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ViRedd

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Who really cares?

By Thomas Sowell


Tuesday, November 28, 2006


More frightening than any particular beliefs or policies is an utter lack of any sense of a need to test those beliefs and policies against hard evidence. Mistakes can be corrected by those who pay attention to facts but dogmatism will not be corrected by those who are wedded to a vision.
One of the most pervasive political visions of our time is the vision of liberals as compassionate and conservatives as less caring. It is liberals who advocate "forgiveness" of loans to Third World countries, a "living wage" for the poor and a "safety net" for all.

But these are all government policies -- not individual acts of compassion -- and the actual empirical consequences of such policies are of remarkably little interest to those who advocate them. Depending on what those consequences are, there may be good reasons to oppose them, so being for or against these policies may tell us nothing about who is compassionate or caring and who is not.

A new book, titled "Who Really Cares" by Arthur C. Brooks examines the actual behavior of liberals and conservatives when it comes to donating their own time, money, or blood for the benefit of others. It is remarkable that beliefs on this subject should have become conventional, if not set in concrete, for decades before anyone bothered to check these beliefs against facts.

What are those facts?

People who identify themselves as conservatives donate money to charity more often than people who identify themselves as liberals. They donate more money and a higher percentage of their incomes.
It is not that conservatives have more money. Liberal families average 6 percent higher incomes than conservative families.

You may recall a flap during the 2000 election campaign when the fact came out that Al Gore donated a smaller percentage of his income to charity than the national average. That was perfectly consistent with his liberalism.

So is the fact that most of the states that voted for John Kerry during the 2004 election donated a lower percentage of their incomes to charity than the states that voted for George W. Bush.
Conservatives not only donate more money to charity than liberals do, conservatives volunteer more time as well. More conservatives than liberals also donate blood.

According to Professor Brooks: "If liberals and moderates gave blood at the same rate as conservatives, the blood supply of the United States would jump about 45 percent."

Professor Brooks admits that the facts he uncovered were the opposite of what he expected to find -- so much so that he went back and checked these facts again, to make sure there was no mistake.

What is the reason why some people are liberals and others are conservatives, if it is not that liberals are more compassionate?
Fundamental differences in ideology go back to fundamental assumptions about human nature. Based on one set of assumptions, it makes perfect sense to be a liberal. Based on a different set of assumptions, it makes perfect sense to be a conservative.

The two visions are not completely symmetrical, however. For at least two centuries, the vision of the left has included a belief that those with that vision are morally superior, more caring and more compassionate.
While both sides argue that their opponents are mistaken, those on the left have declared their opponents to be not merely in error but morally flawed as well. So the idea that liberals are more caring and compassionate goes with the territory, whether or not it fits the facts.

Those on the left proclaimed their moral superiority in the 18th century and they continue to proclaim it in the 21st century. What is remarkable is how long it took for anyone to put that belief to the test -- and how completely it failed that test.

The two visions are different in another way. The vision of the left exalts the young especially as idealists while the more conservative vision warns against the narrowness and shallowness of the inexperienced. This study found young liberals to make the least charitable contributions of all, whether in money, time or blood. Idealism in words is not idealism in deeds.


Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of Basic Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy.Be the first to read Thomas Sowell's column. Sign up today and receive Townhall.com delivered each morning to your inbox. Sign up today!

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medicineman

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Anyone can google this crap and make their point in either direction, just because you post something does not make it so! I don't see a lot of scientific fact in this post. You posted about a week ago that rich liberals in San Francisco donated less per capita than poor conservatives trying to make a point about conservatives being more generous than liberals, but also by mistake I'm sure, showing that the poor give more than the rich, no matter their political affiliation!
 

ViRedd

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The point was that poor CONSERVATIVES give more than rich LIBERALS. This is a fact now proven, Med. Live with the liberal lies if you want to ... but those lies don't hold water.

"The two visions are not completely symmetrical, however. For at least two centuries, the vision of the left has included a belief that those with that vision are morally superior, more caring and more compassionate.
While both sides argue that their opponents are mistaken, those on the left have declared their opponents to be not merely in error but morally flawed as well. So the idea that liberals are more caring and compassionate goes with the territory, whether or not it fits the facts."




Vi
 

medicineman

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The point was that poor CONSERVATIVES give more than rich LIBERALS. This is a fact now proven, Med. Live with the liberal lies if you want to ... but those lies don't hold water.
Do you get the poor thing? all those rich folk in San Fran couldn't be liberals, but they could be rich. as all those poor folks aren't conservatives either, but they are poor. The gist of my venue was the rich are stingier than the poor, you proved it yourself, thank you!
 

ViRedd

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Nope, the more well off Consevatives give more than the well off libbies too. And by the way, its against city laws for conservatives to live in San Francisco. Thought you knew that already.

Vi
 

Resinman

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Hello Vi Redd

I was wondering,,,, if you would be able to..... pay back the money i lent you last christmas,,,,with that high of an interest rate i am worried you will never pay,,or be able to catch up,,,,


happy holidays

resinman
 

Resinman

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actually nothing surprises me,,,,

What are those facts? the book and this fellow from the land of academia

i wonder how he came about his so called facts,,,,how he derived at the numbers,,,what was included


its so easy to slant things,,,,when you are called professor


The conservatives have always been known to be more generous,,,they like to provide all forms of welfare


resinman
 

VictorVIcious

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Not true. They don't like to provide the kind of welfare that goes thru government channels. The inefficiency of government programs, the red tape that goes with them, and the new buracracy that results are the reasons. They don't like the idea that develops that there is no reason to do for yourself when ' the government' will do it for you.
 

Resinman

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then who are they,,,because its not bush


bush has expanded corporate welfare like 5 fold,,,,created numerous agencys and millions of pages of red tape,,,,the fema fiasco,,,and homeland security,,,bureaurcracy up thy ass



so they,,,is just that,,,,they does not exist at present


the conservative you mention is just a theory or pipe dream


never has existed

resinman
 

ViRedd

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Resin ...

You are confusing Bush as a conservative. Bush is no conservative ... he is a socialist in conservative clothing.

Victor has it right. True conservatives do not trust government with money. Government throws good money after bad, wastes way too much and the majority of the money never gets to the intended recipient. An excellent example of this is FEMA.

Vi
 

medicineman

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Wow Bush bashing by Vi. Now there's something you don't see very often, Hey, Maybe we have more in common than I thought, Merry Christmas you old hardass, BTW my psychic tells me I'm gonna get rich just as soon as I send her 43.00 in the mail, what do you think, should I go for it? I keep telling her I'll give her 5% of all my unexpected windfalls, just send me my lucky KENO #s. We've been at this Mexican standoff for a couple months now, It's gettin interesting, now she has given my name to another psychic, The Amazing Kreskin. He sees my riches growing in leaps and bounds for only 20.00, I gave him the same proposition, Show me the Money and I'll give you 5%. Are these people for real, come on now Vi, what does your psychic have to say
 

ViRedd

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My phycic tells me that its time for dinner. But more to the point, I don't believe in fairy tales. The only hand that's ever helped me is at the end of my arm. And, calling Bush out on his non-conservatism isn't bashing the guy, its just telling the truth. Had he been a conservative, the Democrats wouldn't have taken both houses back. In fact, they would still be wandering the wilderness. *lol*

Vi
 

medicineman

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My phycic tells me that its time for dinner. But more to the point, I don't believe in fairy tales. The only hand that's ever helped me is at the end of my arm. And, calling Bush out on his non-conservatism isn't bashing the guy, its just telling the truth. Had he been a conservative, the Democrats wouldn't have taken both houses back. In fact, they would still be wandering the wilderness. *lol*

Vi
Just what the hell is Bush if not a conservative, he calls himself a "compassionate conservative" Of course I know his spending is not conservative except in one area, Social programs!
 

ViRedd

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Just what the hell is Bush if not a conservative, he calls himself a "compassionate conservative" Of course I know his spending is not conservative except in one area, Social programs![/quote]

Med ... get a grip, man. If you think Bush is a conservative, then you need more help than I thought. Damn, exactly how far left are you?

Oh by the way, have you done any research on the social programs that Bush has supported?

Vi
 

medicineman

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Just what the hell is Bush if not a conservative, he calls himself a "compassionate conservative" Of course I know his spending is not conservative except in one area, Social programs![/quote]

Med ... get a grip, man. If you think Bush is a conservative, then you need more help than I thought. Damn, exactly how far left are you?

Oh by the way, have you done any research on the social programs that Bush has supported?

Vi
I thought he was your Man. Seems like you like all his other bullshit, wars and such, tax cuts for the rich, you know all the good old boy shit. I guess he didn't cut enough taxes for ya eh!
 

ViRedd

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"I thought he was your Man. Seems like you like all his other bullshit, wars and such, tax cuts for the rich, you know all the good old boy shit. I guess he didn't cut enough taxes for ya eh!"

Do you take the time to read my posts, Med? I have repeatedly said that I do not support Bush or the Republicans. I've also said that I consider the Democratic Party to be the more dangerous of the two parties.

You constantly post from emotion and let your lack of intellect betray you. Honestly Med ... if you can't keep up with the discussions, why not go somewhere else?

Vi
 

medicineman

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You constantly post from emotion and let your lack of intellect betray you. Honestly Med ... if you can't keep up with the discussions, why not go somewhere else?

I'm not leavin, you old reprobate, get used to it. If you want to be an ass, then I'll treat you like an ass. You never answer any questions, just like a rich republican you answer with a question. You are playing out of an asshole playbook and expect me to cave to your every post. well get used to the fact that you don't intimidate me in the least. I've dealt with greater men than you and survived and the "fact" that you may be wealthy does not frighten me in the least. If anything, it allows me to see the real you. a selfish, self-centered, greedy fuck, who cares little to none about humanity, and who's only goal is to make more money. It is the money thing that is going to send you to hell, repent you hypocrite, repent! BTW if you ever decide to be civil, let me know, as I can be as civil, (even to you) as the next guy!
 
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