Voting Against Prop 19 means :

The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of marijuana or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of marijuana plants.If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other potpatients. http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordovaballot/ these taxes brought to you buy prop19 and this is for everyone even prop215 people.this is why prop19 sucks there no limitations on the goverment capabilicies of every resteriction on the average joe.who the fuck want to get taxed to grow mj even if your not selling it. its bswe the people of ca. can only legalize mj once, then thats it.and prop 19 is the wores peace of legislative cap ive ever seen in my life.are people that desperate to smoke mj with government opproval.give me a fucking brake and get a life and build some fucking standers for fucks sake.</p>

mr2shim said:

I will give you a internet pat on the back. That's exactly how I feel. Maybe Prop 19 is the paving way to get marijuana legal across the US. You'll always have idiots shit on solutions for their own selfish reasons. It's really pathetic but it's part of life. They don't give a shit about Marijuana and why it should be legal, all they care about are themselves and how much money they are bringing in.

Click to expand...

You fail to see the point. The rich get rich and the poor get poorer.

its still a step forward in my mind, besides its only one states law, I say cooperate and make it go smoothly so other states fall in line and it becomes federally legalized, I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is a CAPITALIST country, the little guys going to get boned no matter what, it doesn't matter what fashion in which you implement legalization, capitalism will still show its face.



"You fail to see the point. The rich get rich and the poor get poorer." < so whats new?

Absolutely agree with the OP. Great post.

mistaphuck said:

its still a step forward in my mind, besides its only one states law, I say cooperate and make it go smoothly so other states fall in line and it becomes federally legalized, I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is a CAPITALIST country, the little guys going to get boned no matter what, it doesn't matter what fashion in which you implement legalization, capitalism will still show its face.



"You fail to see the point. The rich get rich and the poor get poorer." < so whats new?

Click to expand...

Mista, you live in a medical state, why would you want them to take rights away from you.

Signing of from sunny southern California, where it was eighty degrees today

Have a nice winter.

miteubhi? said:

Mista, you live in a medical state, why would you want them to take rights away from you.

Signing of from sunny southern California, where it was eighty degrees today

Have a nice winter.

Click to expand...

I live in a medical state with no dispensaries and a bs way of getting your card, I grow illegally, I'd sure like to grow legally, even if I had to pay. what rights would I be losing? the way I see it, I stand to lose more now than if it were legalized.



I rather enjoy our nine month winters..

miteubhi? said:

Mista, you live in a medical state, why would you want them to take rights away from you.

Signing of from sunny southern California, where it was eighty degrees today

Have a nice winter.

Click to expand...

Hey fool, here you go.

Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.

Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.

Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.

Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.

Prop. 19 makes it perfectly clear that the Initiative does NOT give municipalities any control over how medical marijuana patients obtain their medicine or how much they can possess and cultivate as the purpose of the legislation was to exempt the CUA and the MMP from local government reach. Whatever control municipalities have over patients and collectives is limited by the CUA and the MMP, not by Prop. 19.

Taken from wiki

According to the State of California analysis, the bill will have the following effects.[6]
[edit] Legalization of personal marijuana-related activities

Persons age 21 and older:

• May possess up to 1 ounce (28 g) of marijuana for personal consumption.
• May use marijuana in a non-public place such as a residence or a public establishment licensed for on site marijuana consumption.
• May grow marijuana at a private residence in a space of up to 25 square feet (2.3 m2) for personal use.

[edit] Local government regulation of commercial production and sale

• Local government may authorize the retail sale of up to 1 ounce of marijuana per transaction, and regulate the hours and location of the business.
• Local government may authorize larger amounts of marijuana for personal possession and cultivation, or for commercial cultivation, transportation, and sale.
• Allows for the transportation of marijuana from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county, without regard to local laws of intermediate localities to the contrary.

[edit] Imposition and collection of taxes and fees

• Allows the collection of taxes specifically to allow local governments to raise revenue or to offset any costs associated with marijuana regulation.

[edit] Authorization of criminal and civil penalties

• Maintains existing laws against selling drugs to a minor and driving under the influence.
• Maintains an employer's right to address consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance.
• Maintain existing laws against interstate or international transportation of marijuana.
• Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four or five years.
• Every person 21 years of age or over, who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to someone older than the age of 18 but younger than 21, shall be imprisoned in county jail for up to six months and fined up to $1,000 per offense.
• Any person who is licensed, permitted, or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone under the age of 14, shall be imprisoned in state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years

Looks like it adds a bit more responsibility to being a stoner. Adds rights to the stoner. Where does it take away any? There is no mention of 215 at all!

besides the name, were els in the props literature dose it say legal or legalization.It doesnt..all it take about is taxes and regulations.Becuase thats all it does. This bill was not made to leaglize mj the only reason it in the title is to get people exited.this bill is designed to sipmly charge people outrageous taxes to smoke and grow weed. WHY DO WE NEED GOVERNMET APPROVAL

needofweed said:

besides the name, were els in the props literature dose it say legal or legalization.it doesnt..all it take about is taxes and regulations.becuase thats all it does. This bill was not made to leaglize mj the only reason it in the title is to get people exited.this bill is designed to sipmly charge people outrageous taxes to smoke and grow weed. Why do we need governmet approval

Click to expand...

I'm pretty sure its so we don't have the chance of getting BUTTFUCKED IN PRISON

Needofweed said:

besides the name, were els in the props literature dose it say legal or legalization.It doesnt...

Click to expand...

It's not even in the title. It's called The Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010. Not the Legalize, and Regulate Weed bill...

BL0TT0 said:

Taken from wiki

According to the State of California analysis, the bill will have the following effects.[6]
[edit] Legalization of personal marijuana-related activities

Persons age 21 and older:

• May possess up to 1 ounce (28 g) of marijuana for personal consumption.
• May use marijuana in a non-public place such as a residence or a public establishment licensed for on site marijuana consumption.
• May grow marijuana at a private residence in a space of up to 25 square feet (2.3 m2) for personal use.

[edit] Local government regulation of commercial production and sale

• Local government may authorize the retail sale of up to 1 ounce of marijuana per transaction, and regulate the hours and location of the business.
• Local government may authorize larger amounts of marijuana for personal possession and cultivation, or for commercial cultivation, transportation, and sale.
• Allows for the transportation of marijuana from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county, without regard to local laws of intermediate localities to the contrary.

[edit] Imposition and collection of taxes and fees

• Allows the collection of taxes specifically to allow local governments to raise revenue or to offset any costs associated with marijuana regulation.

[edit] Authorization of criminal and civil penalties

• Maintains existing laws against selling drugs to a minor and driving under the influence.
• Maintains an employer's right to address consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance.
• Maintain existing laws against interstate or international transportation of marijuana.
• Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four or five years.
• Every person 21 years of age or over, who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to someone older than the age of 18 but younger than 21, shall be imprisoned in county jail for up to six months and fined up to $1,000 per offense.
• Any person who is licensed, permitted, or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone under the age of 14, shall be imprisoned in state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years

Looks like it adds a bit more responsibility to being a stoner. Adds rights to the stoner. Where does it take away any? There is no mention of 215 at all!

Click to expand...

Thats called legalization.

no it not it called taxation and regulation

Needofweed said:

no it not it called taxation and regulation

Click to expand...

No offense, but you edited your post but left the S's off your its?
A vital part of winning a "debate" and changing views and opinions is being articulate.
Just an observation, I'm not trying to be a dick.

Edit: Or a grammar nazi.

Needofweed said:

The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of marijuana or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of marijuana plants.If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other potpatients. http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordovaballot/ these taxes brought to you buy prop19 and this is for everyone even prop215 people.this is why prop19 sucks there no limitations on the goverment capabilicies of every resteriction on the average joe.who the fuck want to get taxed to grow mj even if your not selling it. its bswe the people of ca. can only legalize mj once, then thats it.and prop 19 is the wores peace of legislative cap ive ever seen in my life.are people that desperate to smoke mj with government opproval.give me a fucking brake and get a life and build some fucking standers for fucks sake.</p>

Click to expand...

Read it, where does it give a dollar amount for the taxation? Where did you get this 6000 dollars a year stuff?
http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/pdf/english/text-proposed-laws.pdf#prop19

mistaphuck said:

Read it, where does it give a dollar amount for the taxation? Where did you get this 6000 dollars a year stuff?
http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/pdf/english/text-proposed-laws.pdf#prop19

Click to expand...

mistaphuck, he is correct about the prices. For SACRAMENTO county ONLY.

You see, prop 19 allows counties to set there own taxes, so Sacramento county chose $600 annual tax per square foot.

So, who really cares? All you gotta do is move out of Sacramento county to a more reasonable county to grow. They will lose out for providing such a large tax increase.

underplay said:

mistaphuck, he is correct about the prices. For SACRAMENTO county ONLY.

You see, prop 19 allows counties to set there own taxes, so Sacramento county chose $600 annual tax per square foot.

So, who really cares? All you gotta do is move out of Sacramento county to a more reasonable county to grow. They will lose out for providing such a large tax increase.

Click to expand...

It's not even that. It's just in one city in Sacramento. And I doubt that will stand. In all probability that law is unconstitutional. The courts will have to decide.

Ah ok, thanks for the correction.

say you got about 5.5 million people in cali that smoke weed...OKnow say each person smoke 2 grams a day.OK2x5.5million=11 million grams adayOKnow 11million X one year (365)=4.015 billion grams a year.OKnow divided that buy one kilo(1000 grams)..4.015 billion\1000=4,015,000 kilos a yearOKbut right now a huge percent of someker are prop215 paitent wich grow and smoke there own weed for cheap.but if 19 passes it will be cheaper for them to buy it due to outrages taxes on non profit growers and that floods the market with huge demand wich will raise prices to posibly never befor seen prices.this leaves a huge market for illegal sellers and yes even cartells wich will still grow illegal taxe free cheap weed.it will take an huge amount of square feet,electricity,wate,nutriens,and man power to provide for this demand and weed prices will drop maybe 20-60 dollors an oz. at the most.

miteubhi? said:

You fail to see the point. The rich get rich and the poor get poorer.

Click to expand...

No. It's the people who prepared getting what they deserved and the people who instead just sat around and bitched about it getting the shaft. Fighting against prop 19 is essentially just fighting for the rights of the lazy and blaming other people for being informed and motivated.

Prop 19 isn't a surprise. You've all had time to step your game up.