and CBNs, but relatively low in CBDs in comparison to other oils. I'll explain.
RSO oil is cooked at the highest temp possible before the THC starts to evaporate. I believe that would be a max of 135°C (but when cooking you want to keep it below aprox. 115, because as soon as it climbs higher than that, the temperature starts leaping more than one degree at a time and you lose control in an instant).
Rick Simpson wants the oil cooked at high temps because it's what you need to decarboxylate the oil thoroughly, thereby getting as much THC potency as you can. Why? Because in the hash oil camp you have the THC'ers and the CBD'ers. Rick is a THC'er. He swears by THC first and foremost to treat many diseases, especially cancer. Although he recognizes the use of CBDs, to him they are only there to avoid you getting high as a kite, to avoid energizing patients too much, especially cancer patients who need rest.
When you cook the oil at such high temps, you lose tons of CBDs. What you are left with is the THC and CBNs and only a few CBDs. The CBNs will counteract the effects of a high THC potency and make patients sleepy, groggy, sometimes disoriented, instead of energized. But his treatment implies that patients spend a good few weeks sleeping most of the time; he says it's part of the treatment.
Now, to someone who highly values the properties of CBDs, which are many, this is an aberration. They prefer to sacrifice some THC decarboxylation for the sake of retaining those good wholesome CBDs (so they cook the oil at low temps and for a longer time instead of high temps and a short time). Simpson will tell you that's fine and dandy, but that it won't be a cancer cure if it's not extremely potent in THC. It will be helpful, but it won't be a cure.
Is Simpson right about the cancer cure thing? I do not doubt his honesty but I have yet to see it myself.
RSO oil is cooked at the highest temp possible before the THC starts to evaporate. I believe that would be a max of 135°C (but when cooking you want to keep it below aprox. 115, because as soon as it climbs higher than that, the temperature starts leaping more than one degree at a time and you lose control in an instant).
Rick Simpson wants the oil cooked at high temps because it's what you need to decarboxylate the oil thoroughly, thereby getting as much THC potency as you can. Why? Because in the hash oil camp you have the THC'ers and the CBD'ers. Rick is a THC'er. He swears by THC first and foremost to treat many diseases, especially cancer. Although he recognizes the use of CBDs, to him they are only there to avoid you getting high as a kite, to avoid energizing patients too much, especially cancer patients who need rest.
When you cook the oil at such high temps, you lose tons of CBDs. What you are left with is the THC and CBNs and only a few CBDs. The CBNs will counteract the effects of a high THC potency and make patients sleepy, groggy, sometimes disoriented, instead of energized. But his treatment implies that patients spend a good few weeks sleeping most of the time; he says it's part of the treatment.
Now, to someone who highly values the properties of CBDs, which are many, this is an aberration. They prefer to sacrifice some THC decarboxylation for the sake of retaining those good wholesome CBDs (so they cook the oil at low temps and for a longer time instead of high temps and a short time). Simpson will tell you that's fine and dandy, but that it won't be a cancer cure if it's not extremely potent in THC. It will be helpful, but it won't be a cure.
Is Simpson right about the cancer cure thing? I do not doubt his honesty but I have yet to see it myself.
MMJ Dreaming 99
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I have a somewhat distant relative with colon cancer. It was not going well. They are in a state that just did medical and had to order 50% THC RSO in indica.
They did a suppository and the results were amazing. The thing with cancer is you never know if it will come back. I was a skeptic before but not anymore.
This lady cured lung cancer. She used a syringe with RSO and a little coconut oil also as suppository. It is pretty amazing.