I'll disagree with that one......I own the Phytomax 2 1,000 and with 4 plants with a 6 week veg I consistently get 2.5+, and 3+ three times now (from my critical mass x white widow mother (BX1)). The argument will be spectrum and power consumption so here goes. I run from clone in 55% coco/40% perlite/5% basalt. I feed 3 times a day via DTW on a 4x4 table. I hate touting on nutrients because it is always assumed that you're affiliated somehow, so I won't mention a label. I own a PhytoMax2 1000, a Gavita 1700e, a Grower's Choice ROI-680E, a 1,000W DE Gavita HPS, and A couple cheapo blurples from amazon that I started with that I keep because they do quite well with autos, and I've had numerous others as well, but I'll focus on the current inventory. the best I've gotten from either white LED is Currently 1.86 from the GC and 1.93 from the Gavita with the gavita producing a denser and stronger scented flower. My cheap blurples (880w in all) yielded their biggest weigh-in at 1.19. That was also when I was noob and training was more along the lines of hacking the poor things. that being said, I think if I were to put them on a mover and drop them another 6" I could hit the 1.5 mark with the cheapos but It would be a LOOOONG veg. I can regularly bang out 3+ from the HPS with a good solid breed and environment. I use CO² and trigger lighting for some photo-cellular trickery to maximize their sleeping time. the point is I run my HPS and it brings in some serious weight when its overdriven at 1150W, My BDL gives me the same results with 100 less watts and a shit ton less cooling required. If it's a pissing match for trich production, the cheapos from amazon banged out the frost like platinums (I know, shit lights, blah blah blah, says people who have never even used them most times), with the BDL falling in second place. I don't feel that blurple lighting was entirely wrong, look at the Budmaster GOD, or the old Bloom Boss Fusion 1800 those were lights n the beginning of the blurple madness that did a great job producing some damn fine flowers. Sometimes new tech isn't always the best option, I love all of my lights, but the fact remains that they each bring it's own thing to the table and it really is just a grower's preference. For me it's a giant experiment and to test my strengths and weaknesses in the garden in drastically differing environments in the search for some sort of fluke in the nature of the plant that makes it do something incredible. Like how did we figure out cold temps could make flowers that would normally stay green turn gorgeous purple shades? We observed the nature of its reaction to cold climates vs warm climates. we did a comparison and came to a rational conclusion. I want to know what i can fuck up to make an awesome result that's not been discovered. Just for fun: Take 1g of GOOD bud and grind it. Bring 2 cups of milk just below a boil and add ground herb. simmer for 45 minutes while stirring regularly. Pour through sieve or cheesecloth into a large mug. add hot coco. GET RIPPED, that's why I'm rambling incessantly via keyboard. another note, add 2-3 teaspoons cinnamon before heating and you can't smell the bud (in case you don't want you neighbores smelling it. lol) Yeah, Apple Fritter REEEAAAALLLLLLYYYYYYY does the trick for that recipe....Ok, uhm, lights....Yeah. I have no argument with homemade lights unless it's an idiot wiring them (*cough, cough, Cody Oebel, ccough, cough*), then I say it's a good strong no. If you have ANY doubt at all that you're incapable of wiring them, I advise you not to try it or at least have someone who knows how to do it around. Also, with ANY light, when you buy them, you get what you pay for and if you're only going to be running one light, a failure can cost you a whole crop if you dont have the resources to replace it while waiting on a warranty or just come up with scratch to buy a new one when the company says "you used it wrong".....Redundant measures always pay off. So. yeah, that's all. Dueces