Week 4 of Veg- Help or comments please.

jonnylongton

jonnylongton

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Hi all fellow growers, advanced and newbies like myself, who is finding it still a bit daunting, or should i say worrying about getting things right. Id just like your feedback on what you see so far please, anything im doing wrong? lights to high/low, if plants look healthy or lacking in something.
Well im on week 4 now in veg using 60/40 coco/soil, using shogun nutrients, keeping my ph between 5.9-6.2. I did drop a big bollock last week. Ive been foliar spraying (alg-a-mic) without knowing you need a wetting agent, so i added one from the local growshop, and well with used to giving them a foliar without they dry really quickly, i didnt quite assume how wet the leaves would be, so quite a few wilted :( (ive learned from that mistake, i guess we all make them when newbies).
Anyway ive been letting them veg under 3x400 watt hps lights, but ive just upped it to 600 watt using my digital ballast, am i to early to be giving them such a high lot of light while in veg? or am i doing wrong?
At the end of this week im going to flick them as with these running off a IWS system and in 12 litre pots, not the big 40ltre ones i see a lot of you seasoned growers and newbies use. 2 Feeds a day they are getting, a 30min feed a hour after the lights come on, and 15 mins a hour before they go off.
The temp and humidity havent been to bad, and this week ive stripped a few big fan leaves off which were covering bud sites as id heard you dont need to stress them at first once, theyd been flicked. Have i done right or wrong?
Just some questions or things im still not sure on, and your much sought after advice would be a valuable lesson, and highly gratified.
Please advice me to the best of your knowledge about what i have done so far, and what the plants are looking like ( Increduble bulk)
A few screen shots including the PH, EC, and water temp inc (water looks a bit cold but id just added something to cool it so by the next time it feeds it will be around the 18degress/19 degrees mark.
Also the Nutrient reading looks a bit high, but i have a 200 ltre water butt, 120 ltre full. So i added 120ml Silicon, 120ml Calmag, 25ml Katana roots, and that alone took it to 1400 EC , so i only added 50ml each off A & B Shogun base nutrients, which from the growshops advice i should always put in last, but didnt dare add no more incase the EC went to high.
Have i done right or wrong here? As it says between 1-2ml per litre?
Im very sorry if ive missed out any vital info you may need.
Finally your thoughts on what you in your professional opinion how do they look and what could i do to improve please.
All thoughts, comments, info will be taken on board, as this is very important to me as i need this for medicinal use as the dr is taking me off my morphine and i want something to quell the pain.
Your help, comments, criticism is all needed please.

Many thanks in advance , i know ive asked so much, but please try to be patient

A stressed newb..
 

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kingromano

kingromano

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1400 ppm is high my friend, you can check your runoff after your daily feed to have an idea of whats going on inside your media .. if the runoff EC comes higher than the feed, then there is salt accumulation in your media .. and you want to reduce your feed conductivity
the plants looks fine, but pictures under natural light would help us to give better diagnosis

also coco and soil, especially in veg, like temperate water .. i wouldnt go under 19 degree c, 22 would be ideal

also plants in veg need way less light, i made this sour experience a few times

if you feel that they are tired put the lamp farther, hps 600 are very bright for veg, even for mature plants like yours, and with cold water/ medium the nutrient uptake is slowed drastically, so the key is not to give them more light that they cant use
 
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PissingNutes

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jonnylongton said:
Hi all fellow growers, advanced and newbies like myself, who is finding it still a bit daunting, or should i say worrying about getting things right. Id just like your feedback on what you see so far please, anything im doing wrong? lights to high/low, if plants look healthy or lacking in something.
Well im on week 4 now in veg using 60/40 coco/soil, using shogun nutrients, keeping my ph between 5.9-6.2. I did drop a big bollock last week. Ive been foliar spraying (alg-a-mic) without knowing you need a wetting agent, so i added one from the local growshop, and well with used to giving them a foliar without they dry really quickly, i didnt quite assume how wet the leaves would be, so quite a few wilted :( (ive learned from that mistake, i guess we all make them when newbies).
Anyway ive been letting them veg under 3x400 watt hps lights, but ive just upped it to 600 watt using my digital ballast, am i to early to be giving them such a high lot of light while in veg? or am i doing wrong?
At the end of this week im going to flick them as with these running off a IWS system and in 12 litre pots, not the big 40ltre ones i see a lot of you seasoned growers and newbies use. 2 Feeds a day they are getting, a 30min feed a hour after the lights come on, and 15 mins a hour before they go off.
The temp and humidity havent been to bad, and this week ive stripped a few big fan leaves off which were covering bud sites as id heard you dont need to stress them at first once, theyd been flicked. Have i done right or wrong?
Just some questions or things im still not sure on, and your much sought after advice would be a valuable lesson, and highly gratified.
Please advice me to the best of your knowledge about what i have done so far, and what the plants are looking like ( Increduble bulk)
A few screen shots including the PH, EC, and water temp inc (water looks a bit cold but id just added something to cool it so by the next time it feeds it will be around the 18degress/19 degrees mark.
Also the Nutrient reading looks a bit high, but i have a 200 ltre water butt, 120 ltre full. So i added 120ml Silicon, 120ml Calmag, 25ml Katana roots, and that alone took it to 1400 EC , so i only added 50ml each off A & B Shogun base nutrients, which from the growshops advice i should always put in last, but didnt dare add no more incase the EC went to high.
Have i done right or wrong here? As it says between 1-2ml per litre?
Im very sorry if ive missed out any vital info you may need.
Finally your thoughts on what you in your professional opinion how do they look and what could i do to improve please.
All thoughts, comments, info will be taken on board, as this is very important to me as i need this for medicinal use as the dr is taking me off my morphine and i want something to quell the pain.
Your help, comments, criticism is all needed please.

Many thanks in advance , i know ive asked so much, but please try to be patient

A stressed newb..
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You'll need a bigger house.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Leaves are cupped, canoeing. Lights are too close or bright. Tips are slightly clawed and slightly burnt. Nutes are too high. Keep them under 1100PPM. I like 950-1050 personally. You do need a bigger space. Those are going to be in your lights if you don't have a couple feet of vertical clearance. They need more light and are more tolerant to it when in flower. In a 4x4 tent I run 400 watts cree cobs in veg. Then 800 in flower with the same clearance if not a bit closer. Hope this helps. Hit me up if interested in additional opinions. Peace.
 
jonnylongton

jonnylongton

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MICHI-CAN said:
Leaves are cupped, canoeing. Lights are too close or bright. Tips are slightly clawed and slightly burnt. Nutes are too high. Keep them under 1100PPM. I like 950-1050 personally. You do need a bigger space. Those are going to be in your lights if you don't have a couple feet of vertical clearance. They need more light and are more tolerant to it when in flower. In a 4x4 tent I run 400 watts cree cobs in veg. Then 800 in flower with the same clearance if not a bit closer. Hope this helps. Hit me up if interested in additional opinions. Peace.
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Thank you so much MICH-CAN, i will up the lights, there is at least another 4/5ft they can be moved up. I do know the nutes are too high, but i cant understand how the EC rose so much, i noticed the rise after putting the calmag in, next time i will go easy on that. I do know the EC should be reading 1.2 -1.4 EC at this stage mate. Id like much more help if you dont mind helping me along the way, im so glad youve put me right. Im flushing friday/saturday and i will then do a shot of the trimeter again, and also of the lights higher mate. Really appreciate your input. Peace and goodwill
 
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steve870 said:
i like being at 1.4 ec, 1400 ppm is too high
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Hi Steve, i only measure in EC , to be honest i was taught that way, so ppm means nothing to me, that is why the trimeter is set to EC mate. I will make sure that next time it will be week 1 flower and read 1.2-1.4 EC. I did have an idea it was too high. Thank you for confirming it for me mate
 
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PissingNutes said:
You'll need a bigger house.
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Wouldnt i just like to get one lol. Luckily these plants dont grow to tall, my friend has grown them and they are lucky to reach 4ft, so i do have plenty of height to give. I know ive dropped some bolloxs this week, but i have 8 weeks to get it right. And as long as things go well i hope i get some good buds.
 
jonnylongton

jonnylongton

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I went the grow shop today and got some biosys which was suggested, and also some bio bizz organic PH down as normal ph down will kill any living organism in the soil, which i didnt know, so hopefully using that in a couple of days will help.
I do think the leaves have become like that because of too high nutes, and also an over spraying of foliar, i was heavy handed with it. Also was told to drop the feeds to 15 mins twice a day, not once at 30 mins and once at 15 mins as the soil was a little overly wet, but one thing i can say, instead of some of the big leaves drooping, now the lights are on 600 instead of 400 , they have picked up. Tempted to put a couple of buckets of PHed water in to get the EC down to 1.2-1.4. Cant use the biosys this week as i have the normal PH in and it will be a waste as it will kill the micro organisms, so the shop said, so i will use it to PH it down using it next flush.
This is what was suggested https://www.onestopgrowshop.co.uk/products/biobizz-bio-ph-down
to use with https://www.onestopgrowshop.co.uk/products/ecothrive-biosys
to mix with the soil to have living micro organisms and to help with the stress of the plants, and hopefully put things right.
I am only relaying what i was told at the growshop today.
Once again, thanks to all for your input , help , and patience. Peace.
 
jonnylongton

jonnylongton

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kingromano said:
1400 ppm is high my friend, you can check your runoff after your daily feed to have an idea of whats going on inside your media .. if the runoff EC comes higher than the feed, then there is salt accumulation in your media .. and you want to reduce your feed conductivity
the plants looks fine, but pictures under natural light would help us to give better diagnosis

also coco and soil, especially in veg, like temperate water .. i wouldnt go under 19 degree c, 22 would be ideal

Hi kingromano, thank you for your feedback and your tips.
I did explain about the water, i know it was only 13 on the reading but by time it comes to feeding its usually 18/19 degrees mate.
I am going to reduce the feed conductivity to around the 1.2 EC mark.
I have only just today upped my lights to 600 watt, all throughout veg they started off at 250watt for week 1 and 2 , then week 3 and uptil now theyve been on 400 watt. But with flicking in a few days i just thought a bit of a boost may help them, i will reduce them down to 400 again till flower.
This might sound a really thick question mate, but how do i take pics under a natural light if they are in a room with 3 hps bulbs lighting the room up?
Id love to give you better pics but not to sure how to, apart from go in when the lights are on. Advice here would be welcome please. I do not know entirely what you mean by pictures under a natural light would help to give better diagnosis?
So sorry if this sounds stupid , believe me it makes me feel stupid, but apart from going in with my phone and taking the pics is the only way i know how to do it.
Your help has been really good and i thank you very much.
I am going to add a couple of buckets of water tomorrow (thursday) and see what happens in the final few days of veg,
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Miami Heights

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If your nutrient regimen is complete you shouldn't have to foliar feed, studies show it can be beneficial but in a setting like yours I think you should focus on dialing in your nutrients and your environment. Also those lights aren't air cooled so it might be getting hot, hang a thermometer at the canopy of your plants so you can make sure doesn't get above 80. You're doing a great job!
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Miami Heights said:
If your nutrient regimen is complete you shouldn't have to foliar feed, studies show it can be beneficial but in a setting like yours I think you should focus on dialing in your nutrients and your environment. Also those lights aren't air cooled so it might be getting hot, hang a thermometer at the canopy of your plants so you can make sure doesn't get above 80. You're doing a great job!
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I agree. Better lighting would help our opinions. Thought I see interveinal necrosis. Pictures are too yellow to say accurately. Good call.
 
jonnylongton

jonnylongton

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Miami Heights said:
If your nutrient regimen is complete you shouldn't have to foliar feed, studies show it can be beneficial but in a setting like yours I think you should focus on dialing in your nutrients and your environment. Also those lights aren't air cooled so it might be getting hot, hang a thermometer at the canopy of your plants so you can make sure doesn't get above 80. You're doing a great job!
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Thank you very much for your positive and helpful comments mate. Firstly i only do a foliar spray because i read that it helps and opens up the leaves to let out some thing that help your leaves and plant, i cant remember the word now sorry (been trying take to much in).
It is the pic what makes the lights look like that my friend. In realtime they are much brighter, they werent a cheapo brand, they were a philips something or other, got recommended it , also not on the pics is i have a hydrometer on the wall, plus 2 thermometers and the average temps are 23.5-24.5 which is averaging 75-77 degrees mate. Although last night i somehow had the heater on the same time as the lights (another ballsup lol) so it went was 82 degrees, ive took some other pics for you to have a look at mate, i hope they show better up, only other way is to muck about with me phone and see what takes the most true to life colouring.
Please keep your good input coming Miama Heights, and tell me what im doing wrong, and if you think it is not beneficial to foliar spray i will leave that out, that will be a godsend actually as it really pains my back to bend right down and do it.

Many thanks . Respect .

Oh pics, just at the end of the 18 hours on mate. Hope the lighting is a bit better
 

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MICHI-CAN said:
I agree. Better lighting would help our opinions. Thought I see interveinal necrosis. Pictures are too yellow to say accurately. Good call.
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Its the pictures mate, the lights are basically new and are a good brand, my bad on not being the best at taking pics. I see you have put intervienal necrosis, well i havent heard of that before but as a wild guess its the veins in the plants dont like right, and in which case what would be causing that mate, and how do i put it right.
Your input is very valuable and very much appreciated.
 
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MICHI-CAN

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steve870 said:
yes ec is the way to go. Ppms are useless
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Would you be kind enough to educate me as to why you have this opinion? I threw the EC meter out with the wet systems about 20 years ago. My understanding then was that I was measuring the same thing only about 20% more accurate due to the EC not registering non conductives. I never delved into it. And didn't own a computer until a couple years later. Thank you.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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jonnylongton said:
Its the pictures mate, the lights are basically new and are a good brand, my bad on not being the best at taking pics. I see you have put intervienal necrosis, well i havent heard of that before but as a wild guess its the veins in the plants dont like right, and in which case what would be causing that mate, and how do i put it right.
Your input is very valuable and very much appreciated.
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Please try to get a more color correct picture. Try changing the light settings on the phones camera. I was referring to the loss of chlorophyll between the sections of the leaves. Look up diagnosing marijuana deficiencies on you boob. I once saw a good video that was by an actual professor that was very simple to understand and detailed.
 
steve870

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i use ec because this is what reference manuals uses and this is what greenhouse growers uses. its not less accurate it's measuring ionic concentrations in solution.
 
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Whitewidowuk

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jonnylongton said:
Hi all fellow growers, advanced and newbies like myself, who is finding it still a bit daunting, or should i say worrying about getting things right. Id just like your feedback on what you see so far please, anything im doing wrong? lights to high/low, if plants look healthy or lacking in something.
Well im on week 4 now in veg using 60/40 coco/soil, using shogun nutrients, keeping my ph between 5.9-6.2. I did drop a big bollock last week. Ive been foliar spraying (alg-a-mic) without knowing you need a wetting agent, so i added one from the local growshop, and well with used to giving them a foliar without they dry really quickly, i didnt quite assume how wet the leaves would be, so quite a few wilted :( (ive learned from that mistake, i guess we all make them when newbies).
Anyway ive been letting them veg under 3x400 watt hps lights, but ive just upped it to 600 watt using my digital ballast, am i to early to be giving them such a high lot of light while in veg? or am i doing wrong?
At the end of this week im going to flick them as with these running off a IWS system and in 12 litre pots, not the big 40ltre ones i see a lot of you seasoned growers and newbies use. 2 Feeds a day they are getting, a 30min feed a hour after the lights come on, and 15 mins a hour before they go off.
The temp and humidity havent been to bad, and this week ive stripped a few big fan leaves off which were covering bud sites as id heard you dont need to stress them at first once, theyd been flicked. Have i done right or wrong?
Just some questions or things im still not sure on, and your much sought after advice would be a valuable lesson, and highly gratified.
Please advice me to the best of your knowledge about what i have done so far, and what the plants are looking like ( Increduble bulk)
A few screen shots including the PH, EC, and water temp inc (water looks a bit cold but id just added something to cool it so by the next time it feeds it will be around the 18degress/19 degrees mark.
Also the Nutrient reading looks a bit high, but i have a 200 ltre water butt, 120 ltre full. So i added 120ml Silicon, 120ml Calmag, 25ml Katana roots, and that alone took it to 1400 EC , so i only added 50ml each off A & B Shogun base nutrients, which from the growshops advice i should always put in last, but didnt dare add no more incase the EC went to high.
Have i done right or wrong here? As it says between 1-2ml per litre?
Im very sorry if ive missed out any vital info you may need.
Finally your thoughts on what you in your professional opinion how do they look and what could i do to improve please.
All thoughts, comments, info will be taken on board, as this is very important to me as i need this for medicinal use as the dr is taking me off my morphine and i want something to quell the pain.
Your help, comments, criticism is all needed please.

Many thanks in advance , i know ive asked so much, but please try to be patient

A stressed newb..
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Get your temp up to at least 22-26
 
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