Well looks like I have broad/russet mites. Tips, advice, your personal experiences with them please

NugHeuser

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So about 3 weeks ago, some of my, now month old plants started showing slight signs of heat/light stress. It gradually worsened as I worked and worked to try to fix it. Had my cmh's as high as 4 feet at one point, and my temps dont get any higher than 85 degrees. so I thought maybe my malibu pie and alien rift were just finicky. Now they're to the point that all are showing these signs and become extremely droopy toward the end of the 18 hr light cycle but return to being slightly perky by the time I'm home from work about 5 hours into the light cycle, some are looking pretty nasty. I haven't been scoping them until two nights ago because I had thought that the chances of plants that small being over ridden by mites that quickly when I didn't have them on my last grow were slim to none. So two nights ago I plucked a lower leaf off of one of the worst plants and as soon as I took a look there were several tiny oval shaped cream-ish colored things hanging out right by where all the veins meet, where the mites are said to hangout. I was in disbelief and knew this wasn't good, after about 10 minutes. I tried getting a look with a cheap ass microscope, 80x and 200x, with no luck(junk). When I looked back again with the 60x loupe, I looked pretty diligently and what I had saw 20 minutes prior was mostly gone, then I finally found one more oval shaped light colored speck, much too small to tell what it was, just like all the ones i had just saw prior, and so small that I couldn't tell if it was moving.
So I held onto the last bit of hope lastnight that it's from too high of temps or too strong of light, raised the lights another few inches, over 3 feet at this point, cranked up the a/c and left the door open overnight to try keeping temps as low as possible. This morning, droopy as fuck, again. The temps, about 73 degrees 30 minutes before the lights go out.
So that killed my last bit of hope that it was heat stress.
So at this point I think it's pretty apparent that I have tiny pests that I can not see. After I get off work I'm going to order a 100x loupe and start looking around for best method and product for ridding these.
I'm asking for any tips, pointers, advice, your own personal expeirence dealing with these, if you have ever had them that is, ect. I know a little about them just from the growweedeasy page and some YouTube videos.
I'm specifically curious about using malothion because I've heard that these are so ruthless and also that malothion is some seriously strong stuff. But I also know people talk about malothion being dangerous. On the contrary my dad told me that when we were kids he used it in our house when we had fleas real bad and said that as long as you get out asap after you spray and wear a respirator and let it dry and the place air out, that it's safe. A close relative used this stuff on their plants back in the day and said you wont even see a single insect with several feet of your plants after spraying it, and they never did have any problems with pest throughout their growing days (outdoors), they said the big thing is to use it only during veg, and only once or twice.
So if anyone has opinions on that or suggestions of their own or anything, by all means let's hear it.
Much appreciated:peace:
 

NugHeuser

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Don't know about that stuff. Forbid4F is a sure thing. Not for use in flower.
Okay. So this Forbid4F, is it something that you can get away with applying just a few times to wipe them all out?

It seemed like the one YouTube video the guy said he would have to continue to spray for months to completely wipe them out, even after the plants are gone, still treating the grow room. Is that actually how it is or is that going a little over board?
 

Bugeye

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Okay. So this Forbid4F, is it something that you can get away with applying just a few times to wipe them all out?

It seemed like the one YouTube video the guy said he would have to continue to spray for months to completely wipe them out, even after the plants are gone, still treating the grow room. Is that actually how it is or is that going a little over board?
One treatment. Gone in a few days. Systemic.
 

NugHeuser

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Very expensive, check eBay for purchasing a single treatment or two, probably less than $20.
Yeah I just looked into it. I'm seeing pricing on Amazon, 45 bucks for one ounce. Surely that should be enough, how much do you mix?

Also it was only available on Amazon through "third party", seemed a little sketchy just because I've never seen that before on amazon.

200 bucks for 8 ounces on a different website and 25 bucks on eBay, I didn't look to see how much comes with it on eBay though
 

NugHeuser

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Searching for it I also stumbled upon a thread on another site with someone asking about that product, was lots of good info on there, people seemed to be pretty happy with the stuff.

I currently have neem oil and spinosad but I'm worried that may not be strong enough. Maybe I'm wrong. It was just this two part video of a couple with a large facility grow that I saw on YouTube, and they became infested with them late into flower and they made it out to sound soooooo bad to have these specific type of mites. I believe they actually even scrapped their vegging plants so that's what's had me sweating bullets over the ordeal
 

Bugeye

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Yeah I just looked into it. I'm seeing pricing on Amazon, 45 bucks for one ounce. Surely that should be enough, how much do you mix?

Also it was only available on Amazon through "third party", seemed a little sketchy just because I've never seen that before on amazon.

200 bucks for 8 ounces on a different website and 25 bucks on eBay, I didn't look to see how much comes with it on eBay though
I forget dosage, maybe a ml or two per gallon. A little goes a long way. Forget neem and spino, waste of time.
 

bigsteve

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I use Sevin dust as my insecticide. Comes in a container that allows you to shake out as much as you want. So it is easy to use. It has no effect on plants or animals. In fact, When I was a vet tech. at UCLA Sevin dust was approved for use even when it came in to direct contact with the animals. Available at Wal-Mart and is cheap.

Good luck, BigSteve.
 

NugHeuser

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hey do you have any pictures of your plants and the damage?
I'm in bed now but I'll take a pic tomorrow morning before the lights go off, that's when they're at their worst. And I'll post a pic when the lights come back on tomorrow. It's pretty strange how to go from looking like they've been beat with a baseball bat to halfway perky on a daily bases. Ever heard of that before or is that a typical sign of mites?
 

legalcanada

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no i'm not familiar really with mites damage and i've heard a lot of mixed reports thats why i'd like to see some confirmed russet mite damage myself... you already scoped them?

i heard guardian mite spray is super effective but it was advertising as organic but contained hidden pesticides lmao, was super effective though !
 

NugHeuser

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I need something stronger than my 60x before I know for sure. What I was seeing was so small that I could just see creamish white oval shaped specks so that's all I'm going off, that and the issues my plants are having are symtoms I've read to be from those type of mites

The mite that the arrow is pointing to in the pic is exactly what I was seeing, but just so small that it was just a speck through the loupe
 

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NugHeuser

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Here's pics an hour before lights went out.
They didn't look as rough this morning as they did yesterday but still not looking good.
A lot are showing deficiencies because they've been in their original pot of ffof for about 4 weeks now. I'm transplanting the rest that I have yet to do today.
I also just ordered a 60 to 120x handheld scope and chose the one day shipping so I will know for fact tomorrow if I have mites
Also these symptoms are shown regardless of how wet, dry or or between that the soil is so I know it's not a watering issue.
 

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NugHeuser

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Well I started scoping my plants and I found this relatively quick, but couldn't find another thing that looked like it on the rest of the plant.

Is this a spider mite sitting next to a couple sacks of eggs?? That is with 60x magnification.
 

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NugHeuser

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Actually I just googled some spider, broad, and russet mite pics. Looks like a spitting image of a russet mite. Also I can see it with the naked eye. I can't make out the legs or anything but I can see it sitting there.
It's sitting on the top of a leaf at mid level, exposed to light. Not moving either.
It looks like a russet mite to me but I'm a noob, what do you guys think?

The attached picture is a googled image of russet mites
 

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