what is it that convinces you ?

Granny weed

Granny weed

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Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:
i'm convinced every religion involving deities are full of shit, their followers make it clear with their actions. contradictions out the ass and inability to understand scripture or excepting it as a whole is always interesting to watch. if it weren't something to comically poke fun at every now and then it would be much more annoying. hopefully society just advances to the point where adults-parents can let their kids decide for themselves, sadly since many religious folk have limited scientific understanding of how reality works, teaching kids is often supplanted with religious teaching and thats why it sticks for so long until they get the right pieces to the puzzle and form their own understanding backed by facts that are verifiable. for instance, i was raised jewish, when i was 7 i read the bible, that made me an atheist. i understood it was full of fictional pieces of scripture that were like easily observable plot-holes in a loosely strung together book about a bunch of atrocious shit. honestly, the first page is a joke, god made the earth before light? i can understand if somebody interprets it in a more literary metaphorical sense and gets values/beliefs from that, as long as they don't involve educating kids that sinners are anyone who isn't in the "in group".
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Im sorry to show my ignorance but what are the beliefs of Jewish people, Jesus was a Jew so do Jews worship Jesus if not then who?
 
Granny weed

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cannabineer said:
The God of Abraham. cn
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You cn are a very intelligent man, you seem to know a lot about everything and Iam rather intrigued by you.

I apologise again for my lack of knowledge so I would appreciate it if you could explain further, who is the god of Abraham?
 
mindphuk

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Granny weed said:
Im sorry to show my ignorance but what are the beliefs of Jewish people, Jesus was a Jew so do Jews worship Jesus if not then who?
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All of the earliest Christians were Jews that believed that Jesus was the Messiah (Christ in Greek). A Messiah is a king, literally 'the anointed one.' There were many prophecies regarding who and what the next Messiah would be like, but most importantly, he would be King of Israel. Jesus did not match most of these prophecies unless you take an extremely figurative and metaphysical interpretation of them so most Jewish people did not accept Jesus. The biggest objection is that he was never King of Israel. The descendents of these people are still Jewish while Christians mostly came from converts of Roman subjects, many of which were slaves and had an extremely low station in Roman society and were enticed by the promises of salvation in the next life.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Granny weed said:
You cn are a very intelligent man, you seem to know a lot about everything and Iam rather intrigued by you.

I apologise again for my lack of knowledge so I would appreciate it if you could explain further, who is the god of Abraham?
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Thank you for that high praise, Granny!
I can only give you Biblical answers to your question, as the Bible is sort of "the book" on the topic.
The Jewish faith shares the Bible's Old Testament (with especial emphasis on the first five books, the Pentateuch or Torah) with the other Abrahamic religions, Christianity and Islam.
So the God of Abraham is the deity who revealed himself to Adam, Noah and Abram, who then changed his name as a token of his obedience to this singular god.
What I find interesting is that while the three great religions of the West (as opposed to the indigenously Asian religions, of which Hinduism and Buddhism are the dominants) share one divine center, the hard core of each would be offended by someone saying that The unnamable G*d of the Jews, the triune Divinity of the churches, and al'Lah of Islam are one and the same.
There is also a certain tautological/circular feature to G*d's identity. "I am the great I AM", which basically goes 'round and 'round unless you're anchored to it/him by faith.
I don't know if this answers your question satisfactorily. cn
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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mindphuk said:
All of the earliest Christians were Jews that believed that Jesus was the Messiah (Christ in Greek). A Messiah is a king, literally 'the anointed one.' There were many prophecies regarding who and what the next Messiah would be like, but most importantly, he would be King of Israel. Jesus did not match most of these prophecies unless you take an extremely figurative and metaphysical interpretation of them so most Jewish people did not accept Jesus. The biggest objection is that he was never King of Israel. The descendents of these people are still Jewish while Christians mostly came from converts of Roman subjects, many of which were slaves and had an extremely low station in Roman society and were enticed by the promises of salvation in the next life.
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The book of Acts lists a few non-Jews who were baptized, e.g. an Ethiopian eunuch and a Roman centurion. cn
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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cannabineer said:
There is also a certain tautological/circular feature to G*d's identity. "I am the great I AM", which basically goes 'round and 'round unless you're anchored to it/him by faith.
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...I'm glad you brought this up. The 'Rotundum' is a specific area of interest to me. I know we've joked about the Ouroboros before, which I give the meaning of completeness of being. I can 'see' the i am and I AM in this sense, which is supposed to be reciprocal. God 'survives' if we need Him back. So here we have man having to keep God alive by reviving Him from our depths. Abraham is said to be the 'innermost' to some. faith and Faith.

..anyway, nice post :)
 
dashcues

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Man!...wearing out my like button.:mrgreen:
Definitely a (r)evolutionary time for the Hebrews.(OT).I think they found the boundaries of polytheistic belief,and opted for a more meaningful relationship(?).I can relate;-).By boundaries I quote what Neer & Eye so eloquently posted elsewhere..."The gods were petty and cruel".But a God....a God that you exalt higher than all others,well that God would be more personable to you,and might would make you his "chosen".We see it again in the Romans conversion to christianity.(not all was by sword).
Too many gods...too many cooks to spoil the pot.And now the authors only had to speak for one God.Simple.Right?(hahaha..not hardly).

Starting in Genesis we see a major clash of styles.Most notably between the tales of the enuma elish,and the writings of the (P)riestly & the (E)lohim source.Not to mention the countless oral traditions that were in circulation at the time.Too many cooks do spoil the pot.The contradictions are apparent.As we see one author try to merge these gods into a 1+deity.Creator gods and destroyer gods all together now....almost.More like a polytheistic monarchy.With Yahweh getting promoted to head of the table.For some Hebrews.

And agreeing with Eye,I believe Abram was a big part of the refinement process.He initiated the age of henotheism,by taking Yahweh out of Ur?(if I remember right).Where Yahweh was amidst other sumerian and canaanite gods. So yeah.As you stated;Abram "revived" Yahweh.And in doing so,Yahweh led him to what would become the "holy land".A symbiosis of sorts.
I'm way off topic by now.Probably have been from the start.My ole lady says I shouldn't get stoned and discuss the bible.I ramble way off course.As I'm sure by now,you would agree.

Anyway..t'is the season.Hope it's a good one.
 
Granny weed

Granny weed

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cannabineer said:
Thank you for that high praise, Granny!
I can only give you Biblical answers to your question, as the Bible is sort of "the book" on the topic.
The Jewish faith shares the Bible's Old Testament (with especial emphasis on the first five books, the Pentateuch or Torah) with the other Abrahamic religions, Christianity and Islam.
So the God of Abraham is the deity who revealed himself to Adam, Noah and Abram, who then changed his name as a token of his obedience to this singular god.
What I find interesting is that while the three great religions of the West (as opposed to the indigenously Asian religions, of which Hinduism and Buddhism are the dominants) share one divine center, the hard core of each would be offended by someone saying that The unnamable G*d of the Jews, the triune Divinity of the churches, and al'Lah of Islam are one and the same.
There is also a certain tautological/circular feature to G*d's identity. "I am the great I AM", which basically goes 'round and 'round unless you're anchored to it/him by faith.
I don't know if this answers your question satisfactorily. cn
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Your welcome.
yes that answers my question, thank you for that ;-)
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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dashcues said:
Man!...wearing out my like button.:mrgreen:
Definitely a (r)evolutionary time for the Hebrews.(OT).I think they found the boundaries of polytheistic belief,and opted for a more meaningful relationship(?).I can relate;-).By boundaries I quote what Neer & Eye so eloquently posted elsewhere..."The gods were petty and cruel".But a God....a God that you exalt higher than all others,well that God would be more personable to you,and might would make you his "chosen".We see it again in the Romans conversion to christianity.(not all was by sword).
Too many gods...too many cooks to spoil the pot.And now the authors only had to speak for one God.Simple.Right?(hahaha..not hardly).

Starting in Genesis we see a major clash of styles.Most notably between the tales of the enuma elish,and the writings of the (P)riestly & the (E)lohim source.Not to mention the countless oral traditions that were in circulation at the time.Too many cooks do spoil the pot.The contradictions are apparent.As we see one author try to merge these gods into a 1+deity.Creator gods and destroyer gods all together now....almost.More like a polytheistic monarchy.With Yahweh getting promoted to head of the table.For some Hebrews.

And agreeing with Eye,I believe Abram was a big part of the refinement process.He initiated the age of henotheism,by taking Yahweh out of Ur?(if I remember right).Where Yahweh was amidst other sumerian and canaanite gods. So yeah.As you stated;Abram "revived" Yahweh.And in doing so,Yahweh led him to what would become the "holy land".A symbiosis of sorts.
I'm way off topic by now.Probably have been from the start.My ole lady says I shouldn't get stoned and discuss the bible.I ramble way off course.As I'm sure by now,you would agree.

Anyway..t'is the season.Hope it's a good one.
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...stoned rambling is an important ingredient! (:lol:) Never to worry, Dash, we're all in the same boat! Wait, this wasn't about Noah, was it? :)
 
dashcues

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eye exaggerate said:
...stoned rambling is an important ingredient! (:lol:) Never to worry, Dash, we're all in the same boat! Wait, this wasn't about Noah, was it? :)
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That's what I like to hear..
And I hope my post didn't come off as too "matter-of-fact".This theology may change by tomorrow.;-).It usually does in some way.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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dashcues said:
That's what I like to hear..
And I hope my post didn't come off as too "matter-of-fact".This theology may change by tomorrow.;-).It usually does in some way.
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...somehow I've been able to say that what I 'know' is just my 'current' understanding. There can be room for empiricism, but life overall is not frozen in time absolute. (imo) <---yikes, that moon idea comes back.
 
dashcues

dashcues

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eye exaggerate said:
...somehow I've been able to say that what I 'know' is just my 'current' understanding. There can be room for empiricism, but life overall is not frozen in time absolute. (imo) <---yikes, that moon idea comes back.
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Exactly.
Life is dynamic.Our beliefs should be too.
 
high|hgih

high|hgih

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Well god made me, and I will go back to him. And when I die I go to heaven with eternal happiness.. My immortal soul will have wings and a halo and live up in the clouds..

Just kidding, I actually rape little girls eternal souls, right after I buttfucked their fathers in front of them as they were duct taped to the wall.

edit: lol what? sorry
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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high|hgih said:
Just kidding, I actually rape little girls eternal souls, right after I buttfucked their fathers in front of them as they were duct taped to the wall.

Well god made me, and I will go back to him. And when I die I go to heaven with eternal happiness.. My immortal soul will have wings and a halo and live up in the clouds just above the fire..

edit: lol what? sorry, I can no longer stand the smell of pure sulfur
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:lol: messin', just messin'
 
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