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bassman999

bassman999

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jigfresh said:
It's just a little fan I bought way back. Pulls a lot of air through it. I don't know what I did with all my other fans, so I had to rig this up. It's all high tech with paperclips keeping it from shaking itself off the net pot. It's loud for being so little, but I don't hear it over the big fan or the waterfall.

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I love the high tech mounting!

Actually I might do something similar.
Mine are 12 volt, but I have some bigger ones that take 24-96 DC volts (big range) and are monsters at 24v already lol.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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jigfresh said:
Good ideas fellas. I think this is one reason big plants on top might be better, they are hungrier. Not much I can do about it now... not sure. I'm not really worried about the clawing so much as the yellowing. Do you think the plant with a little yellow will be alright, or should i try to do something special for it. All my weight is going to come from the bottom level so I'm concentrating on them.

And yeah... it is tight. Really hope this all works out.
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Forgive my ignorance, what kind of chelators are you using? A little liquid karma could help if you're not using something similar.
 
jigfresh

jigfresh

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Bro, i got's no idea what a chelator is. I use Dutch Master nutes, DM Zone, and a little cal-mag. I know one thing though... I'm broke as a joke right now (says the guy going to another continent tomorrow). I've been wanting to buy a fan and a bottle of silica for my gals, but money is tight.

What's up with chelators?
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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They just increase the bioavailability of nutrients. They turn a postive charged ion into a negative (and therefore useful to a plant). They can help with pH imbalance and nutrient deficiencies and differences between plants as well IMO. Plus they just help in general with overall plant health.

Humic/Fulvic acid. Organic chelators are the most effective. I'm not big into organic/inorganic debate, but organic chelators are different from inorganic and more effective (proven).
 
bassman999

bassman999

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jigfresh said:
Bro, i got's no idea what a chelator is. I use Dutch Master nutes, DM Zone, and a little cal-mag. I know one thing though... I'm broke as a joke right now (says the guy going to another continent tomorrow). I've been wanting to buy a fan and a bottle of silica for my gals, but money is tight.

What's up with chelators?
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IDK either, but here is Wikis' definition on chelation:
[h=1]Chelation[/h] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Metal-EDTA chelate


This article is about the chemical concept. For structures in morphology consult articles on particular Chelicerata. Also, see Chelicerae.
Chelation is the formation or presence of two or more separate coordinate bonds between a polydentate (multiple bonded) ligand and a single central atom.[SUP][1][/SUP] Usually these ligands are organic compounds, and are called chelants, chelators, chelating agents, or sequestering agents.
The ligand forms a chelate complex with the substrate. Chelate complexes are contrasted with coordination complexes composed of monodentate ligands, which form only one bond with the central atom.
Chelants, according to ASTM-A-380, are "chemicals that form soluble, complex molecules with certain metal ions, inactivating the ions so that they cannot normally react with other elements or ions to produce precipitates or scale."
The word chelation is derived from Greek χηλή, chelè, meaning claw; the ligands lie around the central atom like the claws of a lobster.[SUP][2][/SUP]
 
jigfresh

jigfresh

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OGEvilgenius said:
They just increase the bioavailability of nutrients. They turn a postive charged ion into a negative (and therefore useful to a plant). They can help with pH imbalance and nutrient deficiencies and differences between plants as well IMO. Plus they just help in general with overall plant health.

Humic/Fulvic acid. Organic chelators are the most effective. I'm not big into organic/inorganic debate, but organic chelators are different from inorganic and more effective (proven).
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Cool... thanks for the info. :)
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Bassman's info is bang on, it can go negative->positive or the other way around. Either way it's good business for your plants.

I'd foliar feed with your setup. They are most effective this way anyway. Plus you don't have to worry about algae, the downside of organic chelators is microlife LOVE TO EAT THEM. Not suited to all hydro setups unless diligent (you seem fairly diligent though).
 
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