VV is singing the blues. From seed to Perpetual Weed.

PlasmaRadio said:

Yo VV.

I'm designing my next build and I want to go t5 for flowering. But I am having undue stress about it. Can I really pull it off or should I just use the good old HPSs?

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If you have the space and an air cooled hps, you can do as well with it as you can the t-5. If you don't have the space and you don't have an aircooled light you can do better with the t-5's. Getting the basics right is what is important.

The nice thing about that 'light lift', if you are moving it, and you let go of the cord, it will stop right there, it has a lock that will stop it from crashing. The drawback is you have to provide the balance front to back. I couldn't find the pulleys for less than this setup cost. Installation was simple. The second one I did by myself, postie helped with the first one. I just took a 2x4 and mounted the stationary pulley, screw thru that into the ceiling joists and threaded the line thru all 5 pulleys necessary, done. VV

So, you are saying they are on par with a cooled hps? That was one of main concerns.

PlasmaRadio said:

So, you are saying they are on par with a cooled hps? That was one of main concerns.

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Yes, that is what I am saying. I do want to start putting some qualifiers up. Huh? The widow group I had actually finished close to 14 weeks, beautiful crop, average over 1 1/2 zips per plant under a 4'-8 bulb t-5. Skunkkushy and I agreed plants genetics determine finishing time, makes sense to me. I have seen some comments alluding to the 'longer flowering period' necessary with t-5, led's. I had a conversation with a hydroshop owner that bought some led's, used them himself, and gave a couple to some friends to use. All of them were familiar with what they were growing and all of them got the same results. Better than average yields, it took longer!!!! Period.
Thye blue varieties I have now are supposed to finish in about 8 weeks, they are at ten weeks right now and just finishing. BUT, the tall trees were under a 400watt hps, and they are just finishing too and so is the HempWarp that is 2 weeks younger and that was grown under the t-5's???This jury is still out, the qualifier is people that have more experience than I are saying it DOES take longer under t-5's and led's, total yield over time is the same.
This would seem to ?? change a plants genetics?? VV

A lot of factors affect the finish time,
but of course genetics is the biggest.

Light is one.

The amount of light,
and the spectrum,
will determine whether you grow
rock hard nuggs, or fluffy leafy buds.

The blue sprectrum will give you more leaf, and less calyx.

The red spectrum will give you more calyx, and less leaf.

In many varieties,
the trichy leaves
are very good smoke.

For most varieties,
we prefer to smoke the calyx,
because the leaf is slow to cure..

I change spectrum,
depending on the stageof growth,
and the variety.

I veg under both red and blue
for fast growth and leafy healthy plants,

I use Hps only,
during the first 5-6 week of flower.
I do not count the first two weeks of 12/12

Then I add additional light spectrum
from MH and CFL


I guess you can get red T5s?

I use a 50/50 mixture of red and blue. VV

So you think the hempwarp is gonna be done soon?

How long did it take to flower?

Did you get any clones from it?

Earl said:

So you think the hempwarp is gonna be done soon?

The Hempwarp harvest will be starting tomorrow and the harvest from the six males I put somewhere is ready to be done too.

How long did it take to flower?
Started flowering on 4/20, so 9 weeks.

Did you get any clones from it?

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Yes, remember we took fifty clones from the hempwarp when we put them in flowering. 20 of those would have been male. I think I still have 3 hempwarp in vegging and I will be taking clones from them as soon as I can get to it. I had a leaking table I had to fix and as long as I had it out I worked on all of them and moved them around some. Today Postie and I built a table for the 3' sq. flood table I am using for mothers and vegging plants. I included a bottom shelf for the res to sit on. Bought some waterbed casters, they work great on heavy item, better than anything else I have used, you can move them both directions, back and forth and side to side, supposed to support 500#, make sense to me. Only have one more to build and that will be more of a stand for the two aero cloners I built.
At that point we ready to start a production line. 44 clones or seeds at a time, mothers under 400 watt hps ( hey I already had it ), (4) 4'-8 tube t-5's for flowering and the new Procyon 100 watt led for clones should be here in the next two weeks.
Bought a dehumidifier today, the combination air conditioner/ dehumidifier doesn't seem capable of doing the job necessary by itself, I would not recommend them for a grow area. Its amazing how humid it can get in a room with six reservoirs and a couple plants. VV

Very nice vic.

Do you think you have a good pheno of the time warp?

Can you tell yet,
if there are any difference in the flowering plants,
or, are they pretty much the same smell and size?

Do you know which flowering plant is the mother,
to the clones that are vegging?

Sorry to bombard you with questions,
but if you have some clones,
I might want to work out a way
to run some in the space shuttle,
maybe at the same time your running yours,
then we could compare some,
after the finish.

I am going to do the nute challenge in jan
in DWC and Hempy Buckets,
so I will have the Space shuttle free to launch anytime.

It's in the hanger for now,
but I could have it ready to go in a short time.

Want to run a

" Clones Hydro Nutrient Challenge",

just you and me?

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One of the HempWarp is among the tall trees, the others are all a little under a meter. We took at least 4 clones from every one of them. The height of most of them fits the sog style of growing very well. All of them are marked as to which plant they came from except for the stoner that may have moved the tray around 180 degrees.
They only count I am sure of right now is the BlueBerry, I know I have two of them in flowering and one to develop as a mother, that is one of the things I will try and accomplish this week, finding out where we actually stand with the four varieties we have going. I probably have more second generation HempWarp, should be about 15 to 20 of them total and only three are in the mother vegging area. They do seem to have more 'abnormalities' then the blue varieties, it does not seem to slow them down, it just shows up. Even those two that had the 'leaf disease' or whatever it was, seem to recover and continue growing. The one that grew tall will not have the yield of the shorter plants. so number 11 will be weened out.
I am up for the trip, timing is not real good right now. I would have already made it if the table hadn't started leaking. I have 25 plants to harvest, and a table to build before the 1st of July. On the second I will be taking my mom in for some surgery on her eyes (shes 85) and we have been told she will need to make sure sunlight does not hit her skin anywhere for five days after that so I will be staying there to help her out. Looks like the middle of July?? Which could work out just about right if I get everything done I need to do before I go, we should have clones that will be just about two weeks and ready for transplant. I am going to use the same rooters you showed in your journal so all I should have to do is stick them in some water for transporting??
Competition?? You have as many watts of lights on the space shuttle as I have in my entire grow room, you would mop me up. How long have you been growing, total?
I did save a couple of cookies and a J of the apple juice for ya......uhhh...so far I have them saved anyway. Middle of July....hmmm.....I may not be able to wait that long. VV

Hey Vv, U Got Yur Ears On.??? Earl U Heard From The V' All Ok??? Call Coming If No Response.!!! ???? Db.

...I'm still trying to get my stuff organized. Think I am making some progress, still a long way to go. This is how thing stand right now.
I got the clones stand all finished each side will hold 22 plants, has its own pump and air stone, took a couple of cutting to test it out. So what is the secret of 13 seconds in the dip and grow? Decided which ones to keep as mothers, and moved the rest to table 1. I included pictures of tables 2,3 and 4, just to let everyone know I have been doing something. And just to make sure I'm not slackin' I germinated these Juicy Fruit seeds Sunday and planted them this morning.........just before 5:00am, the reason is, its a secret. VV

hey vv what strains are you running? if this is easily obtained from reading, just smack me upside the head.

reminders are ok once n a while. I have three blue varities, BlueBerry, SkunkBerry, and NorthernBerry. In addition I have HempWarp, across between a HempStar and a Texada Time Warp supplied by Earl, some MediBud supplied by Hazy Eyes and now have the JuicyFruit seeds in the cloner.VV

Nice To Read Yur Busy...! Hope The 4th Was A Good One.!!!
I Just Got Blue Berry Aswell, She's About 3-4 Inch's Just A Bb'.

??? The 13 Sec. Mostly A Karma Thing. The Box Says Like 3-4 Sec. And The Old Teacher Told Us About 17-20 Sec. I Started Down Away From The 20 Sec. And Found That 13 Was Nice. But It Is More That The Box Says.???

If I Ever Get Some Time I Will Try The Instructions, For The Hell Of It.!!!

Sooooooooooo!!! Hope All Is Well And Was Just Checking In, Making Sure The Bt. Is Ok.!!! Db.~tlb!

Ya know if you can put that word in your strain title it just sounds.. well ..juicy. Put these in the cloner yesterday. Three of them are up like this today.
I had a good 4th, ate a half a cookie, smoked up some HempWarp, is a nice tasting smoke and thats before fully curing and reviewed some dirt bags thread about cloning. Hope the 'karma' is right, thats what I did. Some obvious differences, that guy uses flood and drain, I am using sprinkler spray heads and air stones. He uses a heat mat, I use a tank heater. He uses rockwool cubes and aquarium rock in 6" net pots, I am using Rapid Rooters and 2" net pots. I'd say they are identical, what do you think?? VV

Looking Good Mister. Karma Will Allways Win.!!! So Everything Is The Same But Diffrent. Lol! Do You Feel This Is To The Plus Of The Othier Way U Were Doing It.???

Did A Monster Clone Of Ak47 And The Widow, Double My Reg. Size.!!! Very Nice And Well Its Double The Size.!!! Of Its Neighbors. I Want To Start A New J' For These See, That I Finaly Got Some New Blood... Witch Brings Me To Yur Blue Berry, Been Hearing She's A Bit Of A Bitch To Run...your Thoughts On Here And Some Of Her Porn, Would Be Killer, So I Can Start My Game Plan On Her!!! Db.~tlb!

I have been told that the BlueBerry does not need the amount of nutes other dtrains do, which will not fit my operation, all of them will have to be on the same nute regiment. Only two of them made it to flowering and the one that turned yellow ealy never recovered. With your knowledge of the plants and the fact that you can feed them differently I am sure you will be able to do just fine with them. I did take 5 clones from the one clone I had of the BlueBerry, and will run them one more time. Took six clones off the MediBud Hazy Eyes sent and put the original in flowering, 10 off the SkunkBerry, 5 NorthernBerry and 10 HempWarp. And the JuicyFruit seeds from CAliGurl.
Postie wants to go back to the widows and as ordered some seeds, I think he ordered WhiteBerry based on E-Mails thread, and a couple of other mixed widow and some thing.
I had been thinking about making a AeroCloner for quite a while, the only thing I was hesitant about was the transplant for my flood and drain. I ran into this dbb and he transplants to soilless mix from a flood and drain cloner with a decent success ratio so I thought I would give this a try. Earl showed planting seeds right into his aero setup so I thought I would try that too. Wasn't sure about the seeds so I did Germinate them just to be sure. VV

decent success ratio "YA I LIKE 100%" LMFAO!!!" COMPANY COMING OVER THE LOCAL NETWORK I HAVE GOT TOGETHIER IS GETTING BIG.!!!
GRO SIDE.
BLUE BERRY
MONSTER HAG.
WHITE WIDOW...NOT RUNNING' DONT LIKE HER.!
BLACKBERRY WIDOW.
AK47
AND MORE COMING IN A WEEK ABOUT 4 MORE CLONE STRAIN'S MAN! "FLOOD GATES"

DB.

Told ya so. lmfao VV

The Othier Strains Coming Are,
Pinneapple Dog Shit.
Doa
Alaskan Thunderfuck
United "somthing// Its A #:"
Green Spirit???
And A Blue Rhino???

Dammmmm! Me Have Blood Now!!! Agreed Rofl! I Did Ask For This.!!! Weeee!

Db.~