Want to change the government?

Folks talk to your state legislators about holding an Ammendments convention, the citizens have the power to change the government but we must unite in the cause and propose amendments that include imposing a 12-year limit on serving in Congress,
returning the election of U.S. senators to state legislatures,
requiring Congress to balance the budget and limiting federal spending to 17.5 percent of GDP,
limiting federal taxation to 15 percent of an individual's or a corporation's earnings,
empowering a special congressional committee to veto regulations issued by federal bureaucracies,
prohibiting Congress from compelling anyone to participate in commerce (such as forcing them to buy health insurance),
requiring Congress to publish the final text of any proposed legislation at least 30 days before holding a final vote on it,
and requiring individuals to present a state-issued photo ID that establishes their identity and citizenship before they are allowed to
register or vote.
We can restore our constitution to its rightful and intended course as engineered by the framers,the citizens of the U.S. still have a way out,this is the way to bypass congress and get things done but it is up to the public to do so,this is important because we know what congress dose and we see the direction our nation is headed,we do have the power to change it.It will take some time to undo the damage that has been wrought upon our Rights as citizens as well as the governments way of business as usual but only if we the people unite, it can be done.

Before anyone decides to throw any stones here,,seriously consider your way of life and where it is going also take a good look at our dysfunctional government,you want it to change right? Please also consider that if you have nothing of value to add to the topic of this thread I ask that you refrain from any unecessary discourse and move on,,

I appreciate your thoughts on changing things, but disagree that the constitution should be restored. The constitution presumes authority over everybody in a given geographical area right? How does anybody opt out of this form of controlling measure (extrapolated from the purpose of the constitution) where other people can provide your consent for you, even against your will?

How does the constitutional form of government differ from other more obvious forms of totalitarian governments, since your actual consent is required by neither?

The Constitution of the United States presumes public authority over the government.We for the first time in the history of civilization have a framework for a society that can actualy keep the powers that be, in check through the constitution created by the forfathers.It is for the maintainance of the seperation of powers and the decentralization of Government,that is the difference Rob.The biggest problem we face is that we have had far to many people in office that have actualy made it possible for those seperated powers to consolidate into the big Government we are starting to see today.By restoring the Constitution we can reclaim this public authority.

I support term limits as well, but 12 years is a long time imo.

Dislexicmidget2021 said:

The Constitution of the United States presumes public authority over the government.We for the first time in the history of civilization have a framework for a society that can actualy keep the powers that be, in check through the constitution created by the forfathers.It is for the maintainance of the seperation of powers and the decentralization of Government,that is the difference Rob.The biggest problem we face is that we have had far to many people in office that have actualy made it possible for those seperated powers to consolidate into the big Government we are starting to see today.By restoring the Constitution we can reclaim this public authority.

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I appreciate your effort, so please don't take my criticism of the constitution personally. I am very much a proponent of individual liberty and peace.

Does the government presume authority over everybody, even peaceful people that want to be left alone? How did they get this authority over every individual if no individual alive today consented to this authority? How is that authority maintained?

Rob Roy said:

I appreciate your effort, so please don't take my criticism of the constitution personally. I am very much a proponent of individual liberty and peace.

Does the government presume authority over everybody, even peaceful people that want to be left alone? How did they get this authority over every individual if no individual alive today consented to this authority? How is that authority maintained?

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What protects you when you want to be left alone?

NLXSK1 said:

What protects you when you want to be left alone?

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If a government proposes that it has complete dominion over everybody and will arbitrarily use force to ensure that, it couldn't be them now could it? Their very existence is based on the assumption that you have no peaceful autonomy.

Okay, what protects a person that wants to be left alone by government? Let me clarify that my wanting to be left alone, is a statement of wanting to be left alone by a coercive government, not alone as in no associations with other peaceful people. What would protect a person in a voluntary society could be any number of things. They could protect themselves from an aggressive person. If they were unable to protect themself, they could hire somebody or seek assistance from another. How are you protected?

Government doesn't need a change as much as it needs a massive layoff.

NoDrama said:

Government doesn't need a change as much as it needs a massive layoff.

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Like mold, it is best not to remove only some of it or it might grow back.

Rob Roy said:

I appreciate your effort, so please don't take my criticism of the constitution personally. I am very much a proponent of individual liberty and peace.

Does the government presume authority over everybody, even peaceful people that want to be left alone? How did they get this authority over every individual if no individual alive today consented to this authority? How is that authority maintained?

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You present a very good question Rob.Im sure you know that the U.S. government in this day and age dose presume authority over everyone living within its borders,even peaceful natives and illegal immigrants,whether it be lawful or not,they dont care if you consent or not to their authority,they simply assume it, especially if there is an interest involved.The real kicker is that we have a runaway federal government that wants to exploit its position that has been left unchecked for well over a century,why do we even need a Federaly ran branch of government?,its a dinosaur that has somehow avoided extinction and needs to be put to rest.It dosent matter to the Federal government if anyone consents to their authority or not, they take that authority existentialy as their prerogative,which is part of why it is so important that the citizens of the U.S.A. become more aware of what is happening in our government and what the constitution grants us to do about it.I see it more and more each week that goes by,the President as well as the governing body of this nation are disregarding the constitution little by little as they cherry pick which laws to follow to further their agendas and that is very dangerous to our freedoms as Americans.I believe that the Citizens can speak with a loud enough voice to put things back into their proper order,but only if we come together as a people.

Dislexicmidget2021 said:

You present a very good question Rob.Im sure you know that the U.S. government in this day and age dose presume authority over everyone living within its borders,even peaceful natives and illegal immigrants,whether it be lawful or not,they dont care if you consent or not to their authority,they simply assume it, especially if there is an interest involved.The real kicker is that we have a runaway federal government that wants to exploit its position that has been left unchecked for well over a century,why do we even need a Federaly ran branch of government?,its a dinosaur that has somehow avoided extinction and needs to be put to rest.It dosent matter to the Federal government if anyone consents to their authority or not, they take that authority existentialy as their prerogative,which is part of why it is so important that the citizens of the U.S.A. become more aware of what is happening in our government and what the constitution grants us to do about it.I see it more and more each week that goes by,the President as well as the governing body of this nation are disregarding the constitution little by little as they cherry pick which laws to follow to further their agendas and that is a very dangerous to our freedoms as Americans.I believe that the Citizens can speak with a loud enough voice to put things back into their proper order,but only if we come together as a people.

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I'm totally sick of the goverment telling my uncle he cannot dam the river that runs thru his property

ChesusRice said:

I'm totally sick of the goverment telling my uncle he cannot dam the river that runs thru his property

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He didn't build that river so what does he expect?

I think most people know to contact their representatives is the first step to change.

echelon1k1 said:

He didn't build that river so what does he expect?

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The people down stream of him didnt either
He owns all the land on both banks of the river all the way to the head waters. SO fuck everyone else down stream. Not his fault they bought land below his. If they want water after he dams up the river they can buy it from him

ChesusRice said:

The people down stream of him didnt either
He owns all the land on both banks of the river all the way to the head waters. SO fuck everyone else down stream. Not his fault they bought land below his. If they want water after he dams up the river they can buy it from him

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In the beginning I am thinking you are talking about a little brook/stream for your uncle to use for irrigation. So I am like uhuh, uhuh, uhuh.. wait river wat?

Damnit, I had cousin in the next made up relative anecdote. Who do I owe? who had uncle?

ginwilly said:

Damnit, I had cousin in the next made up relative anecdote. Who do I owe? who had uncle?

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Sounds like an Auntie matter.

Rob Roy said:

I appreciate your effort, so please don't take my criticism of the constitution personally. I am very much a proponent of individual liberty and peace.

Does the government presume authority over everybody, even peaceful people that want to be left alone? How did they get this authority over every individual if no individual alive today consented to this authority? How is that authority maintained?

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Well, authority is granted to police as "enforcers." As far as you sitting peacefully, to be detained you must be placed under arrest. Your attorney can sue the government for almost anything and the judges maintain the proper protocol authority is maintained through precedent.

burgertime2010 said:

Well, authority is granted to police as "enforcers." As far as you sitting peacefully, to be detained you must be placed under arrest. Your attorney can sue the government for almost anything and the judges maintain the proper protocol authority is maintained through precedent.

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I disagree. The bailiwick, ambit, purview of the police is 1) to solve crimes and 2) to apprehend criminal suspects.
The expansion of police into a security force is a fairly recent phenomenon and one toward which I cast a distinctly jaundiced eye.

We the people should express our disgust and dissent with the police styling themselves Your Total Security Solution™. They are and remain civilians. My opinion.

burgertime2010 said:

Well, authority is granted to police as "enforcers." As far as you sitting peacefully, to be detained you must be placed under arrest. Your attorney can sue the government for almost anything and the judges maintain the proper protocol authority is maintained through precedent.

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When police enforce statutory laws that deny a person peaceful ownership of their own body, are the police providing a "service" or are they denying a person freedom?


Self granted authority by one arm of a coercive government to another arm of it, is essentially like the master saying, "hey nasty overseer, go whip the slaves because they need a whipping". Attorneys are part of the protected parasite class. Judges wear funny costumes and are largely egotistical beings that require much homage.