Wetting Agent for Peat Based Soiless Media?

OneMoreRip

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You ever run 100 plants in a sealed room with a CO2 generator, and 18 HLG lights before?
never have, but if I did, I would set it up so the the plants ~dictate the watering (automatic, bottom feeding), Auto pot, wick irrigation, sips or similar. Never put any thought into it, no need obviously

I for sure would not be using dish soap on my plants if I had that kinda setup.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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never have, but if I did, I would set it up so the the plants ~dictate the watering (automatic, bottom feeding), Auto pot, wick irrigation, sips or similar. Never put any thought into it, no need obviously

I for sure would not be using dish soap on my plants if I had that kinda setup.
I've been through a few soil groups. I like C25 because its the best I've found at being PH stable. I have a pretty expensive PH meter that I use everyday. This is just a caveat to C25, and I really don't think that (if it works) that adding 1 drop per 5 gallons is going to hurt anything. I've pulled nearly dead plants back to life by feeding in at 11.5 PH feed (other soils like BM7 during a ph crash) to correct 5.1 PH soil. Sounds extreme, but it works, and I've done it to 100's of plants. I like to experiment. ..and if this works without hurting anything, then why not?

Watering slowly helps too.
I do.. I crank down the valve to a light shower in the 7 gallon pots.. it does help. But having 600 gallons of waste feed go down the drain is killing me.
 

PadawanWarrior

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I've been through a few soil groups. I like C25 because its the best I've found at being PH stable. I have a pretty expensive PH meter that I use everyday. This is just a caveat to C25, and I really don't think that (if it works) that adding 1 drop per 5 gallons is going to hurt anything. I've pulled nearly dead plants back to life by feeding in at 11.5 PH feed (other soils like BM7 during a ph crash) to correct 5.1 PH soil. Sounds extreme, but it works, and I've done it to 100's of plants. I like to experiment. ..and if this works without hurting anything, then why not?


I do.. I crank down the valve to a light shower in the 7 gallon pots.. it does help. But having 600 gallons of waste feed go down the drain is killing me.
If you find a decent wetting agent you'll probably save some money for sure.
 

NanoGadget

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so I am pretty new to peat based growing (about a year and a half) and all I've used is promix hp. I know hydrophobic medium is a real thing, but have never experienced it even after letting it get very dry. Perhaps they add a wetting agent I am unaware of?
 

m4s73r

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Lowes, bottom shelf. Aloe plant is around 4.99 per plant. Up pot them to the next size up pot. Little jumps. Put in a bright place that gets lots of indirect sun. water lightly every 2 weeks. One 5" leaf can do proly 40-50 gallons.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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so I am pretty new to peat based growing (about a year and a half) and all I've used is promix hp. I know hydrophobic medium is a real thing, but have never experienced it even after letting it get very dry. Perhaps they add a wetting agent I am unaware of?
Possibly... I've never used ProMix because I like to start with a clean slate. C25 has zero amendments. I know that when I transplant my clones from the cloner, I can start feeding them at 1000 ppm and not worry about burning them. I like that I can stay on the gas and feed every time without plain water breaks.
 

Milky Weed

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Possibly... I've never used ProMix because I like to start with a clean slate. C25 has zero amendments. I know that when I transplant my clones from the cloner, I can start feeding them at 1000 ppm and not worry about burning them.
Pro mix bx is pretty inert. I had to start feeding within 7 days from seed, only perlite and peat in it. It has mycorrhiza and whetting agent built in they also make one with a bio fungicide to keep some of the nastier fungi from ever getting a hold only the good trich inocculant can flourish.

These do get abit if fuzzy mold on them from the mycorrhizae so if that bothers you ide avoid it.
 

MoroccanRoll

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so I have heard. Regardless of what it’s called, is there somewhere I can see water with soap (or any ‘wetting agent’), making something wet that water alone would not make wet?

sounds like snake oil with blue dye and whatever else is in it (in dawn’s case), to me.
Wetting depends on the comparative surface energy of the liquid and the substrate. If the substrate has a higher surface energy than the liquid, in this case water, the water will flow and "wet" the surface. If the substrate - in our case, peat - has a lower surface energy than water, the water will bead up and will not wet the surface.

There are two ways to make the water "wet" the surface. One, increase the surface energy of the substrate. In industrial processes, this is often accomplished by etching the surface using a chemical or a corona or plasma discharge. Kinda tough to do on peat. Two, reduce the surface energy of the water. This is why people add wetting agents to the water.

I can give you a perfect example to show you how to use soap to make water wet something. sprinkle a few drops of water on the surface of a freshly waxed car. The water will bead up and roll off the surface. Next, take the tiniest bit of soap and touch one of the water beads. The bead will instantly flatten and wet the surface. If you don't have a freshly waxed car, you can cut a piece out of a polypropylene milk jug and do the same test. LDP or low density polypropylene is a low surface energy plastic. Make sure the pastic is super clean.

Wetting agent for grow media? Dr. Bronners liquid soap. Reduces the surface energy of the water. Readily available, organic, effective and cheap. I like the peppermint - makes your balls minty in the morning.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Pro mix bx is pretty inert. I had to start feeding within 7 days from seed, only perlite and peat in it. It has mycorrhiza and whetting agent built in they also make one with a bio fungicide to keep some of the nastier fungi from ever getting a hold only the good trich inocculant can flourish.

These do get abit if fuzzy mold on them from the mycorrhizae so if that bothers you ide avoid it.
Yeah... esp around here. Soil may be sitting around for months before you buy it. I got a friend who owns a commercial nursery, and he orders it when I need it.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Wetting depends on the comparative surface energy of the liquid and the substrate. If the substrate has a higher surface energy than the liquid, in this case water, the water will flow and "wet" the surface. If the substrate - in our case, peat - has a lower surface energy than water, the water will bead up and will not wet the surface.

There are two ways to make the water "wet" the surface. One, increase the surface energy of the substrate. In industrial processes, this is often accomplished by etching the surface using a chemical or a corona or plasma discharge. Kinda tough to do on peat. Two, reduce the surface energy of the water. This is why people add wetting agents to the water.

I can give you a perfect example to show you how to use soap to make water wet something. sprinkle a few drops of water on the surface of a freshly waxed car. The water will bead up and roll off the surface. Next, take the tiniest bit of soap and touch one of the water beads. The bead will instantly flatten and wet the surface. If you don't have a freshly waxed car, you can cut a piece out of a polypropylene milk jug and do the same test. LDP or low density polypropylene is a low surface energy plastic. Make sure the pastic is super clean.

Wetting agent for grow media? Dr. Bronners liquid soap. Reduces the surface energy of the water. Readily available, organic, effective and cheap. I like the peppermint - makes your balls minty in the morning.
Awesome!.... this may be what Im looking for!
 

hotrodharley

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Gonna experiment with the clones with Dawn. I can't spend $900 a month for Yucca Wet, especially in this current market,... which kinda sucks.
A wetting agent is a wetting agent. Dawn or even liquid laundry detergent. We use that in perlite concrete specifically because it's low sudsing.
 

PeatPhreak

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I use peat exclusively. A wetting agent isn't necessary. Water to get runoff 15x a month.

And you don't need to use the Bugbee method either. Sunshine #4 is good to go straight out of the bale after adding a little extra perlite.

Peat holds 20 times it's weight in water and releases it more slowly than coco.
 
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Guru96

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Best I have used has been Roots Organics Big Swell, or Hygeia's Hydration from Nectar for the Gods.
 
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