The discussion of the lights is in the other thread, and the only amendment to it is it appears to me that the t-5 and led's give you good yields but take longer to do it. For 'closet/ wardrobe etc. growers that have some money and four feet of width that have problems with venting they are ideal. The number of plants you can put under it is dependant on the size of the pots you use and the size of the table. I'm running more than 30 with my table and pot size. I will be shooting for just 30, 4/sgft is a little hard to work with across 4' long tables. Using the mixed spectrum, 4 red/4 blue you can start with only 1/2 of the fixture turned on, saving 220watts of power and still putting 20,000 lumens right on top of your plants, less heat issues. Their low profile, takes about 6" of height for the light and pulley system I use, allows for an extra foot of height for 'short' grow areas. I even provided pictures, and thought I was doing the right thing when I posted it, I put it in Grow Room Design not Journals, link is in my signature, first 15 pages should do it, enjoy.
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I was thinking that in my hut I could put my 600watter at the top, then get banks of t5s and put them on the wall. I wish I could draw a pic but it is quite simple. Then there would be light EVERYWHERE!!
This does not make sense to me, you would be better served with an air-cooled 1000 watt forget the rest. You would need the same aircooling for the 600 and you would be adding 55watts/per t-5 bulb to you energy consumption. I don't see the payback in that exchange, mylar on the walls would give you better results, maybe your situatuion is different?? VV
TEAR IT DOWN. U KNOW DIRTBAG GETS RESTLESS WHEN HE'S NOT CALLED ON, "IN CLASS"! ALL THIS TALK OF LIGHT HAS GOT ME WORKDED UP.!!! I DO AGREE MORE LIGHT IS BETTER, BUT ITS THE COOLING SYSTEM'S" NEEDED, ALONG WITH SPACE TO CONTROL IT!
Well....It all started with a plan. The end of the plan was to be able to afford to run 1000watt lights. The Michigan Medical Marijuana Bill has that (12) 'maturing plant' limit thing/ patient, 5 patient limit/ caregiver, and you are allowed to re-coup your costs. I read Al B's journal, he said he had 4' by 4' tables, he and I had some pm's about lighting. I noticed his 'special batwing reflector' and read the post about making your own reflector. The way it stood he was covering 4' by 8' with each 1000watt light and harvesting about 2# a month. This did not make sense to me, I did believe he knew what he was doing, he would have to in order to cover that large of an area with one light and get that kind of production, and not having some of the experience I have now, I thought that reflector must really be something, turns out it is by the way. So I built 4' long tables that were just 32" wide, all I could afford to buy 3 of was the 400watt hps and I planned to upgrade as I could afford to. If I had realized the right size was closer to 3' square, I would have done the upgrade to (2) 1000 watt lights and I would have built the tables that size instead of the 32" by 48" that I had to build because no one makes that size. Al recently installed cool tubes for his lights, he pushes the air thru a closed 4" system, checked inflow and outflow temps, the fan he is using is like around 200 cfm and I think its just an axial fan, not real expensive. I am sure he has it installed with as free of an airflow as he can have in his space, and he already had most things 'dialed in', he has the two of them 'chained' in just the one system. All of that would fit my flowering space much better than what I have now. And all I have to do is built (4) 3' by 3' tables, hang (2) 1000 watt air-cooled lights with special 'batwing reflectors', piece of cake. and it would give me room to put in a sink with a drain, I would really like that. The difference in power consumption is about 400 watts total from what I have now, not a big number, and depending on flowering time and yeild may be cheaper?? 
db Im a licensed plumber, when I come up to visit Ill be glad to get that going for you!!!And would love to have the sink in there!, that is in the works here, if i cant ever get the dam body back...
the only auto ive heard of so far is the lowrider! ??? Hmmm! Does the caligirl clone??? Wonder if she has same issue! ???
vv rep this man. I will call u in a couple days to talk about it!
Well...I mean i has so many hairs on it, it looks like it is flowering, don't know if it will show in these pictures or not. I let you know for sure depending on how this bach of clones does. If I have to get rid of all the 'flowering material' in order to revert them nack to vegging then I will know. And DBB is right, welcome back. VV
less than a month ago i had a sputnik 2.0 that started flowering on me with 18/6 lighting... the mom and clone both started at same time, while every other plant (about a dozen others) remained vegging right along... weirdest thing because i don't think sputnik is supposed to do that... i'll have to ask subcool sometime...
Here are some pictures of the right plant to show, this is the one I took the clones from. I pretty much took the tops off. This is what the mother looks like, less than a week after clones were taken. A close-up of a top, is that pre-flowering? VV
