BlackRoses
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Damn what a gorgeous bud!! congrats bro!
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Wecome to the jungle
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Green Cross
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Thanks for that tahoe. I'll just bust off a horn and roll a paper around it lol
Thanks buddybeautiful
Thanks Cane,Hey there Cross glad to see you got that person handled on the clones. I saw your post thanks for helping him. Glad your harvest is proceeding so well.
The drying process is coming along nicely. I moved them to the paper bag today, so the outsides of the buds don't get too crispy. Yield on 5 plants looks like about 4 fingers deep in a brown grocery bag lol the last of the 6 should be ready for harvest soon.
Thanks for the compliments BlackRoses
I've been busy, but hopefully I can find the time to transplant the remaining clones soon. I want to make sure I have the soil mix and PH just right, so they don't go into shock.
What's left of the Sativa mother is still in my fridge. As soon as I get a heating mat - or the equivalent -I'll be re-vegging her.
And I still have a few things to gather for this grow;
HPS bulbs, cloning supplies, and flowering nutes. Check back next week.
Green Cross
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Hi there fishindog,
As long as it has roots and a stem with plenty of nodes to push new growth out... It should push new leaves, once I warm her up.
Have you ever seen rose bushes sold with just a thorny stem sticking out? Same theory. I'll be disappointed if it she doesn't come out of her dormancy, but that is a possibility. I've seen flowering mothers die during an attempt re-veg in other grows.
Here's something I found exciting today!
1 lone seed fell out of the jar gigabud is curing in! LOL I didn't want to fondle the buds, so I don't know if there are any more...and I'm not sure if she pollinated herself, or if there was pollen from one of the other plants. It's definitely feminized, and I'll be growing it out in a later grow, but K-train (trainwreck x kush) is already lined up for the next run. 
tahoe58
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exceelent post, never realized you could do that .... thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Thanks for that tahoe. I'll just bust off a horn and roll a paper around it lol
Thanks buddy
Thanks Cane,
The drying process is coming along nicely. I moved them to the paper bag today, so the outsides of the buds don't get too crispy. Yield on 5 plants looks like about 4 fingers deep in a brown grocery bag lol the last of the 6 should be ready for harvest soon.
Thanks for the compliments BlackRoses
I've been busy, but hopefully I can find the time to transplant the remaining clones soon. I want to make sure I have the soil mix and PH just right, so they don't go into shock.
What's left of the Sativa mother is still in my fridge. As soon as I get a heating mat - or the equivalent -I'll be re-vegging her.
And I still have a few things to gather for this grow;
HPS bulbs, cloning supplies, and flowering nutes. Check back next week.
Green Cross
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Damn that's a hot cowgirl avatar! Now what was I doing here? lol oh yeah an update.exceelent post, never realized you could do that .... thanks for sharing the knowledge.
I'll have more pics up soon, but man I've been busy...
The last of the blue moonshine came down; It probably could have gone another week, but I had to make room for 4 more clones - transplanted, and now in flower.
I took 3 cuttings each from the BMS purple, and #3 phenotypes. They've been refrigerated, in tupperware containers, with an inch of water in them. I ended up using a piece of styrofoam as a raft, with holes punched through (with a toothpick) for the stems. I plant to clone 1 at a time as an experiment to see just how long clones can be kept healthy in the refrigerator.
I'm also building a DIY heating tray for the cloning, and revegging project, using an old ammo box, with a light-bulb inside.
The rest of the BMS is curing, and smells like the soil it was grown in, earthy, mixed with berries and bubblegum... I could stand there all day with my nose in the jar
I've found 6 BMS seeds, but don't know who the baby-daddy is lol
The Sativa, fully cured, smells like lemon-pepper. After the first bong hit
you start to feel it in your eye's and as you take the second hit you feel the top of your head float away. It's very psychedelic, but also excellent meds; cures nausea instantly, and helps with appetite stimulation... when you come down. Hopefully the mother re-vegges as planned, otherwise I'll be on the lookout for some super lemon haze seeds. The Gigabud smoke report will be coming up as soon as I get a better handle on the complex smells and flavors...maybe it needs a longer cure. It's stinky, and potent, but hard for me to pinpoint at the moment.
Green Cross
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You're always welcome Tahoe.
Good Morning!
I harvested some kief from some shake, a 1/4 oz of BMS, using a coffee grinder and a 120 screen. This will be heated and pressed into hash, and layered with gumby bubble hash, to create some kick-ass gourmet hash.
Green Cross
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Thanks Tahoe LOLI want I want I want !!!!!! LOL! awesome pic man!!
Hey man could you do me a favor and publish this pic in the RIU gallery. I'm still getting a message saying I've uploaded my quota...?
"Error:
Sorry, Green Cross: Maximum Number of Allowed File Uploads Exceeded"
Green Cross
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I promissed someone I'd document the technique for keeping clones in the fridge. It's not my inventoin, and instructions can be found here
"Clones in Stasis
Cuttings in bagKeeping your clones in stasis by using your fridge is a handy way to both store them for future use or keep backups should there be some failure with your original cuttings. I have personally kept cuttings up to eight weeks using this method.
Simply put:
1) Take cuttings as you normally would, but with the one addition of leaving a longer stem, as you will be trimming this down further by at least half an inch when it is time to root them.
put in with Grey Poupon2) Place cuttings in a Ziploc bag (Tupperware can be used also.)There should be enough water in the bottom of the bag so that the stems are submerged. RO or good quality tap water should be fine. An inch or two should be in the bottom of the bag, keeping the stems wet.
Breathe some air into the bag, mainly so as not to crush the leaves and provide some cushion as they may get bumped about in the crisper drawer.
**Another variation on this is to simply put the cuttings in a water glass or jar (an ice cream bucket works well too -> basically, wide and shallow containers) and have them sit on the shelf in the fridge (stems also in water). This may or may not be convenient or stealthy for you.
3) I would recommend that you replace the air and water in the bag once a week. I have typically not bothered to replace the air or water at all for up to four weeks, but I continually come across this information and it seems like it cant hurt.
4) When you decide it is time to use your cuttings, remove them from the fridge and let them sit with their stems in a glass of water for half an hour or so to warm up as you prepare your cloning materials.
5) Cut half an inch or more off the stem to make a fresh end that you will dip in your favorite rooting hormome or rooting medium. I have found that fridge clones, if let to sit longer than a few weeks, will take longer to root.
This is fine for most since many are buying time with this method anyway. Clones older than 2 weeks will usually begin to root in 10 days and are mostly established by 14 days.
*Be sure that your fridge does not have a tendency to freeze your food. It should be stable. If your clones freeze, they will die. Happy Cloning. "
I'm thinking about re-cloning some clones some time in the future, to "bide time".
1. Take cuttings.
2. let them grow to the desired height, or when your clone box starts to get too crowded.
3. Chop the desired clones.
4. Refrigerate up to 2 months.
5. Re-root them.
Why waste so much energy keeping mothers, when you have a steady supply of cuttings in your crisper drawer?
I decided to use tupperware (type) containers, and some styrofoam, to keep the leaves out of the water and the stems in the water.
I'll try rooting these 2 my 2 in 1 - 4 week intervals. I'll be changing the water every 1 - 2 weeks - so it doesn't get slimy. You can keep lettuce fresh the same way by the way.
Replacing the air isn't necessary in my opinion, because these clones aren't transpiring, but changing the water is crucial. You may also want to experiment, by adding a couple drops of hydrogen peroxide to the water - may help keep it fresh?
Make sure you're refrigerator doesn't get above freezing, especially this time of year when the weather cools off. It's worth buying an accurate thermometer - to check the temp - if you don't already have one.
"Clones in Stasis
Cuttings in bagKeeping your clones in stasis by using your fridge is a handy way to both store them for future use or keep backups should there be some failure with your original cuttings. I have personally kept cuttings up to eight weeks using this method.
Simply put:
1) Take cuttings as you normally would, but with the one addition of leaving a longer stem, as you will be trimming this down further by at least half an inch when it is time to root them.
put in with Grey Poupon2) Place cuttings in a Ziploc bag (Tupperware can be used also.)There should be enough water in the bottom of the bag so that the stems are submerged. RO or good quality tap water should be fine. An inch or two should be in the bottom of the bag, keeping the stems wet.
Breathe some air into the bag, mainly so as not to crush the leaves and provide some cushion as they may get bumped about in the crisper drawer.
**Another variation on this is to simply put the cuttings in a water glass or jar (an ice cream bucket works well too -> basically, wide and shallow containers) and have them sit on the shelf in the fridge (stems also in water). This may or may not be convenient or stealthy for you.
3) I would recommend that you replace the air and water in the bag once a week. I have typically not bothered to replace the air or water at all for up to four weeks, but I continually come across this information and it seems like it cant hurt.
4) When you decide it is time to use your cuttings, remove them from the fridge and let them sit with their stems in a glass of water for half an hour or so to warm up as you prepare your cloning materials.
5) Cut half an inch or more off the stem to make a fresh end that you will dip in your favorite rooting hormome or rooting medium. I have found that fridge clones, if let to sit longer than a few weeks, will take longer to root.
This is fine for most since many are buying time with this method anyway. Clones older than 2 weeks will usually begin to root in 10 days and are mostly established by 14 days.
*Be sure that your fridge does not have a tendency to freeze your food. It should be stable. If your clones freeze, they will die. Happy Cloning. "
I'm thinking about re-cloning some clones some time in the future, to "bide time".
1. Take cuttings.
2. let them grow to the desired height, or when your clone box starts to get too crowded.
3. Chop the desired clones.
4. Refrigerate up to 2 months.
5. Re-root them.
Why waste so much energy keeping mothers, when you have a steady supply of cuttings in your crisper drawer?
I decided to use tupperware (type) containers, and some styrofoam, to keep the leaves out of the water and the stems in the water.
I'll try rooting these 2 my 2 in 1 - 4 week intervals. I'll be changing the water every 1 - 2 weeks - so it doesn't get slimy. You can keep lettuce fresh the same way by the way.
Replacing the air isn't necessary in my opinion, because these clones aren't transpiring, but changing the water is crucial. You may also want to experiment, by adding a couple drops of hydrogen peroxide to the water - may help keep it fresh?
Make sure you're refrigerator doesn't get above freezing, especially this time of year when the weather cools off. It's worth buying an accurate thermometer - to check the temp - if you don't already have one.
Green Cross
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The pics aren't that great but you'll get the idea lol
Left Canopy: 1 BMS in the background - 2 daydream indicas (super-cropped) in the foreground
A little light burn on 1 of the tops
Right Canopy: 3 BMS and 1 Gigabud
The remaining 2 clones are becoming pot-bound, so I'm thinking I'll transplant into the 3 gal buckets, and keep them vegging in the small cabinet.
Here's the other gigabud - looking very thirsty (wilted) in her ghetto-ware container
Here's the runt I pinched the top on (in the FIM tutorial)
http://i37.tinypic.com/95pilz.jpg
Here's a closeup of the area where I pinched the top bud (FIMMED/topped). As you can see the plant doesn't even look topped, it only has very natural looking branching.
So I topped her (above) 2 new tops again yesterday, and
I'll continue to post the results on my FIM Tutorial (taking the guesswork out)
Left Canopy: 1 BMS in the background - 2 daydream indicas (super-cropped) in the foreground
A little light burn on 1 of the tops
Right Canopy: 3 BMS and 1 Gigabud
The remaining 2 clones are becoming pot-bound, so I'm thinking I'll transplant into the 3 gal buckets, and keep them vegging in the small cabinet.
Here's the other gigabud - looking very thirsty (wilted) in her ghetto-ware container
Here's the runt I pinched the top on (in the FIM tutorial)
Here's a closeup of the area where I pinched the top bud (FIMMED/topped). As you can see the plant doesn't even look topped, it only has very natural looking branching.
So I topped her (above) 2 new tops again yesterday, and
I'll continue to post the results on my FIM Tutorial (taking the guesswork out)
Green Cross
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Thanks for that Tahoe kiss-assthar she be ....
Luv2Blaze89
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Sorry to hear about your brother man. 
I have been through stuff like that far 2 often. My prayers are with him. I think he'll be proud of how sexy your ladies are. 
Keep up the good work!
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I have been through stuff like that far 2 often. My prayers are with him. I think he'll be proud of how sexy your ladies are. Keep up the good work!+rep and subbed.
Green Cross
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Thanks for the Luv, Luv2BlazeSorry to hear about your brother man.
+rep and subbed.
I wish I could give out more personal details here, but I'm very careful not to give anything identifiable about me and my bro. You never know who the bullies in blue will decide to make an example out of next. But when I started this journal I worried that he may not live long enough to see this harvest, but what was at first diagnosed as a death sentence, has been re-diagnosed as something less agressive, and his quality of life has improved miraculously - in response to the chemo, the weed, and the prayers.
On a lighter note: the hash experiment was a great success... yield was over 9 grams, from what looked like 3 oz of trim, and by pressing the kief into the water hash, the aroma is simply incredible
I'd like to sample some right now, but I'm sure it would leave me incapable of putting a sentence together lol I made a few changes to the normal gumby method - incorporating what I know, about other methods like the blender method, and adding a couple pieces of equipment - which helped limit the amount of time, and effort, while improving the yield and quality... gumby hash method - as seen on utube - will leave too much plant matter in your hash. IMO
And If you've never made hash before I suggest you do a couple small trial runs - google "blender method hash" - first just to refine your technique, because technique is also important, and trichomes is not the easiest medium to work with.
Supplies
1. a drill
2. a mixing attachment
3. a food strainer
4. a couple 1 meter lengths of plastic tubing (1" and 1/16" diameter)
5. ice
6. 2 - 4 oz dry trim (if you want to add bud give it a couple pulses in a coffee grinder first.
7. 2- 5 gal buckets
8. A couple glass jars (1/2 gal, and 1 pint). Pyrex measuring cup works well.
8. A gold tone reusable coffee filter
9. a few paper coffee filters
10. water
My Water Hash method - refined:
1. First chill down the trim (should be quite dry), and the water, so when we start mixing, the trichomes break off easily, and sink to the bottom of the bucket. Add your ice to a 5 gal. bucket (half full). Then add cold filtered water, to just below your ice level. Then add all the trim, and cover it with more ice. Let this chill for 10 - 15 minutes, before adding more water - to cover the trim. You want the trichomes in contact with the water for as little time as necessary. To clarify: Add your trim and your ice, to chill it for 10 minutes, then top off with water.
I know many folk freeze their trim, but I believe the trichomes are damaged (by ice crystals) if frozen. You should NEVER freeze weed.
2. Now add enough water to cover your ice, so that you can mix it.
I prefer a 1/2" drill (w/cord), over a 3/8 cordless model, and you can pickup something similar to this one - used - on ebay for like $25
This drywall mud attachment is the cats meow, and can be found at home depot, and many other places for a couple bucks.
Mix for 10 minutes. This is the most important step, and if you don't have the proper equipment you can probably double the mixing time. You really want to mash it.
3. Strain the ice, and as much of the mash out of the bucket as possible - using a food strainer - and remember to jiggle the strainer - before removing it from the water - to release any suspended tricomes, before discarding the mash. Some people wring out the mash, as they remove it, but I find this step unpleasant, and unnecessary.
4. Strain the entire water bucket, though your food strainer, and into second bucket.
5. Now chill (wait) for an hour, and don't disturb the bucket. I know the gumby method says to wait no less than 4 hours, but the trichomes do not take 4 hours to settle to the bottom! Of course you can wait longer if you like, but after only 30 minutes most the heavy tricome heads have already settled; no other method of water extraction calls for 4 hours of waiting time.
5. Next siphon off all but the bottom 2 inches of dirty water from the bucket. I like to use 1" diameter clear plastic tubing - available in the plumbing department.
6. Now pour what remains, through your gold tone coffee filter, into a glass or other food-safe container. Holding the coffee filter just below the water, gently jiggle it so the trichomes can filter through. After about 5 - 10 minutes of this, you can discard the plant material that remains.
7. Again let the liquid sit for about 30 minutes. After only 10 minutes you'll see most the trichomes have already fallen to the bottom... and should be forming a nice thick layer...
8. Now take your small plastic tubing and siphon out the liquid, being careful not to vacuum the trichomes off the bottom.
9. At this point I like to pour what remains into a 1 - 2 cup pyrex measuring cup - tilting it up on one side so that the trichome sludge can settle... then pour off the water that remains, into a paper coffee filter. At this point you can start pouring out the thick mass of trichomes into additional paper coffee filters, and press them between paper towels - to remove the excess moisture.
10. Let your hash dry at room temperature, or start hand rolling it. To hand roll just take a little piece in the palm of your hand, and start rolling it, with the thumb - on your opposing hand - and you'll see the water come out and a familiar ball/rope/lump of hash start to take shape. It's a lot of work, and leaves your with sticky fingers, but worth trying at least once. This kneading and the heat from your hands removes any excess moisture by the way
To further press your hash, it only takes a little heat (to make it pliable again) and some pressure.
Optional gourmet hash: I layered my water hash with some kief (for flavor), wrapped it in cellophane, a moist paper envelope, and then wrapped that in aluminum foil. Then I heat activated it in a 220 F oven for 20 minutes. After letting it cool slightly I pressed it out with a roller, and then finally rolled it up into a rope shape, so I can break pieces of like a tootsie roll.
P.S. heat activation is also optional, and not necessary unless you plan to take it orally, but it may also increase the potency, by converting the THC acids into usable THC.
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Green Cross
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That hash kicked my ass last night 
I can't get over how sticky it is, like modeling clay - pure trichomes!
I trimmed up the 7 ladies - in flower - removing the lower branches, and the undergrowth, so that the energy is forced to the tops.
The Indica is already flowering profusely, after giving them a little high phosphorous bat guano last week.
The HPS bulbs won't be switched in, until the 2nd, or 3rd week of flower, to help reduce stretch. I've also continued grow nutes, further, into the first part of this flowering cycle, and will be using less molasses... because as it turns out Molasses is pretty acidic (5.0). 1 tsp per gallon should be plenty, and maybe I'll pick up some earthjuice "catalyst" to help supplement micro-nutes.
The thumbnails show the branches I pruned out, and the buds forming on the Indica ladies.
P.S. I'm still waiting for male flowers on the 1 BMS female. You can see part of what's left of her main stem, in the background, of the last thumbnail. I pruned off all but one bud, and super-cropped her main stem, so she fits under the lights. I've been feeding her aspirin water for several weeks, and still no male flowers. Next comes root pruning - I guess - in order to stress her enough to push male flowers? I better pick up some colloidal silver (to force female pollen). if I plan to do any more serious breeding
I can't get over how sticky it is, like modeling clay - pure trichomes! I trimmed up the 7 ladies - in flower - removing the lower branches, and the undergrowth, so that the energy is forced to the tops.
The Indica is already flowering profusely, after giving them a little high phosphorous bat guano last week.
The HPS bulbs won't be switched in, until the 2nd, or 3rd week of flower, to help reduce stretch. I've also continued grow nutes, further, into the first part of this flowering cycle, and will be using less molasses... because as it turns out Molasses is pretty acidic (5.0). 1 tsp per gallon should be plenty, and maybe I'll pick up some earthjuice "catalyst" to help supplement micro-nutes.
The thumbnails show the branches I pruned out, and the buds forming on the Indica ladies.
P.S. I'm still waiting for male flowers on the 1 BMS female. You can see part of what's left of her main stem, in the background, of the last thumbnail. I pruned off all but one bud, and super-cropped her main stem, so she fits under the lights. I've been feeding her aspirin water for several weeks, and still no male flowers. Next comes root pruning - I guess - in order to stress her enough to push male flowers? I better pick up some colloidal silver (to force female pollen). if I plan to do any more serious breeding
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newbieneedshelp
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Nice bubble hash teaching? Is gourmet hash worth the extra prep time?kiss-assThat hash kicked my ass last night
I trimmed up the 7 ladies - in flower - removing the lower branches, and the undergrowth, so that the energy is forced to the tops.
The Indica is already flowering profusely, after giving them a little high phosphorous bat guano last week.
The HPS bulbs won't be switched in, until the 2nd, or 3rd week of flower, to help reduce stretch. I've also continued grow nutes, further, into the first part of this flowering cycle, and will be using less molasses... because as it turns out Molasses is pretty acidic (5.0). 1 tsp per gallon should be plenty, and maybe I'll pick up some earthjuice "catalyst" to help supplement micro-nutes.
The thumbnails show the branches I pruned out, and the buds forming on the Indica ladies.
P.S. I'm still waiting for male flowers on the 1 BMS female. You can see part of what's left of her main stem, in the background, of the last thumbnail. I pruned off all but one bud, and super-cropped her main stem, so she fits under the lights. I've been feeding her aspirin water for several weeks, and still no male flowers. Next comes root pruning - I guess - in order to stress her enough to push male flowers? I better pick up some colloidal silver (to force female pollen). if I plan to do any more serious breeding
Green Cross
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Hi newbies,
Definitely! The dry sieve keeps all of of it's aroma of the bud, unlike water hash.
An easier prep method, would be to just mix in the dry trichomes, once your water-hash is dry. It doest have to be heated, or pressed.
I transplanted the last 2 runt clones. One is a runt because the container was small, and the other is just a runt, but I expect their growth to explode - in veg -over the next week, or 2. I should take a few pics, because it should be something to see! lol