Pureblood89
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You can force it to show sex by going 12/12 then reveg by switching back to 18/6 or higher
what is the best length of time to veg your ladies?..
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sirwolf
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thats cool.
Medi 1
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nope. its a phtoperiodism responce type plant. maybe to much explanation....lol
Photoperiodism
A plant's response to changes in the length of days and nights is called photoperiodism. Photoperiodism affects many plant processes, including the formation of storage organs and bud dormancy. However, the most studied photoperiodic process is flowering. Some plants require a particular night length to flower. In other species, a particular night length merely makes a plant flower sooner than it otherwise would.
Critical Night Length
It has been discovered that the important factor in flowering is the amount of darkness, or night length, that a plant receives. Each plant species has its own specific requirements for darkness, called the critical night length. Although it is now understood that night length, and not day length, regulates flowering, the terms short-day plant and long-day plant are still used. A short-day plant flowers when the days are short and the nights are long. Conversely, a long-day plant flowers when the days are long and the nights are short compared to the requirements of another plant.
Responding to Day Length and Night Length
Plants can be divided into three groups, depending on their response tot he photoperiod, which again acts a season indicator.
One group, called day-neutral plants (DNPs) are not affected by day length. Examples of DNPs for flowering include tomatoes, dandelions, roses, corn, cotton and beans.
Short-day plants (SDPs) flower in the spring of fall, when the day length is short. For example ragweed flowers when the days are shorter than 14 hours and poinsettias flower when the days are shorter than 12 hours. Chrysanthemums, goldenrods, and soybeans are SDPs for flowering.
Long-day plants (LDPs) flower when the days are long, usually in summer. For example, wheat flowers only when the days are longer than 10 hours. Radishes, asters, petunias, and beets are LDPs for flowering.
and cannabis is not related to tomatoes. our closest relative is hops for making beer.
Photoperiodism
A plant's response to changes in the length of days and nights is called photoperiodism. Photoperiodism affects many plant processes, including the formation of storage organs and bud dormancy. However, the most studied photoperiodic process is flowering. Some plants require a particular night length to flower. In other species, a particular night length merely makes a plant flower sooner than it otherwise would.
Critical Night Length
It has been discovered that the important factor in flowering is the amount of darkness, or night length, that a plant receives. Each plant species has its own specific requirements for darkness, called the critical night length. Although it is now understood that night length, and not day length, regulates flowering, the terms short-day plant and long-day plant are still used. A short-day plant flowers when the days are short and the nights are long. Conversely, a long-day plant flowers when the days are long and the nights are short compared to the requirements of another plant.
Responding to Day Length and Night Length
Plants can be divided into three groups, depending on their response tot he photoperiod, which again acts a season indicator.
One group, called day-neutral plants (DNPs) are not affected by day length. Examples of DNPs for flowering include tomatoes, dandelions, roses, corn, cotton and beans.
Short-day plants (SDPs) flower in the spring of fall, when the day length is short. For example ragweed flowers when the days are shorter than 14 hours and poinsettias flower when the days are shorter than 12 hours. Chrysanthemums, goldenrods, and soybeans are SDPs for flowering.
Long-day plants (LDPs) flower when the days are long, usually in summer. For example, wheat flowers only when the days are longer than 10 hours. Radishes, asters, petunias, and beets are LDPs for flowering.
and cannabis is not related to tomatoes. our closest relative is hops for making beer.
sirwolf
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ok thanks. there is a lot of misinformation on here thats too easily taken at face value. its good to be corrected. thanks
Medi 1
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its not just here. its the whole forum thing out there. tons of missinformed or mainly old outdated info. it was illegal to test on cannabis...and still is for alot. most of the books out there are written by authors...not growers or horticulture guys. its all about the dollar. or its the new guy that snuck through his first grow and now thinks he knows it all.....no offence to anyone with those comments.
when i see a new theory or post i try it and do the science to see why or if it even works and how. if i cant duplicate it each time then its not fact or science. there are many diff ways to grow but anyone should be able to do it to or its not worth using as info..now im baked and rambling here....lol
i will be sharing alot more sciency stuff in my journal here. and i run you tube vids to help people, i may post some in the journal to.
when i see a new theory or post i try it and do the science to see why or if it even works and how. if i cant duplicate it each time then its not fact or science. there are many diff ways to grow but anyone should be able to do it to or its not worth using as info..now im baked and rambling here....lol
i will be sharing alot more sciency stuff in my journal here. and i run you tube vids to help people, i may post some in the journal to.
sirwolf
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cool. its good to have you on the forum. im am on my fist grow, so i dont really have much experience, trial and error really. i have submerged myself in more and more info...lol, i should have a lot of it figured out in a few years.
im finally starting 12/12 tomorrow.....technically, later today...but,...
twistedwords
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SirWolf, It depends on the strain. Sativas take longer than a indica strain, so it all depends on the strain. Again, I can get plants to veg rapidly, but flowering is all on the plant. Give you an example, I have an outdoor plant right now going into flower mode(Sativa/Indica). I grew it 5 inches in 3 days and all I did was add my own tea recipe I have been using for over 20 years. So again, this wonderful plant has some secrets to it. The real secret to this plant is not science, but taking care of them. If you are growing in soil I always tell people get a moisture tester for the soil. Keep it moist, but not saturated. Keep the plant full with nutes, the correct nutes. The correct nutes are micro-nutes and not the usual NPK. The answer to your question is simple. You can usually get 2 to 6 OZ indoor. I have seen anywhere from 5 to 10 pounds outdoor. Hence indoor growing is limited to space and light, so you end up with smaller yields. I usually get 4 OZ indoor per plant and that is fine by me.
Medi 1
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wow...bad advice...sorry. never keep a plant wet all the time3. it drops thwe ph and kills the o2 zone in the medium. cant compare in and out grows. 2 diff worlds. moisture meters are a joke. it only reads the tiny erea around the probe. so now oyu have to jam it in the roots asnd break them all over the pot to get a guess still of a reading. and the finger method is a joke to. it needs to dry all way down. not 2 knuckles down.
not n.p.k...lol thats funny. we test this stuff and everything you said is dead opposite.. 2 to 6 oz indorr. thats all?. under a 400 maybe. id hope for that from 1 plant./...at least under a 1k. more like 8 oz under a 1k.
outdoor should on average be 2 to 3 pound each.
i see all the claims of yields but not a me3ntion of what light size. ...no offence dood but this is the worst advice ive found yet on this site. other than the cfl in a hid ballast....lol
yes need good care for the plants...but if you dont understand how they eat and live then youll never reach the good care will ya.
not n.p.k...lol thats funny. we test this stuff and everything you said is dead opposite.. 2 to 6 oz indorr. thats all?. under a 400 maybe. id hope for that from 1 plant./...at least under a 1k. more like 8 oz under a 1k.
outdoor should on average be 2 to 3 pound each.
i see all the claims of yields but not a me3ntion of what light size. ...no offence dood but this is the worst advice ive found yet on this site. other than the cfl in a hid ballast....lol
yes need good care for the plants...but if you dont understand how they eat and live then youll never reach the good care will ya.
Medi 1
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and the reason it grew fast like that is auxins are higher when less light. the 12/12 flowering stretch is a good eg of that. is why they take of for the first bit till the cytokins catch up and slow this and make it wonder and form bud sets.
and i guess you didnt get that as scinece isnt important to them...lol
and i guess you didnt get that as scinece isnt important to them...lol
twistedwords
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Well Medi , this isn't a place to argue with people. You sound like a little kid so I won't be engaging you anymore. I am only trying to help someone out here who isn't as profound as a horticulturaist as you are. Obviously you have a chip on your shoulder for some reason, but I do not know why.
richiesworld
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also not true... according to the latest in identification and classification of plant DNA strawberries are closest to mj...
here's an article about the project: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/genome
and a link to an RIU thread about the very subject: https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/11837-did-you-know.html
sirwolf
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thats cool. thanks for the info
Medi 1
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dna???...we look for the flowering cycle not dna. and nutrie3nt needs. sure maybe some new info has come to light being testing on cannabis has been illegal till we got the medical stuff out now.
i may know a fair bit but nobody has read every post or stat on the net yet. i always keep an open mind to new ideas to see if its a theory or science.
ill read that
yes sometimes i do get snotty once i get called immature names form kids that are new to this and they have nothing to back their stuff with to. i do have ive been posting it but as its form my research you dont seem to believe. so why beleive the others ?? what is it you all need to see to believe or even try.
and yes im a 48 year old kid..thats been at this over 20 years. so im still learning.
i may know a fair bit but nobody has read every post or stat on the net yet. i always keep an open mind to new ideas to see if its a theory or science.
ill read that
yes sometimes i do get snotty once i get called immature names form kids that are new to this and they have nothing to back their stuff with to. i do have ive been posting it but as its form my research you dont seem to believe. so why beleive the others ?? what is it you all need to see to believe or even try.
and yes im a 48 year old kid..thats been at this over 20 years. so im still learning.
stumpjumper
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A lot of guys veg too early IMO but I guess space is the primary consideration.
Me personally, I like to veg untill the plant bushes out and I know that I will have stron branches and multiple buds and not just a big cola. STS is your friend.
Me personally, I like to veg untill the plant bushes out and I know that I will have stron branches and multiple buds and not just a big cola. STS is your friend.
sirwolf
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what is sts? (stoners trade sex?) my ladies are over 40 days old and on the 2nd day of flowering. i think they are old enough. they are super busy from the lst already. abd they smell so nice.
thanks to everyone so far.
Medi 1
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eihter a chemical or meant Lst.
sts......
Technological advances in plant molecular genetics, especially in the areas of gene isolation and plant transformation, provide the opportunity to consider strategies which attempt to engineer important crop plants with controlled hormonal responses. Two important agronomic traits which determine crop productivity and which are controlled, at least in part, by plant hormones are postharvest qualities and plant architecture. This paper reviews two approaches for controlling specific physiological and developmental processes in horticultural plants through phytohormone manipulations. One strategy is the manipulation of the biochemistry of synthesis and perception of hormones. This approach is limited to instances where cloned and characterized genes are available. The second method is longer term and uses a genetic approach to define genes which control plant shape, specifically branching and internode elongation.
sts......
Technological advances in plant molecular genetics, especially in the areas of gene isolation and plant transformation, provide the opportunity to consider strategies which attempt to engineer important crop plants with controlled hormonal responses. Two important agronomic traits which determine crop productivity and which are controlled, at least in part, by plant hormones are postharvest qualities and plant architecture. This paper reviews two approaches for controlling specific physiological and developmental processes in horticultural plants through phytohormone manipulations. One strategy is the manipulation of the biochemistry of synthesis and perception of hormones. This approach is limited to instances where cloned and characterized genes are available. The second method is longer term and uses a genetic approach to define genes which control plant shape, specifically branching and internode elongation.
Graceman
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Really? I was thinking of topping my plants for a couple of reasons - one to keep them all about the same height and the other to get them bushier. This is my third crop and I think I need to learn how to trim while they are growing to get the buds I want.