What do gays really want?

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
Hey, this bitch took off some of that rep for ya.I knew if you got mad enough, you'd let it all hang out. What I don't get- is why you're still around,as I've looked at many of your posts and the majority contain personal attacks. You're the one who starts attacking when someone disagrees.
Yep, things are much better now. Bitches ought to be thankful they aren't out working the rice paddies like they are in Asia.
Are you still bitching about that? Hey, guess what- I reported you for posting the pic of the asshole,too- because you have no right to post shit like that in a thread where it isn't expected. Some folks don't want to see it. But you don't care, Vi. Your posts are all copy and paste, and when you run out of articles to copy, you try shock value. The truth is,anyone, gay or straight, can get a venereal disease.
You righties don't have to like homosexual activities, but that doesn't mean you can persecute gays with impunity. Every time I see a hateful or ignorant post,I'm gonna say something about it.Too bad if you happen to be the one who posts it.
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What I find interesting is that all I did was post pictures of people who are sick because of the unintended consequences of the Gay lifestyle ... and all hell breaks loose. I'm tagged as a hater because I've posted reality? This reminds me of the time that Stoney made the comment that an abortion only entailed tissue mass. To counter her point, I posted some pictures of partial birth abortions ... then had to put up with a multitude of personal attacks.

How come liberals have such a hard time facing the truth? <Sheesh!>
 

dukeofbaja

New Member
Let's take a look at this 'study' Rick posted (no citation of who did the study, but hey, it is from 1978 so it must be a reliable indicator)....

75% reported 100+ partners.

17% reported 100-249
15% reported 250-499
17% reported 500-999
28% reported 1000+

28+17+15+17 = 77

Either someone is a homophobe quoting a study without citations who can't do math, or something is rotten in Denmark....

Also, if you are so against promiscuity, fine. Be against the behavior itself, don't use it as a reason to persecute gays. Because you know what? Promiscuity exists among heterosexuals too, you blithering fucktard.

Take your 1978 study and shove it up your ass, good sir.

By the way, upnorth2505 totally OWNED you with more relevant statistics than your 1978 bullshit. I bet you have since started looking into rest stops with glory holes in your area so you can get some gratification out of this thread...pathetic

Sorry for the insults everyone, a shot of gin is my worst enemy. Much less three
 

Miss MeanWeed

Active Member
I used to think gay men just wanted to be women, or were into some kind of mental transmogrification with a physical link. But then I watched as a friend's child grew up, blatantly gay since he was about 3 years old. This child was not exposed to any kind of homosexual behaviour or influence at all, yet he is 7 now, and already a complete flaming queer. He nancies around, plays with and in girl's clothes, has a lisp, and is the most obviously gay gay I have ever seen.

So I began to wonder, what could make this child so irrefutably a girly-boy at the tender age of just seven?

His short background involves parental separation, divorce wars, an alcoholic mother, and most telling, an absence of sibling role models bar an older sister who thought it was fun to dress him like a girl and apply makeup to him. This conflicted child deeply missed his absent mother, blamed his mentally absent father for the divorce, and was comforted and pampered by an older sister who liked to dress him as a girl.

It all seems rather simple, but the poor child didn't stand a chance. He has adapted to a hard situation by comforting himself with behavioural reminders and constant acting out of happy moments. He hopes that by behaving effeminitely he will endear himself to his mother, after all it worked with his sister, and from his viewpoint, his father was the reason for the end of his family unit and he doesn't want to be like him, a man.

There was a chance for this child, but it hinged on alternative encouragement from the women in his life. This was never forthcoming, as to alter modes of interplay would be akin to accepting 'blame'.

This, is why this 7 year old male will mature into what will almost surely be the world's biggest fag.

It is not genetic, not inherited, but brought about entirely by events and surroundings.

His condition was brought about by key events cementing themselves in his mind, and adaptive coping techniques originating during formative cognisance.

His father still holds out hope that when the boy reaches puberty, his hormones will take over and he will take to women instead of his pals. Fat chance.
 

upnorth2505

New Member
I used to think gay men just wanted to be women, or were into some kind of mental transmogrification with a physical link. But then I watched as a friend's child grew up, blatantly gay since he was about 3 years old. This child was not exposed to any kind of homosexual behaviour or influence at all, yet he is 7 now, and already a complete flaming queer. He nancies around, plays with and in girl's clothes, has a lisp, and is the most obviously gay gay I have ever seen.

So I began to wonder, what could make this child so irrefutably a girly-boy at the tender age of just seven?

His short background involves parental separation, divorce wars, an alcoholic mother, and most telling, an absence of sibling role models bar an older sister who thought it was fun to dress him like a girl and apply makeup to him. This conflicted child deeply missed his absent mother, blamed his mentally absent father for the divorce, and was comforted and pampered by an older sister who liked to dress him as a girl.

It all seems rather simple, but the poor child didn't stand a chance. He has adapted to a hard situation by comforting himself with behavioural reminders and constant acting out of happy moments. He hopes that by behaving effeminitely he will endear himself to his mother, after all it worked with his sister, and from his viewpoint, his father was the reason for the end of his family unit and he doesn't want to be like him, a man.

There was a chance for this child, but it hinged on alternative encouragement from the women in his life. This was never forthcoming, as to alter modes of interplay would be akin to accepting 'blame'.

This, is why this 7 year old male will mature into what will almost surely be the world's biggest fag.

It is not genetic, not inherited, but brought about entirely by events and surroundings.

His condition was brought about by key events cementing themselves in his mind, and adaptive coping techniques originating during formative cognisance.

His father still holds out hope that when the boy reaches puberty, his hormones will take over and he will take to women instead of his pals. Fat chance.
Well, Mean, thank you for that "objective" assesment. Regardless of the cause of his gayness, don't you think this poor guy deserves a little compassion? Instead he is branded "the world's biggest fag" ? WTF??

Why does the poor kid deserve that?


This theorey has been throughly repudiated as a sole cause of gayness. Most kids are not gay under the same scenerio. On the other hand, a kid can be gay if he came from a loving home with a strong male presense.
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
First, it is absurd to use prostitution, gay or straight as an example of normal heterosexual sex because it isn't. This is a wholly separate issue. Are there any examples of rest stops at which men and women behave similarly without pay for services - I doubt it. Not because the men wouldn't do it, but precisely because the women wouldn't. That is why gay men and not Lesbians exhibit this behavior.

Second, all men who have sex with other men are homosexual regardless of what they call themselves.

Third, studies seldom add up to 100% because not everyone responds or fits into one of the included categories. Not knowing this is an example of ignorance.

Fourth, intolerance of people with other views makes you just as much of a bigot as any other form of intolerance.

Fifth, I posted nothing but facts without any mention of opinion. The fact that people felt the need to attack me personally for posting cold hard facts only discredits them and proves that it is they and not me who is the bigot.

Miss MeanWeed - thank you for that most insightful observation. I too had a friend growing up who was clearly made gay by his environment - an abusive father. I would suggest that if one digs deep enough, they would find childhood trauma in most cases involving homosexuality. The person may deny it and may believe their denial, but I would bet it is there never the less. This is my personal opinion based on what I know about human behavior - I have no intention of providing evidence and I don't care who agrees with me.

Furthermore, this in no way suggests that I "hate" anyone - only that I have a different opinion as to the cause of homosexuality. I believe science would prove my opinions if not ham strung by the APA and other politically motivated activist groups who I believe do science and homosexuals themselves a grave disservice.

The people being ignorant and hateful in this thread are the ones attacking others for their views and attempting to discredit them rather than addressing these views objectively.
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
I imagine what gays really want is to be left alone to be themselves. Like everybody else as long as they reciprocate, they deserve to be left alone. It really is that simple.
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
I imagine what gays really want is to be left alone to be themselves. Like everybody else as long as they reciprocate, they deserve to be left alone. It really is that simple.
If that were true I would support them 100%. I think we all need more practice in the fine art of keeping one's business to ones self.

I am all for personal liberty in one's private life. When I object is when people demonstrates this narcissistic need to air their shit stained laundry in the public square in some pathetic effort to force everyone else to love them.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
Let's take a look at this 'study' Rick posted (no citation of who did the study, but hey, it is from 1978 so it must be a reliable indicator)....

75% reported 100+ partners.

17% reported 100-249
15% reported 250-499
17% reported 500-999
28% reported 1000+

28+17+15+17 = 77

Either someone is a homophobe quoting a study without citations who can't do math, or something is rotten in Denmark....

Also, if you are so against promiscuity, fine. Be against the behavior itself, don't use it as a reason to persecute gays. Because you know what? Promiscuity exists among heterosexuals too, you blithering fucktard.

Take your 1978 study and shove it up your ass, good sir.

By the way, upnorth2505 totally OWNED you with more relevant statistics than your 1978 bullshit. I bet you have since started looking into rest stops with glory holes in your area so you can get some gratification out of this thread...pathetic

Sorry for the insults everyone, a shot of gin is my worst enemy. Much less three



just because you are an apologetic drunk doesn't make it ok. you need to stop, please.
 

upnorth2505

New Member
just because you are an apologetic drunk doesn't make it ok. you need to stop, please.
Stop what? Defending his position? I am confused. This is politics. The point is to vigorously defend your position and, hopefully, give some of the more open minded folks some food for thought.

Although the title of the thread is "What do Gays Really Want?”, that was not the intent of the thread. The thread was specifically posted as an insult to me because laughingduck didn't like the idea of a gay guy (me) expressing an opinion. He told me he was sorry for starting the thread and did not expect it to go as far as it did. Kudos to laughingduck for manning up and understanding that what he posted was hurtful. But, I never wanted or asked for a sanction. Folks should be able to speak their mind.

That being said, when you or your beliefs are being attacked, your must vigorously defend yourself. Sometimes that might involve a counter attack. Despite what Rickwhite says, his views and posts would be viewed by most people as racist, misogynistic, and homophobic.

As much as I hate to hear people like this spew their hateful remarks, this is a political forum and they have a right to do so; just like I and others have not just a right, but an obligation to counter speech that could even motivate people to violence. I could almost imagine some younger teen reading a rickwhite or viredd post and going out to find some “queers” to beat the crap out of them--or worse. How about Matthew Sheppard?

Especially appalling was the post by Miss MeanWeed. The horrible attitude and condemnation of a poor 7 year old boy! In his/her words “the world’s biggest fag.” This poor kid needs love and compassion, not mean, snide remarks. If this portrayal was truthful, I sincerely hope that poor kid gets some help. At 7 years old, he is a much better person than either the mother or father.

I get so sick and tired of having to defend myself. Let any of these folks who “know it all” stand in my shoes and see what the discrimination is like: Not getting housing, losing a job, getting fired from a job, people recoiling in fear, being rejected by friends. And I consider myself lucky! Some gays and lesbians have it even worse! :shock: :cry:
 

ruderalis88

Well-Known Member
i couldn't be assed to read this whole thread but just to the original post, that's one of the most offensive and retarded things i've read in months

congratulations.
 

one11

Active Member
So, One11, I am rejected again!!!

You are so very cruel.

You have an incredibly narcissist thought process. Gosh, everyone, gay, str8, male, female, TS, whatever just can't resist you! Have you ever modeled?

Please, pleeeeeaaaase! Send me a picture of your totally hot bod with your massive 2" erection! :twisted: :twisted:

I know, there's really not enough of me to go around. Any male that likes cocks has something wrong in their brain. Daddy didnt give them enough attention when they were younger probably. When I have kids, and if its a boy, I'm giving him playboy's and hustlers when he hits 6.

and its 3", bitch.
 

upnorth2505

New Member
I know, there's really not enough of me to go around. Any male that likes cocks has something wrong in their brain. Daddy didnt give them enough attention when they were younger probably. When I have kids, and if its a boy, I'm giving him playboy's and hustlers when he hits 6.

and its 3", bitch.
You might want to stick to Playboy, since Hustler has pictures of cocks too. Even so, that wouldn't work. By six, it is determined for most which way they will go.

But I would worry too much. There is only a 5% chance or less that he will turn out gay. But if he did, hopefully you would do the right thing and give your boy the support and love he needs.
 

one11

Active Member
You might want to stick to Playboy, since Hustler has pictures of cocks too. Even so, that wouldn't work. By six, it is determined for most which way they will go.

But I would worry too much. There is only a 5% chance or less that he will turn out gay. But if he did, hopefully you would do the right thing and give your boy the support and love he needs.

Thank you so much. I'll start at 5 then. And I'm kind of like a Spartan. If they're weak, deformed, or gay, I toss em off a cliff.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
Stop what? Defending his position? I am confused. This is politics. The point is to vigorously defend your position and, hopefully, give some of the more open minded folks some food for thought.

Although the title of the thread is "What do Gays Really Want?&#8221;, that was not the intent of the thread. The thread was specifically posted as an insult to me because laughingduck didn't like the idea of a gay guy (me) expressing an opinion. He told me he was sorry for starting the thread and did not expect it to go as far as it did. Kudos to laughingduck for manning up and understanding that what he posted was hurtful. But, I never wanted or asked for a sanction. Folks should be able to speak their mind.

That being said, when you or your beliefs are being attacked, your must vigorously defend yourself. Sometimes that might involve a counter attack. Despite what Rickwhite says, his views and posts would be viewed by most people as racist, misogynistic, and homophobic.

As much as I hate to hear people like this spew their hateful remarks, this is a political forum and they have a right to do so; just like I and others have not just a right, but an obligation to counter speech that could even motivate people to violence. I could almost imagine some younger teen reading a rickwhite or viredd post and going out to find some &#8220;queers&#8221; to beat the crap out of them--or worse. How about Matthew Sheppard?

Especially appalling was the post by Miss MeanWeed. The horrible attitude and condemnation of a poor 7 year old boy! In his/her words &#8220;the world&#8217;s biggest fag.&#8221; This poor kid needs love and compassion, not mean, snide remarks. If this portrayal was truthful, I sincerely hope that poor kid gets some help. At 7 years old, he is a much better person than either the mother or father.

I get so sick and tired of having to defend myself. Let any of these folks who &#8220;know it all&#8221; stand in my shoes and see what the discrimination is like: Not getting housing, losing a job, getting fired from a job, people recoiling in fear, being rejected by friends. And I consider myself lucky! Some gays and lesbians have it even worse! :shock: :cry:

how about he stop telling people to shove shit up their asses. grow the fuck up and knock off the insults. you all appear to be 12. find me one thread in the politics section that doesn't have personal attacks and insult within 10 posts. stupid name calling shit that you'd find on a playground. this section is a joke and a mockery because of it all. that's why i play here all day. :)

the direct name calling and attacks need to stop. we have rules here. :fire:


thanks, everyone.

:weed:
 

RickWhite

Well-Known Member
Stop what? Defending his position? I am confused. This is politics. The point is to vigorously defend your position and, hopefully, give some of the more open minded folks some food for thought.

Although the title of the thread is "What do Gays Really Want?”, that was not the intent of the thread. The thread was specifically posted as an insult to me because laughingduck didn't like the idea of a gay guy (me) expressing an opinion. He told me he was sorry for starting the thread and did not expect it to go as far as it did. Kudos to laughingduck for manning up and understanding that what he posted was hurtful. But, I never wanted or asked for a sanction. Folks should be able to speak their mind.

That being said, when you or your beliefs are being attacked, your must vigorously defend yourself. Sometimes that might involve a counter attack. Despite what Rickwhite says, his views and posts would be viewed by most people as racist, misogynistic, and homophobic.

As much as I hate to hear people like this spew their hateful remarks, this is a political forum and they have a right to do so; just like I and others have not just a right, but an obligation to counter speech that could even motivate people to violence. I could almost imagine some younger teen reading a rickwhite or viredd post and going out to find some “queers” to beat the crap out of them--or worse. How about Matthew Sheppard?

Especially appalling was the post by Miss MeanWeed. The horrible attitude and condemnation of a poor 7 year old boy! In his/her words “the world’s biggest fag.” This poor kid needs love and compassion, not mean, snide remarks. If this portrayal was truthful, I sincerely hope that poor kid gets some help. At 7 years old, he is a much better person than either the mother or father.

I get so sick and tired of having to defend myself. Let any of these folks who “know it all” stand in my shoes and see what the discrimination is like: Not getting housing, losing a job, getting fired from a job, people recoiling in fear, being rejected by friends. And I consider myself lucky! Some gays and lesbians have it even worse! :shock: :cry:
You do a lot of over simplifying and you convolute issues.

It sounds like the crux of what you are saying is that everyone should say that which pleases you. And if they don't, their words should be labeled hateful and bigoted.

It also seems that just disagreeing about what causes homosexuality makes some people bigots when their take on the issue doesn't match yours.

Furthermore, if I'm reading this right, you are claiming that merely suggesting that environment is one possible cause of homosexuality is tantamount to encouraging violence against gays. And you compare holding such ideas with personal attacks.

I am sorry if my take on the truth hurts your feelings. But the validity of what I am saying isn't determined by how it makes you feel. And just because what I say hurts your feelings doesn't make it hateful.

Neither you, nor anyone else here can find a single incidence of me saying anything attacking the character of gay people or advocating their harm or defamation.

Quite the contrary, I believe that the best way to do good by people is through true understanding. Often, this involves saying what people don't necessarily want to hear. That is pretty much always the case in life. And while I can understand the intention and the thought process of organizations like the APA, I think they are misguided.

There are a lot of people in this world who are this way or that through no fault of their own. Whether the causes of homosexuality are genetic, environmental, or a combination there of, is not even necessarily important.

The fallacy with regard to this question is in how people perceive notions of "fault" and "nature." The argument is that if the causes are genetic, it isn't the fault of the individual. But, if the cause was childhood trauma, it wouldn't be the fault of the child either.

The second part comes from the fallacy of "Naturalism." This is the belief that if something is natural it is necessarily good and healthy.

Therefore, when someone advocates naturalism as the cause you perceive it as if they are saying you are good and healthy and when they do not, you perceive it as them saying you are bad and unhealthy. That is the only reason people call my views hateful and bigoted instead of merely as an objective opinion which it is.

The argument that that which is natural is good and healthy is a bad one. Down Syndrome is a genetic condition which is not healthy. And goodness of the person is a whole other matter.

There are a lot of messed up people in the world and Gays are no different. It is much healthier for people to accept that they are messed up and come to terms with it than to spend your entire life in denial and to try to force others to get on board with it.

Those who blindly tell you what you want to hear just so you can feel good about yourself are not doing you any favors and they are not your friends.

So, you are gay - so what. Why do you find it necessary to constantly seek out approval from others? Why do you feel that we should change the ideals of society just to validate your self image.

And for that matter, who is next? What if prostitutes all got together and demanded that the public change their views on prostitution? After all, aren't they people too and don't they deserve the same rights as you do? You do know it is the worlds oldest profession right? How about a little respect for this natural treasure?

I've said it before. I think gays should have the same rights as everyone else and ought not to be harassed or treated unfairly. But, I do not believe that society ought to hold it up as one of our great ideals. Quite Frankly, I don't know why you feel this is necessary in order for you to feel validated. If anything is a shortcoming on your part, it is that more so than your sexual preference.
 

ChChoda

Well-Known Member
They seem rather hateful and bitter, it might be all the shit packin they do.
(What do gays really want? :wink:)

A very, pointed, dictum.... it hits, at the core, of the subject, however.... one must have a very restrictive, and negligible, diet, in order to allow cocks, to plunge, ones ass.... denying oneself food, might, make one be-
come, bitter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, But where does the hateful part, come,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, from?
 

upnorth2505

New Member
You do a lot of over simplifying and you convolute issues.

It sounds like the crux of what you are saying is that everyone should say that which pleases you. And if they don't, their words should be labeled hateful and bigoted.

It also seems that just disagreeing about what causes homosexuality makes some people bigots when their take on the issue doesn't match yours.

Furthermore, if I'm reading this right, you are claiming that merely suggesting that environment is one possible cause of homosexuality is tantamount to encouraging violence against gays. And you compare holding such ideas with personal attacks.

I am sorry if my take on the truth hurts your feelings. But the validity of what I am saying isn't determined by how it makes you feel. And just because what I say hurts your feelings doesn't make it hateful.

Neither you, nor anyone else here can find a single incidence of me saying anything attacking the character of gay people or advocating their harm or defamation.

Quite the contrary, I believe that the best way to do good by people is through true understanding. Often, this involves saying what people don't necessarily want to hear. That is pretty much always the case in life. And while I can understand the intention and the thought process of organizations like the APA, I think they are misguided.

There are a lot of people in this world who are this way or that through no fault of their own. Whether the causes of homosexuality are genetic, environmental, or a combination there of, is not even necessarily important.

The fallacy with regard to this question is in how people perceive notions of "fault" and "nature." The argument is that if the causes are genetic, it isn't the fault of the individual. But, if the cause was childhood trauma, it wouldn't be the fault of the child either.

The second part comes from the fallacy of "Naturalism." This is the belief that if something is natural it is necessarily good and healthy.

Therefore, when someone advocates naturalism as the cause you perceive it as if they are saying you are good and healthy and when they do not, you perceive it as them saying you are bad and unhealthy. That is the only reason people call my views hateful and bigoted instead of merely as an objective opinion which it is.

The argument that that which is natural is good and healthy is a bad one. Down Syndrome is a genetic condition which is not healthy. And goodness of the person is a whole other matter.

There are a lot of messed up people in the world and Gays are no different. It is much healthier for people to accept that they are messed up and come to terms with it than to spend your entire life in denial and to try to force others to get on board with it.

Those who blindly tell you what you want to hear just so you can feel good about yourself are not doing you any favors and they are not your friends.

So, you are gay - so what. Why do you find it necessary to constantly seek out approval from others? Why do you feel that we should change the ideals of society just to validate your self image.

And for that matter, who is next? What if prostitutes all got together and demanded that the public change their views on prostitution? After all, aren't they people too and don't they deserve the same rights as you do? You do know it is the worlds oldest profession right? How about a little respect for this natural treasure?

I've said it before. I think gays should have the same rights as everyone else and ought not to be harassed or treated unfairly. But, I do not believe that society ought to hold it up as one of our great ideals. Quite Frankly, I don't know why you feel this is necessary in order for you to feel validated. If anything is a shortcoming on your part, it is that more so than your sexual preference.
Rick, you can use your pholosophical arguements all day. Fact is you can use its constructs to justify almost any action or inaction.


Let's say for example, a minority group was receiving a disproportionate share of society’s resources: More and better food, superior housing, better education, more money.

Let’s say they used their money power and position in society to restrict the majority’s access to better jobs, better education, and a better way of life.

Furthermore, let’s say that this minority group was never happy with its geographical boundaries and would use any means possible to get more and more land by using force to steal it from others.

Anyone could use some fancy philosophical argument to justify the majority taking radical means to correct what is clearly an unfair situation. For example, the minority could be rounded up, sent to concentration camps, gassed to death, and have their bodies burned in ovens. This would be done until that group ceased to be a problem.

It would be very unfortunate if this happened to a minority group you belong to Rick. :hug:
 
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