What is causing my leaves on this plant to trip out like this?
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kudaross
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Sorry I can't help you, but I would really like to know the answer to this as well. My guinea pig plant looks like it has the same problem.
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TheTokingKing
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Many haters would disagree but, these pics look like their a little unhappy. What I would do is I would consider what the soil PH is, the big thing with growing indoors is the soil will draw in salts, this will prevent nutrients from entering the plants roots. As an organic grower I find things to use without spending a fortune and using chemicals. (organic chemicals in bottles are not true organics) Use a Tblspn Epsom Salt & Tblspn of Mollasses with every fert. Start small amounts and work up. People seem to expect great things from these items and dismiss them as useless because they try it out expecting gigantic buds. This is not possible with any chemicals. The key is to keep the flow of nutrients even and healthy. The Epsom Salt equalizes ph (because of calcium) and has potassium and other things a plant needs. The mollasses (surgar) enrages the micro organisms in the soil and breaks down everything to a form easier for the plant to absorb.
You dont have to try this but I am only suggesting this because I believe this will solve your problem. Proof be on the left, very little ferts, all natural.
You dont have to try this but I am only suggesting this because I believe this will solve your problem. Proof be on the left, very little ferts, all natural.
trichlone fiend
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...what kind of soil are you using?
...when was the last time you fertilized?
...how often do you water your ladies?
...do you adjust your pH in anywhy?
...when was the last time you fertilized?
...how often do you water your ladies?
...do you adjust your pH in anywhy?
Im leaning toward magnesium deficiency.
Soil is Fox Farms, I fertilize everytime I water - around 1000 ppm using 2-3-5 Bloom formula. Water is RO water, and is PH tested/adjusted each watering - I keep it in the yellow, so around 6 to 6.5 is probably a good guess since I dont have a digital meter and only go by the color legend on the kit. I water the ladies every two to 3 days - I use a meter to measure the moisture in the soil to see how they are. I recently bought a 2-0-0 Mag to add to the mix, only gave it once so far. I think Im going to flush today - then next water give extra 2-0-0 to this one that is a little upset and normal nutes for the other 3. Any other recommendations or thoughts? ill also consider the salt and sugar...
Soil is Fox Farms, I fertilize everytime I water - around 1000 ppm using 2-3-5 Bloom formula. Water is RO water, and is PH tested/adjusted each watering - I keep it in the yellow, so around 6 to 6.5 is probably a good guess since I dont have a digital meter and only go by the color legend on the kit. I water the ladies every two to 3 days - I use a meter to measure the moisture in the soil to see how they are. I recently bought a 2-0-0 Mag to add to the mix, only gave it once so far. I think Im going to flush today - then next water give extra 2-0-0 to this one that is a little upset and normal nutes for the other 3. Any other recommendations or thoughts? ill also consider the salt and sugar...
researchkitty
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Lower your lights next time and the plants wont be so stretchy, too.
Tie up the branches that are lopsided and nearly broken off before they are broken off or damaged.
Good luck
Tie up the branches that are lopsided and nearly broken off before they are broken off or damaged.
Good luck
wally nutter
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maybe its low on nitrogen
Jack in the Bud
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There's no Calcium or Potassium in Epsom Salt. It's basically Magnesium Sulfate (MgSO4). All though to be more accurate what's commonly sold under the name "Epsom Salts" is the heptahydrate form MgSO4-7H2O. While it's useful as a source of Mg (magnesium) it is a salt. And if not used judiciously it will only further increase the salt levels of the soil and make "fertilizer burn" worse.
If your problems are due to the soil already being to acidic the SO4 (Sulfate) component of that compound is only going to make it worse by further lowering the ph.
Jack
Jack in the Bud
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dshot,
Considering the above it really sounds (and looks) to me like you've way over feed them and have to many of these different salts built up in the soil. It also sounds like you're keeping them way to wet and drowning the root system. I've got plants that have way more foliage on them than yours in containers about the same size and I only water them about once a week.
I think that anything else you give these plants at this point is only going to make it worse. About the only thing I can think of advising you to do is give them a dam good flush and then don't water them so often or give them anything else. If they were mine I'd set them in the sink or tub and pour 5 gallons of water thru them for a flush. And then leave them alone for a week to ten days.
Jack
trichlone fiend
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...I believe your onto something.
TheTokingKing
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Read the back label. It has it all baby. Thats why it works.,..
Jack in the Bud
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cowboylogic
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And pigs can fly. Yes it works, but for the reasons Jack stated.
NwSticKyicky
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Flushing should help for sure. I transition my watering and feeding every other day. I water a little less than most people and remember if ever in doubt on a fertilizer just cut it in half. running just water through them ever other time keeps the salts out pretty well. good luck
Snow Crash
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I totally agree that this problem is related to acidic soil, over feeding, and over watering.
I'd also like to drop in the ol' Under Lit. That plant is all stretched out and tall, and unless that's a killer HID system it is under now, those lower leaves just aren't getting the energy required. As much as it is a 360 degree issue with the root zone the plant is also prioritizing and appropriating nutrients from places that get the least amount of energy.
I had to laugh at that Epsom salt statement as well. Most growers don't realize just how much sulfate they drop into their reservoirs, especially with blooming supplements. At ideal pH levels that sulfate is mostly unavailable to the plant but still available to create salts when/if the media becomes dry and it drops out of solution. I personally avoid anything with sulfate in my coco systems if I can because of the electrical sensitivity with calcium and potassium, both highly reactive with sulfates.
I'd also like to drop in the ol' Under Lit. That plant is all stretched out and tall, and unless that's a killer HID system it is under now, those lower leaves just aren't getting the energy required. As much as it is a 360 degree issue with the root zone the plant is also prioritizing and appropriating nutrients from places that get the least amount of energy.
I had to laugh at that Epsom salt statement as well. Most growers don't realize just how much sulfate they drop into their reservoirs, especially with blooming supplements. At ideal pH levels that sulfate is mostly unavailable to the plant but still available to create salts when/if the media becomes dry and it drops out of solution. I personally avoid anything with sulfate in my coco systems if I can because of the electrical sensitivity with calcium and potassium, both highly reactive with sulfates.
Jack in the Bud
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Snow (man),
Sounds like we may have a very similar understanding of "Epsom Salts" as it pertains to growing.
While the Mg in "Epsom Salt" (Magnesium Sulfate) helps a plant to utilize Calcium and Phosporus (and aids with some other things the plant needs to do) it doesn't supply those two essential nutrients. The other thing I recall about it from my reading is that to much Calcium or Potassium (K) in the soil will interfere with the plants absorbtion of Magnesium. It's like there's a little Catch-22 involved.
And then when you try and factor in the effects these things have on ph and how the ph then effects the plants ability to utilize these things, well, it can get real confusing real quick.
Jack
cowboylogic
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Snow and Jack are right. Epsom Salts is a salt alot like most of the nutes we feed our plants, NPK and alot of the rest (organics for the most part aside). Some are just better suited for growing than others. Epsoms is a good fix for a mg def. IMO best used as a foliar spray, no worries about salt buildup in the medium opposed to using as a drench. Just like Snow in his Coco, notorious for P buildup w/mg right at its side. All mediums have challenges. Salt buildup is something we all deal with no matter the medium, hydro included, its all a part of growing.
I think one thing somewhat overlooked but that Jack hit on is its 1 out of 4 plants in the same enviroment effected. Soggy and soon to rot roots can cause ph issues and l/o also. Something to pay attention too and to watch for in the other 3 plants.
I think one thing somewhat overlooked but that Jack hit on is its 1 out of 4 plants in the same enviroment effected. Soggy and soon to rot roots can cause ph issues and l/o also. Something to pay attention too and to watch for in the other 3 plants.
Snow Crash
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I think you misunderstood what I am saying.
Epsom Salt is not good for any system in my opinion. Many poor quality fertilizers depend on sulfates for the source of their salts.
Sulfate is not something you need to add in excess ever. The reactivity of the element is far to high for me to ever suggest to someone to use it as an Mg supplement. Especially with Coco where the potassium balance is especially volatile.
Epsom Salt is not good for any system in my opinion. Many poor quality fertilizers depend on sulfates for the source of their salts.
Sulfate is not something you need to add in excess ever. The reactivity of the element is far to high for me to ever suggest to someone to use it as an Mg supplement. Especially with Coco where the potassium balance is especially volatile.