VV is singing the blues. From seed to Perpetual Weed.

Thanks V, i'll ask earl, I had a bluelab trimeter... The replacement probes cost 200 bucks, the whole unit is 300... Keep them clean and hopefully they'll last more than 2 years.

Oh, don't know if you knew this, but the blulab cleaner is excellent for getting the nute stains off your measuring devices, like a graduated cylinder, or a syringe.

I'm glad to read your mother is doing well.

Are you planning on coming down to get that male PC?

My pH meter is like yours
and uses a replaceable probe with a bnc connector


I highly recommend either this PinPoint(american made)
or the Milwaukee Sm101,
as they both have very high resolution of .01,
and the replacement probes are about $50-60 on ebay.

A new Milwaukee Sm101 is about $80 delivered,
the Pinpoint is slightly higher.

I would get one of these,
before I paid $60 for a used probe.

Just a reminder, never never never put your pH robe into RO,
and always calibrate at two set points of 4.01 and 7.0
.

Thanks Earl, I'm going to buy a new one before I have to replace it again, I ended up paying 50 bucks. He said it was new, just out of the box.

I couldn't wait, risk stressing the plants on a critical transplant.

I may come down mid November, not to get a plant, just the pollen. I think mhm has some breeding experience? I still have the Juicy Fruit Pollen and ,,hmmm what else did I save pollen from.. maybe hempwarp.
I have the GrapePurple Cindy and Big Girl, 4 of each, in veg now. I will clone them my way, take clones and send the originals on. This is a logistic decision, I don't have the extra room for another group of mothers right now. The widow cindys have it all taken up right now. We took 27 clones off 7 plants last Friday, those will go into flowering in a week and then we will know how many are really mothers a few weeks later. The other 22 clones are known females so we can keep production going while we sex the WC's, and in the meantime our 6 Juicy Fruit Mothers are developing nicely, and the 6 NorthernBerry mothers have already recovered from their last donation.
The Michigan Medical Marijuana ballot initiative is still over 50% approval in all of the polls, it looks like it will pass, we will need everyone to vote, and your State is on one of the lists to be targeted next for MMJ. WhinnyWalter and company have helped us more than they hurt us, talking out their ass, all of the major newspapers have endorsed the proposal. Last week our spokesperson, Diane Byrum, asked the opposition leader, Judge Bill Schutte, if he ever smoked marijuana, he admitted he had, then got mad when she pointed out it didn't seem to have ruined his life. I know folks that say he was a big stoner back in the day. I hope the fry the sob. VV

I'm still hopeful that the Supreme Court will rule that the DEA has no buisness busting medicinal users.

I have almost no breeding experience, my Silver Mango is my first cross, but I've read a lot of material on the topic.

V- you say you take clones then send the mother to flower?

I try to keep the "seed" mother as long as possible to take clones from, and put my clones into flower. I heard that the stability lowers as does the quality from clone to clone... Like the movie "Multiplicity" with Michael Keaton.

I don't know how true this is, but I don't want to risk having inferior genetics. Ever heard anything like this?

I've gotten many strains from clone, and grew them for a couple years, clone to clone, and didn't have a notifiable difference in the production or quality.

Until this batch of widow cindys, I had always done it the other way, I didn't have a mother table until recently. The first time I took a large number of clones was when I took 40 of plants that had been flowering for 8 weeks, you see some changes, two generations of clones later you will get back to what you want. In this case it a matter of space. If I take clones from the originals and send the originals into flowering, I will have small clones. By the time the clones are ready to veg for a week or two I will know their sex and by the time they are ready to contribute clones I will have a good idea of what they are going to finish like. What it amounts to is an experiment not a table full.
I have repeated Al's message that developing mothers is the key to setting up a perpetual harvest, and I have that going now with the northern berrys. The ones I am taking clones off now are third generation and I have their replacments in vegging now. The next cutting I will take enough to fill a table and replace those mothers.
In this case I don't want them for mothers, I have 20 mothers without them and all but 6 of those I already know the sex of, I won't know about those other 6 until the clones I took from them a week show sex, 3 or 4 weeks from now. VV

Oh, I forgot you were doing the whole perpetual thing.

I pull down a harvest, and have clones ready for the next grow, setup for bloom, veg a little and bloom again. Not perpetual, but I veg a little from clone in the bloom room.

MrHowardMarks said:

Oh, I forgot you were doing the whole perpetual thing.

I pull down a harvest, and have clones ready for the next grow, setup for bloom, veg a little and bloom again. Not perpetual, but I veg a little from clone in the bloom room.

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I am not sure I understand. You intend to take enough clones for four table under 600 watt lights, harvest and start again? So you are going the route dirtbagbrain was, fewer larger plants with veg time of 6 to 14 weeks depending on plants development. It doesn't matter to me if you harvest a few every two weeks or all of them every 8 weeks, its still perpetual. VV

Umm... I don't think you get it... I have a seperate room for mothers and clones. As soon as I harvest everything, I put the clones into the flowering room.

Don't know what dirtbag does.

MrHowardMarks said:

Umm... I don't think you get it... I have a seperate room for mothers and clones. As soon as I harvest everything, I put the clones into the flowering room.

Don't know what dirtbag does.

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dirtbagbrain???hahaha,funny.

raiderman said:

dirtbagbrain???hahaha,funny.

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yes he was, he and I came up with that name in pm's.
I do understand, I don't have seperate rooms, I use Panda plastic to seperate mine. Dirtbag brian uses 2 1000watt lights for his grow, one vertical with 3 plants around it in his flowering area. He is limited in the number of plants he can grow using his medical card, so he grows big plants, takes clones off them just before moving them to flowering. By the time he harvest the three monsters the clones are ready to go into flowering. He pulls a pound+ and he does it in a wheelchair. he signed in as B. thc+r&d. He and a large group, the little bus group, tlb, decided to leave rollitup over rule changes, seems their pm's were being read. I always thought they had the right to 'look' at them, and I don't have the time to re-establish all of the information I know is here.
The difference in the 2 ways is the space required. In order to have clones to replace all of your tables at once you have to have your flowering space twice + room for mothers. Since I only replace one table of plants at a time, and put my clones into flowering at the time they will be transplanted there are in rockwool block in the clone mother area and take maybe 2 sqft for 40 or so. The end result can be similar, brain proves that. I think of it like this, you have one plant with 6-9 good cola branches, I have 6-9 branches as individual plants. I can put 34 plants on my 3' by3' tables, trim of the lower branches, brain calls it 'limbing' and get the same kind of yield total from the same watts of lights. VV

Yeah, I couldn't care less if Chiceh FDD or potroast read my pm's.

That sucks they left, I do see him around from time to time. If they're upset about pm's being read, why don't they communicate via email?

I do what brian does, take cutting before flowering, by the time flowerings done, the clones are ready to flower.

It's not often that I spend the whole fricking day reading 52 pages of posts - but I made an exception for this one. Vic, I only wish I could rep you a dozen times. I think your success with the LED's is not to be taken lightly ...so I ordered three of the 50w panels from HTG Supply. They are not the exact same one you use but I figure they will do the same thing and they cost a little less and have a little more wattage. We'll see how it goes. Actually I just thought they looked so cool, like a black light on the plants, that I just had to justify it.

BTW, I was planning on moving this spring but things didn't work out so I missed my window for an outdoor grow. I had planned on starting my next grow the first of February BUT after reading your post here, I started today. I took out 20 beans of Maui Waui to germ, pH'ed some water and soaked my RW cubes and put the beans on the warming pad. I also got out my lights and other stuff to make sure I have everything ready. I'm pumped!

WB potpimp, things are finally improving with these new strain, the Blue Berry is finicky and doesn't seem to fit the system, I still hae a few of them around, Northern berry is the main strain now, the juicy fruit could replace it, and so far I have 18 female widowcindys from seeds that Earl gave me, around 42" tall, 4 weeks in flowering, We are taking bigger clones and pretty much putting them in flowering at two weeks. DonnieOsmand had some maui wowie, never did get to try it. VV

How are the WC smelling ?

with their noses??

what does nose smoke like ?

lmfao won't know that for at least four more weeks. VV

Just in time for thanksgiving.

Now thats a thought....VV