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Mad Hamish
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...And some beans of a certain description hehehehe... How the hell do I send somebody a PM now?
That terrible smell is ammonia nitrogen. It is a yes-no scenario when it comes to plants loving it. Basically, plants do NOT use ammonia nitrogen, they need chelated nitrates. Ammonia nitrogen also burns, and in the process of chelation we get ions produced in the soil. This is one of the ways in which micro organisms affect pH.I just started using that fish fert shit, it smells TERRIBLE, wife hates it, but the plants do love it eh?
How does that vitazyme work you find?
AND DUCK THAT IS SO COOL
In an efficient organic rig, you should have only good smells. Sweet soil smells. A stinky stank is either ammonia nitrogen or anaerobic activity. Both are not really what you want, unless you are beating down pathogens then anaerobes are pure power.
To get rid of the stink and chelate your feed all in one go, you have one option basically. You need to harness Lactic Acid Bacteria for your benefit. Very cool bacteria, it is BOTH aerobic and anaerobic. It's main function in nature is the chelation of ammonia nitrogen into nitrates. If using a fishy fert, mix your serum right into the feed. It will still smell a bit at that point, but no more stinky pots!!
Easiest by far is to go out and get some EM-1. Best by far is to keep culturing LactoB for your own home use. Simple method to culture some beneficial indigenous microbes with a dominant LactoB population:
Put some rice in a jar, small mason jar will do fine. Fill with water and shake till the water goes cloudy. Strain and leave water OPEN somewhere no more than 2ft off the ground. After 3-7 days, you will see some fungi growing on it and it will have a funny smell... This is your starter culture.
Mix this filthy water 1:20 with milk, preferably warmish. For the next bit a separatory funnel really helps, even a home made one is recommended. Pour the milk and starter culture into your funnel and leave to stand. You need a decent air-gap of about an inch from the rim, and you also need air exchange so don't seal with a lid.
Now you just wait until the milk separates into curds at the top, and a clear yellow liquid at the bottom. If it is cold it can take more than a week, but usually 3 days is good. Siphon off the yellow liquid, this is your PURE SERUM. Lacto B dominant with a whole host of beneficial microbes indigenous to your area. THIS is very important, you cannot beat indigenous microbes, ALWAYS most potent.
You can use this serum dilute 1:20 as a soil drench, foliar spray to prevent mold (I am going to talk a LOT about what microbes and particularly LactoB can do for a garden), to beat down rust or other pathogens. On your compost heap to speed it up or get rid of smells, you can feed it to your dogs to help digestion, etc etc.
Your pure serum will store in the fridge for 3-4 weeks. For long-term storage, mix up some Blackstrap Molasses and pure water 50/50 as a food-stock, and then dilute your serum 50/50. At room temp the microbes will multiply and cause a little fermentation. That is not bad. In the fridge it will keep for 4 months or so. Use in same dilution as the pure serum, 1:20.
When it comes to feeding I am a HUGE fan of nute teas and ACT. On occasion I like enzyme teas too. Mr Duck, you are talking about Clackamas Coot's (wow, co-incidence of note) Alfalfa Tea. Stuff is like plant steroids. It really is incredible. Between Coot's alfalfa tea and Microbeman's nutrient cycling methods, I am getting just over a zip per gallon of soil mix in less than optimal conditions...
MrEDuck
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I'm talking about making a tea by taking alfalfa from a feed store and mixing it about 1 cup to a gallon and letting it sit in a sealed container for about a week. It will smell as it's an anaerobic tea (I've actually wondered about trying to brew it aerobically as it shouldn't matter because what you really care about is the tricontanol) but as you said it's like plant steroids.
Impman
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Wow hamish ! Thank you ! I really am over my head with soil especially after reading that. I have not used the vitazyme yet. I am next feeding. I will stop using the fish and bat poop because it smells exactly like fish and bat poop and I think after reading hamish write up that a bad smell IS bad. I will order some dynogrow I guess. I really don't want to use anything from a hydroponic shop because they are not guaranteed like lowes or Home Depot where everything they sell is tested and stamped for approval
Mad Hamish
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No hassle bro
But a nice soil won't even need anything added. Fish ferts are VERY good make no mistake. If you can get Fish HYDROLYSATE as opposed to fish emulsion, even better. Best way to use it is one STRONG dose and not continually feeding like most bottle nutes. Each feed with fish will drop pH insantly. The smell of the fishy goop itself is no problem, if your SOIL smells yeah that is not good. But I have done many killer grows with fish ferts only.
Guano is just too much for me. Hell no thanks. EWWW. If you use that stuff definitely a long cook or tons of EM-1. I replaced guano with organic chicken shit based fertilizer. Cheap and much easier to work with, same benefits too.
We have a killer little group going in the organics section, real outstanding bunch of fellas. Mostly discussions on making and using nute teas and tons of soil talk too. Look into the teas, bottled nutes are a thing of the past for me. Not because of some moral issue, but because the results speak for themselves. And it is CHEAP in comparison. After 6 months of running Living Organics I have a new tent and two new ballasts from the spare cash. No BS.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/total-noob-using-teas-and-i-am-a-believer.676040/
Mature group of cats.
rory420420
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you would think iphones would work well here..i use my android and it works fine!..maybe the kinks will eventually be worked out..
Mad Hamish
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Just look at that sparkle. NICE. That is going to be some badass bud, can't wait to see pics of it dry.
I am in total rebellion against smart phones after seeing a chick almost get run over because she was crossing a street while staring into it, and then seeing the same thing happen three more times in the space of a latte. I realized they dumb people down by limiting information to byte sizes. Snack sized thoughts easy to digest. The world as represented by 150 characters or less.
Don't get me started on Facebook wowa...
So I have been trying to subvert mine into making strange noises and noises stranger instead.
I am in total rebellion against smart phones after seeing a chick almost get run over because she was crossing a street while staring into it, and then seeing the same thing happen three more times in the space of a latte. I realized they dumb people down by limiting information to byte sizes. Snack sized thoughts easy to digest. The world as represented by 150 characters or less.
Don't get me started on Facebook wowa...
So I have been trying to subvert mine into making strange noises and noises stranger instead.
frizzlegooch
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Hhahaha, thats good. and so true. But nay, i only feed once a week so pots dont smell.. just the fish goop itself. Thanks for that load of info holy cow you know your shit!
rory420420
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my wife has a rectangle shaped square n her face where the phone screen has tanned her..lol..i feel your pain.
Mad Hamish
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LOL... Thanks bro but I actually really just talk a lot. Full credit for everything I do goes to Rrog, Gandalf, HASHISH and Microbeman. Listening to them talk organics is like listening to Mr Duck talk chemistry. Makes understanding a pleasure.
ROFL... I can see that as a Far Side cartoon...
frizzlegooch
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I understand that comparison . 
well at least you give credit to the deserving
well at least you give credit to the deserving
frizzlegooch
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i wish i could try those. can it be alfalfa from the pet store? or is there a cheaper place to obtain it
Mad Hamish
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A lot of the LOS heads use this place for organic stuff
https://www.kelp4less.com/
Where I come from that all looks pretty pricey. Pet stores are always over priced though. If you want to try teas, I highly recommend a normal Nutrient Cycling Tea. But you need a good air pump, aquarium pumps are not strong enough. You need DO2 of over 30ppm and to sustain that takes quite a bit, around 9 litres of air per minute, per liter of tea.
Teas are GREAT but if done wrong a total disaster can come of it. I have seen what they can do, both good and bad. But get the basics right and man, no looking back. All I REALLY need is my worm bin and they eat the stuff I throw away. If you have soil, and a worm bin, you never need to spend again.
MrEDuck
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I would buy it at a feed store instead of a pet store. 4 cups of alfalfa meal to 5 gal of water is what a lot of my friends who use it do.
MrEDuck
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Despite her issues I got almost 6 pint jars full of Kali Mist. I seemed to have mislaid my scale but I'll get a weight. I chose a bigger bud and sacrificed some fine detail for this pic. I need more practice at dried bud shots. I feel like I'm much better with living buds.
frizzlegooch
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yeah it looks really dark homie