Way to much ph up

I lowered th ph and flushed, then repotted. I have read alot on nute diffiencies like zinc and mg. I see the resemblance to what I found in the pic you sent. Thank you for checking in. Any help is still help. The plants have seemed to make a fair recovery and have shown new growth. Will they suffer long term results?

I checked them this morning and took these pics...

they dont look to bad seems like they will be ok, once the ph is ok you should feed again right?

I still don't have a fan on them but I shake the branches when I check on them to try and strengthen them til it gets warm enough to run a fan. Are they big enough to clone?

How long should I grow a clone before I try to flower?

If I get a female branch of a hermi will it show a female when I sex it and go hermi when I try to grow it out?

I didn't feed them for a week, only 6 to 6.5 ph flush with water. I started them back on nutes after they had been transplanted 5 days and both times I fed them I've listed what I used.

fans are not just for strenght.......... stale air in the grow room can lead to bigger problems i think they will be fine but they need to keep getting better so you dont lose harvest from them being stressed

They are in a crawl space that is 12 x 26. I took insulation board and stapled mylar to it. The entrance to the crawl is small and full sheets couldn't be used so they were cut into 2x4 foot pieces. It looked like a mess. The sheets dont go all the way to the top so I stapled the mylar to the ceiling and drapped it down to the ground. There are big holes in the top and around the ground. It's cold in the crawl because of the winter weather, around 50-60. The 400 watt mh bulb keeps it about75-83 depending on how warm it gets outside. With the lamp heating the air it raises to the ceiling causing a vacancy where it used to be thus pulling in air from around the bottem and the hot air vents out the holes in the top. I don't think I will have a problem with stale air but it has shown me when the outside temp gets around 55-60 the crawl warms up enough that I'm going to have to get a fan.

Because this all kinda started by accident I didn't really have time to plan all this out and have the equiptment set up. I wound up with plants I realy didn't think would grow because of the age of the seeds and how they were stored. I hope to get some time to construct a proper room. The rock on the crawl floor is 3-4 foot deep near the base where it meets the full basement wall so I will eventually dig down to give myself some more height.At that time I will construct something more permenate with walls and a ducted air system with a filter for oder.

Gave them a gallon of 6.5 ph water yesterday because they started to look like they were over fed again. Today they seemed good but the very ends of the branches are hanging down instead of growing toward the light.?.They got a 7 hour nap today and 6 hours yesterday. I don't know if it benifits them to get the dark and the lower temps but if I do put them outside when the weather warms enough, it will still get pretty cold at night.Maybe this will prepare them for the change?

I accidentialy broke a branch off while checking them today, I'm not set up with the stuff for a clone so it is a waste but what are you gonna do?

Two of the plants are pretty bushy while three of them have started to really streatch upward. Then there are the two "special children" that have shown new growth and an I can attitude. No water today or tomorrow unless they show a need to be flushed again.

I'm learning that you really don't need much. Your not building a steroid guzzling weight lifter your trying to grow a plant and give it what it needs in the best environment it could want....

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles! was reading around on different threads and ran across this link. I read up and found that, just as I suspected I was having all my problems because of my fuck up with the ph. I have made up my mind to invest in a meter as I can't seem to master the drops... It caused a number of problems. As I looked at the pictures I saw match after match. I still don't have it under control yet as I have found that my plants now suffer with a boron difficincy. I read that I can treat for this with eye wash and I will try today. It's sunny today and I might try to get them out for some pics and real sun for a change....

with ph its a trail an error thing. A little goes a long way.In my 50 gallon res tanks I use abount 1 table spoon of ph down to drop the water from around 7.8 to 6ish then just a 1/8 teaspoon til its right at 5.5 ish range for aero hydro.Soil is even touchier.The best way is a simple digital ph pen as no color matching crap. Yoiu turn the pen on dip it and it shows a digital ph reading. they cost about $28 on ebay new with warranty.Be very careful.Im finding best soil ph for me is 6.8 water

Thank you.. I want this grow to be my learning curve. I gave them a 7 hour nap again today. Not much has changed since I watered with the eye wash in it. Had people over so I could'nt get them out like I wanted...

I have been using a dropper to add the ph up and down. The first time I just splashed some in without even measuring it because there was no ratio on the bottels.... I will check on the pen and hopefully get the upper hand on the ph before it kills my plants...

They got out for some sunshine today and seem to like it. I took some pic's today and will post them later. As I said they all showed several different ailments so I took some photos of what is going on... I decided to label them so I don't get them mixed up, I think I'm going to attempt to clone them in the next week. I want to get the ph under control but in the pictures they look over watered and they were heavy while they were being carried so I don't want to flush again til they dry up.That would explain the drooping and yellowing of the new growth. As you look at the pictures you can see the problems, what causes, and how to correct explained in the link I posted the other day.

Props to those guys for taking the time to put all that info in one spot!!! UFC is on and my wife is calling so I'll post the pic's later....

The sun is not out today so they will get to sleep. I took a bunch of pic's yesterday and I will post some of them. While you look at them you will see what I have been talking about with the help the website I listed can give with determining what is wrong.....

Here are some group pic's

Here are some that show some of my problems. One has purple stalks, another has boron dif, and all have shown signs of one type or another.

here are some pic's of the plants in general.... Notice the two special children? They are half the size as the rest and don't have near the shoots, but they are trying...

I found this cool little chart while looking around, maybe it will help?








Cannabis Nutrient And Deficiency Table





SYMPTOMSNPKCaSMgFeMnBMbZnCuOver Fert.Yellow Upper LeavesNoNoNoNoYesNoYesNoNoNoNoNoNoYellow Middle LeavesNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoYesNoNoNoYellow Lower LeavesYesYesYesNoNoYesNoNoNoNoNoNoNoRed StemsYesYesYesNoNoYesNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNecrosisNoNoYesNoNoYesNoYesYesNoNoYesNoSpotsNoNoNoNoNoNoNoYesNoNoNoNoNoGrowing Shoots DieNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoYesNoNoNoNoWhite Leaf TipsNoNoNoNoNoYesNoNoNoNoYesNoNoStunted GrowthYesYesNoYesNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoDeformed New GrowthNoYesNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoYellow TipsNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoYesTwisted GrowthNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoYesNoNoNoNo
NITROGEN (N)Pale plants, red stems, smaller growth. Rapid yellowing of lower leaves progressing up the plant. Add any chemical fertilizer containing N. Treated plants recover in about a week.

PHOSPHORUS (P)Slow or stunted growth, red stems. Smaller leaves that are dark green. Lower leaves yellow and die. Add chemical fertilizer containing P. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will apear normal.

POTASSIUM (K)Affected plants are usually tallest and appear to be most vigorous. Necrotic spots form on lower leaves. Red stems. Leaves appear pale or yellow. Add chemical fertilizer containing K.

CALCIUM (Ca)Lack of calcium in the soil results in the soil becoming too acid. This leads to Mg or Fe deficiency or very slow stunted growth. Treat by foliar feeding with one teaspoon of dolomatic lime per quart of water until condition improves.

SULFER (S)Plants suffering from S definciencies exhibit yellowing of new growth. Mix one tablespoon of Epsom salts per gallon of water until condition improves.

MAGNESIUM (Mg)Lower leaves yellow and may even turn white while veins remain dark green. Blades die and curl upward.

IRON (Fe)Leaves on growing shoots turn pale and veins remain dark green. pH imbalances make iron insoluble. Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing Fe or rusty water.

MANGANESE (Mn)Necrotic and yellow spots form on top leaves. Mn deficiency occurs when large amounts of Mg are present in the soil. Foliar feed with any chemical fertilizer containing Mn.

BORON (B)Growing shoots turn grey or die. Growing shoots appear burnt. Treat with one teaspoon of Boric acid (sold as eyewash) per gallon of water.

MOLYBDENUM (Mb)Yellowing of middle leaves. Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing Mb.

ZINC (Zn)White areas form at leaf tips and between veins. Occurs in alkaline soils. Zn deficiency can be treated by burying galvanized nails in the soil. Chemical fertilizer containing Zn can also be used.

OVER FERTILIZATIONCauses leaf tips to appear yellow or burnt. To correct soil should be flushed with three gallons of water per one gallon of soil.

The page didn't show the chart so I put up the link......


Cannabis Nutrient and Deficiency Table

It's snowing again outside so I'm going to leave the light on. No water again today, I broke up the first inch or so to let the moisture escape for all the plants last night and they still seem wet. I rotate the placement of the pots and rotate the plants at least once a day. The stems have gotten huskier and some of the yellow is greening on the two mutant plants. All of the plants had smaller than normal leaves that were very spindly. I found that one of the plants had started making normal looking leaves 3 days ago and today there are 4 plants that seem to have normal size leaves. They are still drooping and the new growth is still yellow and look small. I will ph water to 6 when I get ready to water, and no nutes this time....

I let them bask yesterday. No water again. I found that the yellow on most of the plants had started to green up so I had over watered them... I picked up the pots today and they were light and I had one plant starting to wilt. I accidentially bent the stem of that plant and have it proped up, that's the first clone sight I guess. The yellow on one plants new growth concerns me. The leaves are dark green, probably as a result of the nitrogen boost from the nutes last week. But the new growth is bright yellow..... It also has the purpleish red stems, but so do some of the others that look just fine so I don't know if that means anything or it's the plant.

I gave the plants equal parts from a gallon of water that was ph'd to 6. They continue to grow and look better every day. I will see how long it takes them to drink up this water and put them on a measured set schedule. I think they will get some sleep today as I kept them up all day yesterday trying to dry them out.

Any suggestions of what might be causing the yellowing?

The 2 mutant plants have greened up and taken off. I want to sex them so I can make a plan on what I'm going to do with them, but I can't leave the light off that long getting them that cold. I might get a heating pad to put under them, any thoughts?

If I get several males and only 1 or 2 females I might take the males and plant them in the wild just to see how they will react for future grows. I want to grow one female out doors, I could only imiagine how big these would bush out by september, october range

I plucked all the large yellow shade leaves near the bottem of the plants and most the damaged and mal formed leaves. Some of the new growth down low couldn't get the light it needed. I guess it's day by day....

Isn't there already nutrients in your soil?
they look nute burnt to me.
I dont grow soil, but could'nt you just use a plant food stick and regular water?

I don't know. I have never done this before so as I was scrambling to save the seeds that sprouted, I went to an indoor grow shop in town. Although the guy looked cool and seemed to know what was going on, I told him I was dealing with tomatoes (I'm sure he knew as I had done some reasearch and had some pointed questions but said nothing illegal). He gave me the list of soil and nutes and a schedule for feeding. It was the ph kit that fucked me all up. I should have just got the meter....

I plan on giving them water until they use up the nutes in the soil. I'll keep pic's posted so if you check in and see something going on and I'm missing it please speak up.

I don't know what a plant stick is?.....