Week before Harvest, she stopped drinking water & curled up and died

MoneyCount

MoneyCount

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Brick Top said:
Actually is sounded like it happened over at least two days. He or she wrote; "Watering fine, next day still wet, didn't water, next day dead from the top down, curled and brown." If you notice there were two next days mentioned and there likely was something going on well before that but it just hadn't reached a point where there were visible signs yet.


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Yeah.....but that drastic that fast? No tips burnt.No wilting.No info. Help us ...help you! Two days sounds fast to just die like that.Dont ya think?
 
Brick Top

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MoneyCount said:
Yeah.....but that drastic that fast? No tips burnt.No wilting.No info. Help us ...help you! Two days sounds fast.
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It it was fusarium wilt that is a fungus that travels up the inside the plant, the toxins spread to uninfected areas and cause a clogging effect internally. When there finally are visible signs it looks as if the plant is dry and had no water to parts of the plant, even if they get plenty of water.

It normally happens in warm moist areas, like the Southern U.S., but can and will happen indoors if it manages to be brought in by air/breeze or by an animal or even a person or if plants are taken outdoors and then brought back inside.

It is not the most likely cause but it is something that does not show many signs of a problem until death is just about imminent.

It is a pathogen that was created and released by the U.S. government to kill cannabis plants. If a plant that is infected produces seeds they are pretty much worthless because it clings to the seeds and after germination it kills the seedlings in a way that appears to be damping off disease.
 
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If you still have the plant cut the stem lengthwise and inspect the inside. If you see black and brown lines running in all directions, then it might very well be fusarium wilt. If not, then it is something else.

Did you trim your plant recently, do you do LST or was there any accidental damage, even minor, like a scuff or a cut on a stem or a small branch broken off? Was there any yellowish discoloration on the lower part of the stem? Is there anything else you can add that might be a clue? No matter how minor it might seem, it could be a clue.
 
MoneyCount

MoneyCount

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Brick Top said:
If you still have the plant cut the stem lengthwise and inspect the inside. If you see black and brown lines running in all directions, then it might very well be fusarium wilt. If not, then it is something else.

Did you trim your plant recently, do you do LST or was there any accidental damage, even minor, like a scuff or a cut on a stem or a small branch broken off? Was there any yellowish discoloration on the lower part of the stem? Is there anything else you can add that might be a clue? No matter how minor it might seem, it could be a clue.
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Says it was a week before harvest. Could it have just been dying of natural causes? Sounds good! Hehe :)
 
MoneyCount

MoneyCount

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It is heading toward the end of it's cycle,and therefor it is dying naturally.A week before harvest thats what it's doing. So the way I see it....yours does.
 
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MoneyCount said:
It is heading toward the end of it's cycle,and therefor it is dying naturally.A week before harvest thats what it's doing. So the way I see it....yours does.
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Without pictures of the plants to see it is impossible to guess their exact condition but what he described happening is not the natural end to a cannabis plant's life. Even if he grew them well past maturity it would still be a slower more gradual ending. Something, other than 'old age,' had to bring about the plant's demise.

Based on the plant not taking in any more moisture the odds are best that something attacked/destroyed the plant's vascular system cutting off the plant's ability to take in moisture. That limits the possibilities of what the cause could be. If it is a repeat event then it could be something in the area, in a grow room, that will keep causing it to happen unless something is done to get rid of it. The fungus I mentioned will, once in an area, keep haunting someone unless the person can get rid of it. It is not the most common thing, and I am not saying it has to be the answer, but given the description of the plant's demise it has to be considered to be a possibility. The same applies to a canker. What it does to plants will cause the same sort of death if not caught and taken care of early. It would be less likely too be the cause because there are more visible signs earlier, but that still does not rule it out. People can miss early signs and by the time they do see something occurring they can be mistaken to have other causes and if they are treated, or worse yet, ignored, the person will soon be standing over a hole and singing "Abide With Me" as they fill in the grave.

Multiple clear pictures taken at different levels with closeups and taken from different angles would have been helpful but since we do not have them all we can do it play Sherlock Holmes and attempt to use deductive reasoning and connect the dots of what is known and use them to eliminate what is not possible and whatever remains, no matter how improbable, has to be the answer. Doing so is not always easy, but in this case it is all anyone has to work with.
 
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Thanks so much for everyone's input. Unfortunately, I don't have any of the plants around anymore. I got rid of everything right away so I could start the decontamination process. I definitely should have done a better job of photo documenting this bad scene...hopefully, it won't happen again. Because of the lack of visible symptoms until it was too late, I think Mr. Ganja maybe right. The fungus he mentions fits the description of what happened. Any thoughts on the best way to go about decontamination. I've bleached everything and am getting new pots.
I did spark up one of the buds. It smelled pretty good, but was definitely a little smaller than normal and it fizzed/snapped (no it wasn't a seed) when I lit it. Not good. Do you think there's any problem using them for bubble hash? Would be nice to salvage something out of this.

Mr Ganja, thanks for all your info. You're like the plant detective!

P.S. I'm a chick.
 
MoneyCount

MoneyCount

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Brick Top said:
Without pictures of the plants to see it is impossible to guess their exact condition but what he described happening is not the natural end to a cannabis plant's life. Even if he grew them well past maturity it would still be a slower more gradual ending. Something, other than 'old age,' had to bring about the plant's demise.

Based on the plant not taking in any more moisture the odds are best that something attacked/destroyed the plant's vascular system cutting off the plant's ability to take in moisture. That limits the possibilities of what the cause could be. If it is a repeat event then it could be something in the area, in a grow room, that will keep causing it to happen unless something is done to get rid of it. The fungus I mentioned will, once in an area, keep haunting someone unless the person can get rid of it. It is not the most common thing, and I am not saying it has to be the answer, but given the description of the plant's demise it has to be considered to be a possibility. The same applies to a canker. What it does to plants will cause the same sort of death if not caught and taken care of early. It would be less likely too be the cause because there are more visible signs earlier, but that still does not rule it out. People can miss early signs and by the time they do see something occurring they can be mistaken to have other causes and if they are treated, or worse yet, ignored, the person will soon be standing over a hole and singing "Abide With Me" as they fill in the grave.

Multiple clear pictures taken at different levels with closeups and taken from different angles would have been helpful but since we do not have them all we can do it play Sherlock Holmes and attempt to use deductive reasoning and connect the dots of what is known and use them to eliminate what is not possible and whatever remains, no matter how improbable, has to be the answer. Doing so is not always easy, but in this case it is all anyone has to work with.
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Very well put Brick! Just clean up and hope it doesnt happen again. Good Luck
 
Brick Top

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I really do not know of any way that is certain to get rid of the fungus but I did find the following. Possibly it might be of some help.


Prevent and Control

Fusarium Wilt is by far one of the hardest things for cannabis to overcome, if it ever does overcome it. Your plant health, environment and strain have a lot to do with weather or not Fusarium wilt will take over your plants. This pathogen mainly affects cannabis and hemp family, but can affect other plants but does not show the damaging effect it has on cannabis, like it does on other kinds of plants. This pathogen was breed specifically to attack wild cannabis plants and growers who grow there plants outdoors’. There is no form of organic control for this type, reason for this is, because the fungus is so strong and not susceptible to much of anything unless you get it right when it starts, if you do not get it in time, it thrives in the plants and consumes and kills the plants. There is only a few ways to control this fungus, one is to fumigate the area you are growing in killing the pathogen in the soil while it is dormant, so when you grow in this area again, your plants are much less likely to get it, the only other way your plants could get this if not from the soil, is from airborne spores get in through open wounds on your plants leaves, stems and stalks. Plants that produced seeds when it was infected with Fusarium wilt should not be used, as the pathogen stays dormant on the seed and attacks it when the seedling emerges and causing the “damping off” effect and thus killing the seedling before it even has a chance to grow it’s real first set of leaves. Acidic soil helps boost Fusarium wilt. Stay away from acidic soils. Counteract this by using dolomite lime, or green sand Using potassium and calcium enriched organic nutrients can help fight off and prevent Fusarium wilt, excessive amounts of nitrogen, phosphorus can speed up Fusarium wilt.

If your plant gets this it will surely die, the only thing you can do is try to reduce the destruction by foliar feeding areas that are not infected, cut off infected areas discard them away from your growing areas and treat the wound with h202 (Hydrogen Peroxide).

Making sure you clean your tools afterwards is important. Treating with fungicides will not work in controlling this.
 
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