Water reservoir not staying clean

volcomspin2002

Active Member
Hi, guys I have a few plants (bagseed) that are two weeks along and I am using a bubbler set-up with wicks. I am having an issue with my water, it has brown specks floating throughout it which makes me think I shouldn't wait another week before I change my reservoir. I'm wondering if it will hurt my plants or if I can wait it out another week. I am usuing fox farm hydro nutes, and I do PH balance everything. Any advice would be useful. I'll get some pics up soon. Thanks!
 

Earl

Well-Known Member
I use one of those small fish nets from walmart
to scoop off any floaters.

If the pH is stable,
then I would wait to change out the rez.

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Earl

Well-Known Member
If you are using RO then you should be able to get the pH stable.

If you are using tap water,
Then these are the rules for tapwater,
or water over 50ppm and/or initial pH of near 8.

After you add nutes to your water,
the pH should be close to 5.6.

If your water is very hard, over 200ppm,
then you will need to add pH down
(Phosphoric acid, or Sulphuric acid)
to achieve 5.6.

In a few hours,
as the buffers absorbs the acids,
the pH will move up,
back to near the original pH of the water.

So, you will need to continue to add pH down,
at least twice a day,
to re-establish the pH back at 5.6

After doing this for a few days,
the pH will become stable for a few hours,
maybe even for a day or so,
and then the pH will fall below 5.6 without adding any pH down.

When the pH falls without you adding pH down,
you have met the pH rule.

This is when it is time to change the nutes,
even if you have not met the Add Back Rule

For some nutes,
it is best if you always let the pH move from low to high,
and then you adjust it back down,
while other nutes will react in the opposite way,
depending on whether the mfg decided to buffer the formula or not.

Try to never allow the pH lower than 5.2 or higher than 6.2,
ideally you will maintain 5.6,
but in reality you will probably drift between 5.2 and 6.0

The time that this sequence takes will vary with the plant size,
the amount of water the plant is consuming/transpiring,
and the concentrtation of the nute solution (ppm/nute load).

If you are growing with tapwater,
the pH rule is the best method to determine when to change the nutes.
It can be as long as 10 days, and as short as 4 days.

If you must use tapwater,
It is highly recommended to use a Hard Water nutrient.

Your rez volume, the phase of your grow, and the type of nutes you have
will determine how often you need to adjust the pH.

Your job is to maintain the pH,
and change out the nutes at the appropriate time.


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volcomspin2002

Active Member
Thanks earl... the only thing is I can't get my PH stable at all.... I have fox farm hydro nutes, but I am using tap so I'll try RO tomorrow... The way it sounds it should stay pretty PH stable once I adjust it right? thanks again
 

potroast

Uses the Rollitup profile
Outstanding stuff, Earl. Thanks for that! :blsmoke:

I haven't used Fox Farm nutes, but I have used quite a few others, all with city tap water. When I mix a new batch, I first add some pH Down to bring the pH to about 6.5, and then add the nutes and supplements. I might need to add a little more Down to get to 5.6, and I let it go. The next day is the only adjustment, and a small one. From what I understand, the alkalinity of the tap water is what works with the buffers to help stabilize the pH.

The hydro growers I've seen that use RO water will mix in some tap water just to help stabilize their pH.

And yeah, plants don't care about stuff floating in their soup, in fact, they kinda like it.

HTH :mrgreen:
 

groprofosho

Well-Known Member
try using canna products. ive found amazing improvements in quality from previous systems. Very easy to use, and it contains a buffering agent so the PH is much more stable. Once I adjust the PH, it only requires attention every 48 hours or so. This of course depends on your resevoir system, but in mine, each plant gets about 10 gallons of water. I agree that the chunks help. they help to buffer and absorb salts, the same way a dirt system would.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
I grow almost exclusively aero setup which are similar to your bubbler except with faster growth.I use All fox farm nutes in my grows the 3 bottle sof grow big,tiger bloom and the big bloom and love them. I dont reccomend ro watre as it seems to always cause issues. As long as your water isnt real hard and has a ppm of 200 or under to start your fine. I use straight tap water every grow.I add my nutes according to the fox farm feeding chart and then adjust my ph to 5.5.I then double checl my ppm level and if its good it ready to go. In small res setups the ppm and ph will change more . I usually dont have much ph change day to day maybe .2 if any at the most. My ph stays close to 5.5 for the entire week. In my large res systems of 50 gallons or more I use a complete res change only every 2 weeks and in the smaller setups I change it completely weekly. I use sunday as my new week and on sunday new water nutes and fresh water.The aero is a little different as you use an inline filter or filter bag to filter the larger unneeded particals from the res before they go into the pump but with bubblers you dont have a pump and should be fine with some larger floaters. I also reccomend adding groteck H202 to your res to prevent any alage or growth in the res or on the roots and it excelerates the growth and root mass.Keep res water temps under 68 degrees 65 is perfect.Above that 68 you run an algae or bacteria issue on the roots.
 

bigd921

Well-Known Member
i have hard tap water, I am trying sodium free distilled water the ph is at 6.5 out of the bottle I adjust it down to 5.8 I dont have a ppm meter yet so I am not sure about that, does this sound ok filthy??
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
I dont even mess with ro or bottled water really no reason to as the difference isnt too much unless your house has like over 200 ppm water.Add your nutes first then adjust the ph. My tap water is around 7 ph from the tap I add my fox farm nutes and h2o2 and then check my ppms and then add it to my res.I find my water will stay stable for few days then as the watre levels change I might go up to 6.2 so I top off and bring it back down. I never reall have much ph flux just the usual few points from water usage.Your gonna need the ppm/tds meter to grow hydro as the ppm and ph are the 2 biggies fro hydro.aero grows.I like my hydro water at 5.5 no higher then 5.8 if at all possible.Res water temps at 65 degrees F so they hit the roots at 70 degrees F.Big get that ppm/tds meter
 

bigd921

Well-Known Member
can you give me a link of a good place to grab one or is ebay ok, I just started a new bubler 3 plant set up
 

bigd921

Well-Known Member
and I am in the SW US so the water here is horrible with tap my ph stayed all over the place I have had the bubler going for about a day now... just getting it started and so far I havent had to adjust the ph again using the distilled water
 
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