Waterfarm Closet Grow [PICS]

Shackleford.R

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[QUOTE="SICC";2619757]Nice man, i like that reflector, i need to get some bigger CFL's[/QUOTE]

yeah that reflector was the greatest find ever! haha found at the local hydro/grow shop in the "used" equipment section. 14 dollars and 95 cents! it was even wired properly for a self ballasted light, just needed an extension cord!
 

Shackleford.R

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Day 7 of flower is drawing to a close (according to Laura) in about 2 hours and 45 minutes. So before that time, I needed to do a res change, check out the air stone, and look over the overall progress of lady Laura..

First things first, the res... Mixed up nutrients, FloraNova Bloom, Floralicious Bloom, Superthrive (we'll see how it goes), and the silica additive... She seems pretty strong and resistant to most stresses, so I figure the superthrive can't (if at all) bother her too much, plus I've heard growers that use it, and properly swear by it.. I only added a total of 4 drops, the recommended does for my res would have been 1/2 tsp but I don't want to push my luck just yet.

Topped off at 1280 ppm and 5.5 pH.. sound good?

Next I had to make the sure the bubble disk is still doing its thing, and sitting properly.. and for those curious this is what it does to the res...

Now that the roots have FINALLY made the stretch for the res these bubbles/air should have some pretty exciting results. Additionally I adjusted the main drip pump to only 3 times a day. Lights on, mid day, and just before lights off, 15 minutes each. Hoping to encourage the roots downward limiting the watering cycle this way.

Here is an overall shot of Laura as she stands now..

Pretty isn't she??

now for some various shots of tops and branches...
(pics are sort of left to right... haha ask any questions..)







That's all for now.. Time to eat some BBQ!!
:bigjoint:
 

GypsyBush

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Your pH should be 5.8 not 5.5... not 6.3... 5.8

And I sooo wish you had a 400 HPS over that girl...

You've got a lot of plant under those little lights...lol...

She looks GREAT Shack!!!:clap:
 

Shackleford.R

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GypsyBush said:
Your pH should be 5.8 not 5.5... not 6.3... 5.8
The pH in the waterfarm fluctuates UP like crazy.. never down, always up.. so i start around there in anticipation for the increase... then i balance back it out after a couple days

GyspyBush said:
And I sooo wish you had a 400 HPS over that girl...

You've got a lot of plant under those little lights...lol...
What would I expect to pay to get into that range?? That and the current fixture plus two 23W CFL gets the temp to around 82. What would that HPS do to my temps you suppose?

GypsyBush said:
She looks GREAT Shack!!!:clap:
Why thank you Gypsy!!! :bigjoint:
 

GypsyBush

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The pH in the waterfarm fluctuates UP like crazy.. never down, always up.. so i start around there in anticipation for the increase... then i balance back it out after a couple days
I hear you...

That is why bigger containers are better, much more stable...

What would I expect to pay to get into that range??
HTG has a ballast kit for $55

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=45693

The bulbs is $70 for this one.. there are cheaper and more expensive ones...

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=47266

And you already have a hood...

Or you could go digi... for $184 with bulb...

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=48943

but I would really really consider the cool tube option for an extra $50...

That and the current fixture plus two 23W CFL gets the temp to around 82.
You OBVIOUSLY do not have adequate ventilation...

What would that HPS do to my temps you suppose?
IF you set proper ventilation along with the light, it would lower your temps...

Any HID puts out considerable heat, you MUST have a way to get rid of the heat... but that is not mission impossible...

But to answer your question...

Just slapping a 400w in there with no other consideration to ventilation, will probably heat things up a bit..

With that said, I would not be surprised if there was no change... or very little...

HIDs are not the monsters people make them out to be..

And they give you DANK FUCKING NUGS... no airy, fluffy shit...



Why thank you Gypsy!!! :bigjoint:
You are welcome...

You have already come a long ways... I really hope you find your "recipe" soon, so you can just set it on auto pilot and have trouble free, plentiful harvests...
 

Shackleford.R

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honestly, other than lights... i am on autopilot. haha changing up nutes the tiniest bit (the superthrive was lying around) is just to keep myself interested in the process. i don't know when my next grow will be after this one. so i'm just kinda learning from all this, so that in the future (after legalization) i'll be an awesome commercial grower, haha kidding! but yeah autopilot for sure. i dont think i'm going to go HID because i dont want to modify ventilation, it works for me, it stays CONSTANT 82 during the day, and at night around 75... i'm happy personally. this is what i set out to do, and i'm in it for the long haul.

thanks for the help gypsy, HID is great, but its just not something i want to invest in right now. i've seen some dense harvests with CFL so i'm curious to see how my beastly CFL does.
 

GypsyBush

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Go with what you know bro...

I'm just pointing out that your g/w will go up considerably with an HPS...

I am not saying you can't do it with CFLs, I know you can because I have done it...

But it is a FACT that an HPS will give you better buds at a cheaper price per gram...

But you are doing awesome and I know you will have a kick ass harvest...

But I also know that if you stick to growing, you will end up with an HPS and wishing you had switched earlier...:lol:

But forget me dude... fucking gypsies...!!!:shock:

You are doing well:clap:

Cheers Bro...

:joint::peace:
 
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Prot3us1

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Shack, nice plant bro. Ive just switched to bloom nutes, and potash. Ill be putting up pics today if my cam cooperates. Ill take pics of all the interesting parts of trippy for ya. Shes got pubic hair man. :P only 2 white hairs per site! but its still bush.

Ill also be sure to get a good pic of her flat stem, her 2 leaf sub plant and her main 2 leaf standard plant lol..remember she fimed herself into 2 different plants! I didnt touch her with anything, she just decided she didnt know if she wanted to be triploid or normal, so shes both now lol.

Also my bagseed plant is looking bushy as. Check my journal man for the update!
 

usagiakui

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Shack, nice plant bro. Ive just switched to bloom nutes, and potash. Ill be putting up pics today if my cam cooperates. Ill take pics of all the interesting parts of trippy for ya. Shes got pubic hair man. :P only 2 white hairs per site! but its still bush.

Ill also be sure to get a good pic of her flat stem, her 2 leaf sub plant and her main 2 leaf standard plant lol..remember she fimed herself into 2 different plants! I didnt touch her with anything, she just decided she didnt know if she wanted to be triploid or normal, so shes both now lol.

Also my bagseed plant is looking bushy as. Check my journal man for the update!
Wow, I just spent a good two three hours reading over this thread and wow. I am impressed with what i've gotten out of the information provided so far. But yeah, its been three days already!! Update! I know a person who is getting a WF first thing tommorow cause of the confidence in this thread. Gypsy's a great contributor too!!! I love this thread.. again UPDATE!! :shock:
peace:joint:
 

Shackleford.R

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Wow, I just spent a good two three hours reading over this thread and wow. I am impressed with what i've gotten out of the information provided so far. But yeah, its been three days already!! Update! I know a person who is getting a WF first thing tommorow cause of the confidence in this thread. Gypsy's a great contributor too!!! I love this thread.. again UPDATE!! :shock:
peace:joint:
Thanks for the love and welcome to RIU!

Not much to update, just looks a little hairier.. having some trouble with lights though.. I added in some more CFL's which was helpful I can tell the area they cover appreciate it... the problem is by the time i wake up to check on them (been sleeping in late and lights start at 6 AM) some of the leaves have grown into the CFL and damaged/burned themselves. Lost a side shoot of one of the main branches to a damn light bulb! WHERE IS THE JUSTICE!!!

I'll probably be doing a photo update later this week... still looks pretty much the same, Laura is LOVING that bubble disk in her res!
 

usagiakui

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the love and welcome to RIU!

Not much to update, just looks a little hairier.. having some trouble with lights though.. I added in some more CFL's which was helpful I can tell the area they cover appreciate it... the problem is by the time i wake up to check on them (been sleeping in late and lights start at 6 AM) some of the leaves have grown into the CFL and damaged/burned themselves. Lost a side shoot of one of the main branches to a damn light bulb! WHERE IS THE JUSTICE!!!

I'll probably be doing a photo update later this week... still looks pretty much the same, Laura is LOVING that bubble disk in her res!

Hey everyone, I just joined and would love to know how to give +rep points....

Anyway, I just got back from my local hydroponics store and purchased a Waterfarm "complete kit"!(the one that comes with the hardware, air pump, hose, Hydroton clay pebbles and all three 8 oz nutrient bottles... Yeah, im excited).


*Pics coming soon*

I picked up these items to go along with it:

NGW Mylar roll 25ft
GH pH control kit
Hydrion Papers pH test roll dispenser
60-120 gallon dual port air pump (used for $6!!!)
4" disc air stone
NGW Ecolplus small round airstone
10' of 1/4" plastic tubing

*Pics coming soon*

I was wondering what to buy for an EC or PPM meter??? to measure those ppm levels... like a "dissolved solids" meter or nutrient meter..?? hmmm torn, torn. suggestions pls.

Now, what I already have setup right now is:

45"L x 22"W x 60"H of grow space (portion of closet)

Since this is my first time, I germinated 8 old seeds from some great "sinsemilla" (sometimes you'll find one or two in a large quantity... if you're experienced with final products and consuming mass amounts of the final products like I am you'll know that you will come across a seed in a dank BAG every once in a blue moon. anyway sry im high lol) batches that i've been throughout the past couple of years or so.. . I also get them from buddies, too. Always Dank shit.
Ok so they're good seeds. :-P
As soon as they were geminated, I planted them into 8 5" black nursery pots. I believe they're all about 2.5L each.

*Pics coming soon*

They sprouted and grew into beautiful babies really quickly and as of now they stand at a WHOPPING :shock:
4". Ha. But hey they grew to that size in a matter of 12 days or so. They love this organic soil, I tell ya!


Soil
BIOCANNA BIO Terra Plus (BIOCANNA :: The Bio Solution for growth and bloom ::)
Amendments - very little perlite

Nutrients
As of now, excluding the nutes that come with the WF kit, I have BIOCANNA BioVega.
I actually included a 1/4 strength dosage of this in my irragation water for the first time today! (We'll see how they do, i'll keep you posted.)

*Pics coming soon*

Lights
Hydrofarm System Comp Fluorescent 125W Daylight [FLCO125D]
(heres the direct hydrofarm link just in case you arent directly familiar with it: Hydrofarm - Hydrofarm FLCO125D System Comp Fluorescent 125W Day)

8 26w daylight 6100k CFL


For now, since I am using CFL's, i'm not really getting any heat issues at plant level whatsoever.. they love this light. I have the light 2-5 inches from the plants at all times, and I have the 26w twistys on dual sockets that I have mounted onto the Hydrofarm reflector itself so they are adjustable on two different joints it makes sense when you see it:mrgreen: (man my camera has water damage :wall:)

I also have a Hydrofarm Sunburst 250W HPS/MH Convertible [SBC250]
(Hydrofarm - Hydrofarm SBC250 Sunburst 250W HPS/MH Convertible)
just laying around waiting for flowering time. I know that with this model of reflector I have the capability of coverting to a MH during vegg, but i'd rather not deal with the heat issues for now considering the fact that it gets hotter than hell out here during the summer time (in the SW), of course. SOOooOO, throwing that all aside..

Climate
I have the temp at a constant 76F / RH 40-55% at plant level during the day...

At night, the temps drop to as low as 66F / RH 40%.

Plants like it, but im going hydro, yo..:weed:

I'm going to cull out the weakset links little by little over the course of this week. I will buy a camera before I decide to cull any at all and ask for opinions and suggestions based upon pics and whatnot. After that, I will rinse off soil and transplant to my WF that will already have pH'ed water running in it.....
airstones and all....

WELL, ACTUALLY I was wondering about that. I have heard different things about having the airstone in play during the early stages of vegg growth.. "Early stages" in this case would be classified as: before the roots directly come into contact with Res. water.
Now what's better, running the 4" disc airstone and all from the get-go OR running only the drip ring while the roots haven't reached the res... or does it even matter.
My guess would be it does really matter as in life or death for the plants, lols, but I would think more aeration and oxygen in the res water at any given point of growth is good. Especially considering that fact that when I was at the actual "hydro store" itself they had a display WF going with the same 4" disc airstone mod I got. He lifted the growing reservoir and all I saw was this whirlwind of bubbles in the solution. It actually increases "visible" circulation in reservoir ROOT MASS, too.
But hey, i'm just guessing.
Another thing about the number of plants per Waterfarm... How many plants do YOU reccomended for a ScrOG setup on on Waterfarm?

I wanna know how many I should cull out, or just pick ONE favorite.


I have been reading this forum amongst others for months and months on end. I carefully decided to pick out the forum I wanted to register for. (I dont want to be on every damn forum for parnoia sakes:spew:) I chose THIS forum because all of the "high rep, high contributing" peeps don't seem to be assholes and I enjoy that. :clap: So i'm hOping I can get some decent input and suggestions down the road.

I will keep you updated. I WILL BE POSTING STEP BY STEP PICS ASAP ( camera got wet, buying a new one sometime very very soon... maybe tommorow if i get the chance
BUT my memory card is drying out and by tomorrow I will have uploaded the pics I have already taken. Hence, "*Pics coming soon*")

So yeah, once again.... REP POINTS: HOW DO YOU GIVE EM?:hump:

Great thread by the way.. I'm glad I found it.:hump:
Thanks for reading! Hope I didn't bore you! Tried to keep it as simple is i could explain it. and im hi. lol
time to fill in my profile info..
bongsmilie[/QUOTE]
 

MrAlex

Well-Known Member
very stringly looking leaves....

awesome growth man.......

and yeah... I skimmed through the rest. Too many goddam post to keep up with.,,
 

Shackleford.R

Well-Known Member
Hey everyone, I just joined and would love to know how to give +rep points....

Anyway, I just got back from my local hydroponics store and purchased a Waterfarm "complete kit"!(the one that comes with the hardware, air pump, hose, Hydroton clay pebbles and all three 8 oz nutrient bottles... Yeah, im excited).


*Pics coming soon*

I picked up these items to go along with it:

NGW Mylar roll 25ft
GH pH control kit
Hydrion Papers pH test roll dispenser
60-120 gallon dual port air pump (used for $6!!!)
4" disc air stone
NGW Ecolplus small round airstone
10' of 1/4" plastic tubing

*Pics coming soon*

I was wondering what to buy for an EC or PPM meter??? to measure those ppm levels... like a "dissolved solids" meter or nutrient meter..?? hmmm torn, torn. suggestions pls.

Now, what I already have setup right now is:

45"L x 22"W x 60"H of grow space (portion of closet)

Since this is my first time, I germinated 8 old seeds from some great "sinsemilla" (sometimes you'll find one or two in a large quantity... if you're experienced with final products and consuming mass amounts of the final products like I am you'll know that you will come across a seed in a dank BAG every once in a blue moon. anyway sry im high lol) batches that i've been throughout the past couple of years or so.. . I also get them from buddies, too. Always Dank shit.
Ok so they're good seeds. :-P
As soon as they were geminated, I planted them into 8 5" black nursery pots. I believe they're all about 2.5L each.

*Pics coming soon*

They sprouted and grew into beautiful babies really quickly and as of now they stand at a WHOPPING :shock:
4". Ha. But hey they grew to that size in a matter of 12 days or so. They love this organic soil, I tell ya!


Soil
BIOCANNA BIO Terra Plus (BIOCANNA :: The Bio Solution for growth and bloom ::)
Amendments - very little perlite

Nutrients
As of now, excluding the nutes that come with the WF kit, I have BIOCANNA BioVega.
I actually included a 1/4 strength dosage of this in my irragation water for the first time today! (We'll see how they do, i'll keep you posted.)

*Pics coming soon*

Lights
Hydrofarm System Comp Fluorescent 125W Daylight [FLCO125D]
(heres the direct hydrofarm link just in case you arent directly familiar with it: Hydrofarm - Hydrofarm FLCO125D System Comp Fluorescent 125W Day)

8 26w daylight 6100k CFL


For now, since I am using CFL's, i'm not really getting any heat issues at plant level whatsoever.. they love this light. I have the light 2-5 inches from the plants at all times, and I have the 26w twistys on dual sockets that I have mounted onto the Hydrofarm reflector itself so they are adjustable on two different joints it makes sense when you see it:mrgreen: (man my camera has water damage :wall:)

I also have a Hydrofarm Sunburst 250W HPS/MH Convertible [SBC250]
(Hydrofarm - Hydrofarm SBC250 Sunburst 250W HPS/MH Convertible)
just laying around waiting for flowering time. I know that with this model of reflector I have the capability of coverting to a MH during vegg, but i'd rather not deal with the heat issues for now considering the fact that it gets hotter than hell out here during the summer time (in the SW), of course. SOOooOO, throwing that all aside..

Climate
I have the temp at a constant 76F / RH 40-55% at plant level during the day...

At night, the temps drop to as low as 66F / RH 40%.

Plants like it, but im going hydro, yo..:weed:

I'm going to cull out the weakset links little by little over the course of this week. I will buy a camera before I decide to cull any at all and ask for opinions and suggestions based upon pics and whatnot. After that, I will rinse off soil and transplant to my WF that will already have pH'ed water running in it.....
airstones and all....

WELL, ACTUALLY I was wondering about that. I have heard different things about having the airstone in play during the early stages of vegg growth.. "Early stages" in this case would be classified as: before the roots directly come into contact with Res. water.
Now what's better, running the 4" disc airstone and all from the get-go OR running only the drip ring while the roots haven't reached the res... or does it even matter.
My guess would be it does really matter as in life or death for the plants, lols, but I would think more aeration and oxygen in the res water at any given point of growth is good. Especially considering that fact that when I was at the actual "hydro store" itself they had a display WF going with the same 4" disc airstone mod I got. He lifted the growing reservoir and all I saw was this whirlwind of bubbles in the solution. It actually increases "visible" circulation in reservoir ROOT MASS, too.
But hey, i'm just guessing.
Another thing about the number of plants per Waterfarm... How many plants do YOU reccomended for a ScrOG setup on on Waterfarm?

I wanna know how many I should cull out, or just pick ONE favorite.


I have been reading this forum amongst others for months and months on end. I carefully decided to pick out the forum I wanted to register for. (I dont want to be on every damn forum for parnoia sakes:spew:) I chose THIS forum because all of the "high rep, high contributing" peeps don't seem to be assholes and I enjoy that. :clap: So i'm hOping I can get some decent input and suggestions down the road.

I will keep you updated. I WILL BE POSTING STEP BY STEP PICS ASAP ( camera got wet, buying a new one sometime very very soon... maybe tommorow if i get the chance
BUT my memory card is drying out and by tomorrow I will have uploaded the pics I have already taken. Hence, "*Pics coming soon*")

So yeah, once again.... REP POINTS: HOW DO YOU GIVE EM?:hump:

Great thread by the way.. I'm glad I found it.:hump:
Thanks for reading! Hope I didn't bore you! Tried to keep it as simple is i could explain it. and im hi. lol
time to fill in my profile info..
bongsmilie
[/QUOTE]

hey man i appreciate you wanting to learn.. but maybe you should start a grow journal of your own.. this is kinda my place for sharing all the info you shared.

haha with that said let me read and i'll get you some info
 
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Prot3us1

Guest
few pics are up now shack, lol cameras half cooperating. :) trippys oddities included.
 

Shackleford.R

Well-Known Member
sounds like you're off to a good start. i wouldn't do multiple plants in on waterfarm like i did though. i did it out of desperation and lack of preparedness. If you're going to take the grow seriously, which it sounds like you are. Get a second waterfarm, add the airstone NOW, it just becomes an annoyance later trying to find an extra bucket to stand your precious plants in while you do a res change and drill the hole in the main unit blah blah, do it now while its easy and there is no plant to get in the way. Once you have you airstones setup (the one disk per unit will do fine) have it running constantly, you can just forget about it... so long as its plugged in and working. (i drilled the hole for mine more or less even with the white level marker on the blue hose on the side.. you'll see it) honestly one plant per waterfarm... what i did was a pain in the ass, and just not the greatest idea in the world. two TOPS! if you really want to stretch your dollar, don't do more than two... because when you get a male, which you probably will... its roots are tangled up with your female, and uprooting the male means trashing your female.

thats all i got for now... your setup sounds pretty good, planned ahead for ventilation... when your start running the hotter 2700k bulbs you'll notice a bit of a spike in heat... ESPECIALLY! if you go HPS for flower, BE READY!! my closet is a good 5-7 degrees warmer during flower, mainly because i didnt plan for it.

thats all i got for now... happy fathers day everyone :weed:
 

usagiakui

Well-Known Member
sounds like you're off to a good start. i wouldn't do multiple plants in on waterfarm like i did though. i did it out of desperation and lack of preparedness. If you're going to take the grow seriously, which it sounds like you are. Get a second waterfarm, add the airstone NOW, it just becomes an annoyance later trying to find an extra bucket to stand your precious plants in while you do a res change and drill the hole in the main unit blah blah, do it now while its easy and there is no plant to get in the way. Once you have you airstones setup (the one disk per unit will do fine) have it running constantly, you can just forget about it... so long as its plugged in and working. (i drilled the hole for mine more or less even with the white level marker on the blue hose on the side.. you'll see it) honestly one plant per waterfarm... what i did was a pain in the ass, and just not the greatest idea in the world. two TOPS! if you really want to stretch your dollar, don't do more than two... because when you get a male, which you probably will... its roots are tangled up with your female, and uprooting the male means trashing your female.

thats all i got for now... your setup sounds pretty good, planned ahead for ventilation... when your start running the hotter 2700k bulbs you'll notice a bit of a spike in heat... ESPECIALLY! if you go HPS for flower, BE READY!! my closet is a good 5-7 degrees warmer during flower, mainly because i didnt plan for it.

thats all i got for now... happy fathers day everyone :weed:
Hey man, thanks for replying again.. As soon as I posted I realized I should have started a grow journal thread instead lol... here we go: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/205727-waterfarm-closet-grow-first-grow-cfls-250w-hps.html

see ya!8)
 

Shackleford.R

Well-Known Member
Not much to share... Laura seems to be enjoy the dark, richness that is FloraNova.. here's some pics! More hairs everyday!













that's all for now.. here's hoping for some more growth soon!!
 
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